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Postby Calladan » Fri Jul 21, 2017 10:17 am

I am from the most wonderful country in the known universe, The United Kingdom, or possibly Great Britain. (I have lived here all my life, and to be honest, I still don't know what the difference is. I do know that in about six years, neither of them will include Scotland and that it's possible The Republic of Ireland might reunite with Northern Ireland, but that's a whole other matter).

There are a lot of parties in Northern Ireland I am not sure about, because they only stand in Northern Ireland, so I've never had the chance to vote for them, or a reason to investigate their policies. The only reason I know about two of them are because they appear in the news A LOT.

The DUP (Democratic Unionist Party, I think?) : Currently providing Maggie May with a majority, for the very cheap cost of £150,000 each. Some people call it a bribe, others call it a bargain. They appear to be a party stuck in the 80s. (Possibly the 1680s). Not big on women's rights, not big on gay rights, not big on any rights on than The Ten Commandments, as far as I can tell.

Sinn Fein (Ourselves Alone) : Former political wing of The IRA (not a nice group of people, known for killing people, blowing things up and generally doing mean things to a lot of people) and now more responsible and in government at Stormont in Northern Ireland. Or they were until recently when it all went a bit catawumpus after some massive scandal that I really didn't understand (and honestly didn't care that much about). There is supposed to be a new power sharing agreement in place, or at least being discussed, but now that Maggie May is in bed with Arlene Phillips (metaphorically speaking - you remember my comment about gay rights?) there is some suspicion that any sort of agreement is going to be hard to come by because there is a definition feeling The Westminster government can no longer be neutral when negotiating or mediating between Sinn Fein and The DUP.

Over in Scotland there is the usual crop of parties (which I will come to shortly) but the primary party is The SNP.

The Scottish National Party : Primarily known for advocating Scottish independence from the rest of the UK, they also have some other policies but (much like the parties in Northern Ireland) The SNP don't stand for seats south of the border, so I've never had much reason to investigate them. Two years ago they swept the board in the election, wiping out all opposition in Scotland. However in the most recent election, they lost ground because they were still advocating independence, and apparently fewer people wanted to listen now. They are still the dominant force in Scottish politics, but that might change if they continue to focus on their one policy stance.

Down in Wales there is another primary party Plaid Cymru, along with the other parties.

Plaid Cymru : A party that stands only in Welsh seats, and because of this I know nothing about it. Literally couldn't tell you a thing. So I won't even ramble on about it.

And so that leads us on to the more generic parties that cover most of the UK mainland, going from right to left (so to speak)

The National Front : A more or less defunct party that I am pretty sure doesn't exist. From what I understand, they are literally a neo-Nazi front and not a very nice group of people. Some would say they are nicer than The IRA (the terrorist group I mentioned before) but I guess it depends on your perspective, because this "party" was apparently responsible for any number of hate crimes in the late 60s and early 70s.

The BNP : What The National Front became when they realised people didn't actually like neo-Nazis. They pretended to be the nice, gentler face of racism and hate, but they were, in fact, just as bad, just as nasty and just as racist. They never really got anywhere and are now more or less out of business as a party.

UKIP (United Kingdom Independence Party) : Founded as a protest party to get The UK out of The EU, they managed to achieved the first part of their goal on the 23rd of June, 2016. However that proved to be their undoing, because since then they have pretty much lost all support and haven't had any success since. However this could also have something to do with the fact they are an incredibly racist, hate filled party. While there is no actual proof that The BNP turned into UKIP, the fact that political support for The BNP was waning and vanishing at the very same time that political support for UKIP was rising cannot simply be coincidence, and the fact that most of their policies are almost identical makes it even less of a coincidence. Their entire manifesto seems dedicated to making Britain a Muslim free country by torturing mentally torturing them until they give up and move out of the country. They are nothing short of a hate group pretending to be civilised human beings.

Conservative (aka Tory) : The least objectionable of the right wing parties, which given how objectionable they are is saying something about the rest. While they are not out and out racist like the rest, they do tend to create policies that are directed to wiping out the poorest and neediest in society, while rewarding the richest 1%. They generally oppose public services, public property and public anything. Ever since the early 80s, when Thatcher ruled the roost, there has been a continued policy to wipe out any publicly owned service, to wipe out or privatise the NHS, to wipe out the BBC and generally to such up to Rupert Murcoch. The Leveson Inquiry was a chance to make the press answerable for all of their corruption and the lies they wrote, but with a Conservative government in power, they simply caved and gave in to Murdoch and the rest of the press. And so it goes, for it was ever thus. Their current leader, Theresa "Maggie" May is a woman who was so confident in her support that - in order to deal with the other members of Parliament (from all the other parties) who had the temerity and impudence not to support her policies - she called an unnecessary election to increase a majority (which she already had) and not only did she lose the outright majority she had, she lost what was predicted to be a 150 to 200 seat majority less than five weeks before the election. Truly she is a goddess amongst mere mortals.

Liberal Democrats : Once a staunch part of the social liberal policies, they caved for a tiny whiff of power in 2010, and have now become a joke. Nick Clegg, who put himself forward as the champion of the underdog, went into coalition with David Cameron and forfeited every single one of his principles to do it. Besides going back on his major campaign pledge on tuition fees, he let his entire party go for a pretend referendum on a change in the electoral system which he was never going to win (and he probably knew it). He screwed over the entire liberal movement just so he could play at being Deputy Prime Minister while sucking David Cameron's cock for five years. However this story does have a happy ending, because five years after he betrayed the country, his party was ousted in the most humiliating electoral defeat for a good long while, and two years later he lost his seat. So, swings and roundabouts.

Labour : In the early eighties, they could not win an election because they were considered too socialist. Then, under Tony Blair, they rebranded themselves as New Labour, and took the country by storm, essentially because they drove to the middle of the road. Under their governorship, the gap between rich and poor narrowed more than ever before to the lowest level in recent history (and also, sadly, followed America into one of the most unholy wars in recent history). Then, due to some banks in America selling sub-prime mortgages, the entire world went into meltdown, and Labour were kicked out of office in 2010 to be replaced by the bastard coalition from hell. The Parliamentary Labour Party (PLP) tried to stick with the same policies that had lost them the previous election by electing DavEd Miliband, but five years later they got their ass kicked even harder. So the members of the Labour Party rebelled and put an actual left-wing member of the party in charge. The PLP, for reasons best known only to them decided this man (Mr Jeremy Corbyn) would never get them elected, so they launched a leadership challenge after the failed Brexit campaign. This backfired in a SPECTACULAR fashion because he got even more support. And in the next election, Labour was returned with far more seats, far more support and proof positive that Jeremy Corbyn was actually popular. However this has yet to convince The PLP that he should be leader, and there are still murmurs of getting rid of him.

Green : The hippies and tree huggers. Known mostly for environmental policies, they currently have one seat. Which given they are on the fringe of politics is impressive, and given it is one more seat than UKIP is quite funny.


That's it for the UK.

(Note - there is a chance this post might reflect my personal bias about some of the parties).
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Another American, so I don't suppose I need to rehash the subject.
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Postby States of Glory » Fri Jul 21, 2017 1:26 pm

Calladan wrote:-snip-

You forgot the best party of all: The Official Monster Raving Loony Party.
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Postby Liberated Territories » Fri Jul 21, 2017 2:29 pm

Big Jim P wrote:
Liberated Territories wrote:You have the Republicans and the Democrats. Both parties believe in expanding the power of the state over your lives. You cannot vote for anyone else, otherwise that is "wasting your vote," so you are forced to gulp down the same dogshit every four years.


Untrue! There is a HUGE difference between the two parties!

One doesn't use lube and the other doesn't give you a reach-around.


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Postby Major-Tom » Fri Jul 21, 2017 2:39 pm

Kvatchdom wrote:Social Democrats - Sosialidemokraatit, is basically our main left-wing party, and has been the ruling party 8/10 times in our history, and until recently has dropped immensely thanks to different stuff. They're a tad more conservative and nationalist than most social democrats in Europe, but they're still the main representation of left-wingers.

National Coalition- Kansallinen Kokoomus, is the main right-wing party and has historically always been that. Used to be a regular conservative right-wing party, but is nowadays socially liberal along with their almost laissez faire economics. No idea why regular people even vote for them anymore, they've fucked up the past 2 governments.

Centre-Keskusta, formerly the Rural party, was a centrist party that usually supported the SDP and went into coalition with them, and ran with a platform about protecting farmers, decentralization and the smaller population municipals having more power. Now is technically just a faction of National Coalition, does what they would do most of the time. The last 2 times we've had a Centre leading the government there's been corruption scandals, it's quite a meme.

Finns Party- Perussuomalaiset, is our nationalist party against the EU that, when in government, hasn't reduced immigration or been anti-EU. Lost half their support in two years and went from second biggest to 3rd smallest party.

Greens- Vihreät-De Gröna is a Green social liberal party. Only city peeps vote for them. They're inconsistent on economics and seem like a one-issue party, but is steadily rising to become one of the big parties in parliament.

Left Alliance- Vasemmistoliitto is an eco-socialist and democratic socialist party, that ruined their integrity in 2011 by going into coalition with right-wing parties to support them against the Finns party. Is a remnant of the People's Democratic something, a communist party that was the second largest party in Finland for a very long time, now just seems like it's for big city liberals with a platform that reduces union power. I don't understand this.


Swedish Peoples Party- Something in Swedish, is a socially liberal big tent party for swedish speakers. Allies with the right, but doesn't really do anything.

Christian Democrats- Kristillisdemokraatit, are social conservatives with around the same economic platform as SDP. Never done much either, has allied with both the left and right.


Why the huge losses for True FInns?

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Postby Tinhampton » Fri Jul 21, 2017 2:56 pm

States of Glory wrote:
Calladan wrote:-snip-

You forgot the best party of all: The Official Monster Raving Loony Party.

Please, do not worry. I did talk about the OMRLP in my rundown on Page 1.
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Postby Kvatchdom » Fri Jul 21, 2017 3:26 pm

Major-Tom wrote:
Kvatchdom wrote:Social Democrats - Sosialidemokraatit, is basically our main left-wing party, and has been the ruling party 8/10 times in our history, and until recently has dropped immensely thanks to different stuff. They're a tad more conservative and nationalist than most social democrats in Europe, but they're still the main representation of left-wingers.

National Coalition- Kansallinen Kokoomus, is the main right-wing party and has historically always been that. Used to be a regular conservative right-wing party, but is nowadays socially liberal along with their almost laissez faire economics. No idea why regular people even vote for them anymore, they've fucked up the past 2 governments.

Centre-Keskusta, formerly the Rural party, was a centrist party that usually supported the SDP and went into coalition with them, and ran with a platform about protecting farmers, decentralization and the smaller population municipals having more power. Now is technically just a faction of National Coalition, does what they would do most of the time. The last 2 times we've had a Centre leading the government there's been corruption scandals, it's quite a meme.

Finns Party- Perussuomalaiset, is our nationalist party against the EU that, when in government, hasn't reduced immigration or been anti-EU. Lost half their support in two years and went from second biggest to 3rd smallest party.

Greens- Vihreät-De Gröna is a Green social liberal party. Only city peeps vote for them. They're inconsistent on economics and seem like a one-issue party, but is steadily rising to become one of the big parties in parliament.

Left Alliance- Vasemmistoliitto is an eco-socialist and democratic socialist party, that ruined their integrity in 2011 by going into coalition with right-wing parties to support them against the Finns party. Is a remnant of the People's Democratic something, a communist party that was the second largest party in Finland for a very long time, now just seems like it's for big city liberals with a platform that reduces union power. I don't understand this.


Swedish Peoples Party- Something in Swedish, is a socially liberal big tent party for swedish speakers. Allies with the right, but doesn't really do anything.

Christian Democrats- Kristillisdemokraatit, are social conservatives with around the same economic platform as SDP. Never done much either, has allied with both the left and right.


Why the huge losses for True FInns?

They became the second largest party and immediately joined the Centre and National coalition in government, and followed their neoliberal privatization programs to the dot which ruined their mostly low-class worker support base. The party also split into two, one wanted to stay in govt and is still in it, the other took a complete 180 and is now ran by basically a fascist. The new leader wants Europe to put tanks in Greece to make them pay their debt.
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Postby Betoni » Fri Jul 21, 2017 3:45 pm

Kvatchdom wrote:Social Democrats - Sosialidemokraatit, is basically our main left-wing party, and has been the ruling party 8/10 times in our history, and until recently has dropped immensely thanks to different stuff. They're a tad more conservative and nationalist than most social democrats in Europe, but they're still the main representation of left-wingers.

National Coalition- Kansallinen Kokoomus, is the main right-wing party and has historically always been that. Used to be a regular conservative right-wing party, but is nowadays socially liberal along with their almost laissez faire economics. No idea why regular people even vote for them anymore, they've fucked up the past 2 governments.

Centre-Keskusta, formerly the Rural party, was a centrist party that usually supported the SDP and went into coalition with them, and ran with a platform about protecting farmers, decentralization and the smaller population municipals having more power. Now is technically just a faction of National Coalition, does what they would do most of the time. The last 2 times we've had a Centre leading the government there's been corruption scandals, it's quite a meme.

Finns Party- Perussuomalaiset, is our nationalist party against the EU that, when in government, hasn't reduced immigration or been anti-EU. Lost half their support in two years and went from second biggest to 3rd smallest party.

Greens- Vihreät-De Gröna is a Green social liberal party. Only city peeps vote for them. They're inconsistent on economics and seem like a one-issue party, but is steadily rising to become one of the big parties in parliament.

Left Alliance- Vasemmistoliitto is an eco-socialist and democratic socialist party, that ruined their integrity in 2011 by going into coalition with right-wing parties to support them against the Finns party. Is a remnant of the People's Democratic something, a communist party that was the second largest party in Finland for a very long time, now just seems like it's for big city liberals with a platform that reduces union power. I don't understand this.


Swedish Peoples Party- Something in Swedish, is a socially liberal big tent party for swedish speakers. Allies with the right, but doesn't really do anything.

Christian Democrats- Kristillisdemokraatit, are social conservatives with around the same economic platform as SDP. Never done much either, has allied with both the left and right.


Props for the descriptions but the economic policies of Kokoomus are nowhere near laissez faire and Keskusta is still the largest party in the government. So, not a faction of Kokoomus by any standard. And how does Vasemmistoliittos platform reduce union power?
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Postby Kvatchdom » Fri Jul 21, 2017 3:49 pm

Betoni wrote:
Kvatchdom wrote:Social Democrats - Sosialidemokraatit, is basically our main left-wing party, and has been the ruling party 8/10 times in our history, and until recently has dropped immensely thanks to different stuff. They're a tad more conservative and nationalist than most social democrats in Europe, but they're still the main representation of left-wingers.

National Coalition- Kansallinen Kokoomus, is the main right-wing party and has historically always been that. Used to be a regular conservative right-wing party, but is nowadays socially liberal along with their almost laissez faire economics. No idea why regular people even vote for them anymore, they've fucked up the past 2 governments.

Centre-Keskusta, formerly the Rural party, was a centrist party that usually supported the SDP and went into coalition with them, and ran with a platform about protecting farmers, decentralization and the smaller population municipals having more power. Now is technically just a faction of National Coalition, does what they would do most of the time. The last 2 times we've had a Centre leading the government there's been corruption scandals, it's quite a meme.

Finns Party- Perussuomalaiset, is our nationalist party against the EU that, when in government, hasn't reduced immigration or been anti-EU. Lost half their support in two years and went from second biggest to 3rd smallest party.

Greens- Vihreät-De Gröna is a Green social liberal party. Only city peeps vote for them. They're inconsistent on economics and seem like a one-issue party, but is steadily rising to become one of the big parties in parliament.

Left Alliance- Vasemmistoliitto is an eco-socialist and democratic socialist party, that ruined their integrity in 2011 by going into coalition with right-wing parties to support them against the Finns party. Is a remnant of the People's Democratic something, a communist party that was the second largest party in Finland for a very long time, now just seems like it's for big city liberals with a platform that reduces union power. I don't understand this.


Swedish Peoples Party- Something in Swedish, is a socially liberal big tent party for swedish speakers. Allies with the right, but doesn't really do anything.

Christian Democrats- Kristillisdemokraatit, are social conservatives with around the same economic platform as SDP. Never done much either, has allied with both the left and right.


Props for the descriptions but the economic policies of Kokoomus are nowhere near laissez faire and Keskusta is still the largest party in the government. So, not a faction of Kokoomus by any standard.

It's not far off by Finnish standards, and they indeed are. When a party falls in line almost perfectly with another, you know which one holds more power within the parliament. Sipilä's keskusta is as far from the party 20 years ago as you could go. They need to change their name.
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Postby Betoni » Fri Jul 21, 2017 3:52 pm

Kvatchdom wrote:
Betoni wrote:
Props for the descriptions but the economic policies of Kokoomus are nowhere near laissez faire and Keskusta is still the largest party in the government. So, not a faction of Kokoomus by any standard.

It's not far off by Finnish standards, and they indeed are. When a party falls in line almost perfectly with another, you know which one holds more power within the parliament. Sipilä's keskusta is as far from the party 20 years ago as you could go. They need to change their name.


Wouldn't that make Kokoomus a faction of Keskusta by sheer mathematics. I agree, Keskusta has been shifting right since Kiviniemi, but that makes them no more a faction of Kokoomus then it makes them less a faction of SDP.

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Postby Kvatchdom » Fri Jul 21, 2017 3:57 pm

Betoni wrote:
Kvatchdom wrote:It's not far off by Finnish standards, and they indeed are. When a party falls in line almost perfectly with another, you know which one holds more power within the parliament. Sipilä's keskusta is as far from the party 20 years ago as you could go. They need to change their name.


Wouldn't that make Kokoomus a faction of Keskusta by sheer mathematics. I agree, Keskusta has been shifting right since Kiviniemi, but that makes them no more a faction of Kokoomus then it makes them less a faction of SDP.

Eh, makes sense if you put it that way, but they've been shifting toward Kokoomus instead of Kokoomus shifting toward them. They used to ally with SDP more because economically, historically SDP is closer to the centre than Kokoomus, or even Keskusta now.
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Postby Petrolheadia » Mon Jul 24, 2017 5:46 am

Calladan wrote:I am from the most wonderful country in the known universe, The United Kingdom, or possibly Great Britain. (I have lived here all my life, and to be honest, I still don't know what the difference is. I do know that in about six years, neither of them will include Scotland and that it's possible The Republic of Ireland might reunite with Northern Ireland, but that's a whole other matter).
(Note - there is a chance this post might reflect my personal bias about some of the parties).

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Calladan wrote:(Note - there is a chance this post might reflect my personal bias about some of the parties).

Might?
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There are too many, most of them are idiots, but we have a wide variety, ranging from social democratic idiots to liberal idiots, to populist idiots and christian democratic idiots.

Oh, I almost forgot the ecological idiots.
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The Blaatschapen wrote:There are too many, most of them are idiots, but we have a wide variety, ranging from social democratic idiots to liberal idiots, to populist idiots and christian democratic idiots.

Oh, I almost forgot the ecological idiots.


You Dutch do have a fuckton of parties.

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Major-Tom wrote:
The Blaatschapen wrote:There are too many, most of them are idiots, but we have a wide variety, ranging from social democratic idiots to liberal idiots, to populist idiots and christian democratic idiots.

Oh, I almost forgot the ecological idiots.


You Dutch do have a fuckton of parties.


Fun fact, every of the aforementioned flavours has at least two different parties in parliament.
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Postby Calladan » Mon Jul 24, 2017 7:11 am

Petrolheadia wrote:
Calladan wrote:I am from the most wonderful country in the known universe, The United Kingdom, or possibly Great Britain. (I have lived here all my life, and to be honest, I still don't know what the difference is. I do know that in about six years, neither of them will include Scotland and that it's possible The Republic of Ireland might reunite with Northern Ireland, but that's a whole other matter).
(Note - there is a chance this post might reflect my personal bias about some of the parties).

Great Britain is the big eastern island, United Kingdom is everything ruled by the London government.

Calladan wrote:(Note - there is a chance this post might reflect my personal bias about some of the parties).

Might?


(grin) At least I put a disclaimer at the end :)
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Postby Major-Tom » Mon Jul 24, 2017 2:19 pm

The Blaatschapen wrote:
Major-Tom wrote:
You Dutch do have a fuckton of parties.


Fun fact, every of the aforementioned flavours has at least two different parties in parliament.


Horrifying.

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Postby Wine-loving Chimps » Mon Jul 24, 2017 2:47 pm

Here's a left-field country for you: my home is Luxembourg.

Government

Democratic Party: Current prime minister is from this party, though this is a relatively recent and unusual thing. Basically the country's equivalent of the UK liberal democrats. Very pro-gay rights at the moment, probably to do with their leader Xavier Bettel being a gay man himself. Economically quite centrist.

Luxembourg Socialist Worker's Party (LSAP): Basically the nation's equivalent of Labour. Constantly competing with the Democrats to be the junior parter.

Greens: What it says on the tin, really. Best mates for life at the moment with the Democrats.

Opposition

Christian Social People's Party (CSV): These guys were continuously in charge of Luxembourg between the 1970s to 2014. They are a very Tory-lite party, saying they want social conservatism but really being quite centrist all round. Ultimately their thing is power and pragmatism, so whatever suits the needs of the time is what they do. Former prime minister and current president of the EU commission, Jean-Claude Juncker, is from this party.

Alternative Democratic Reform Party (ADR): Started as a pension's party- now the nation's UKIP. Not that euroskepticsm is very popular in a founding member who's idea arguably this whole EU thing is.

The Left (Dei Lenk): Communists. Nothing more is needed.

Not in Parliament

Communist Party: The Communists in parliament were not left wing enough apparently

Pirates: Internet freedom fighters. Actually nice guys when out campaigning, but they don't win anything so there goes.
"At the point in time when bullets can pass through the interdimensional walls, when firepower takes up the entirety and eternity of space and time, all being stuck in a neverending life and death cycle as bullets recover and destroy their bodies in quick succession, no one able to think about anything but the sheer force of the bullets rapidly flying literally everywhere in the Materium, turning the Warp itself into nothing but a sea of semi-automatic weaponry, then there will be enough Dakka. Or atleast almost." - The Emperor.
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