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by Calladan » Fri Jul 21, 2017 10:17 am
by Shrillland » Fri Jul 21, 2017 11:22 am
by States of Glory » Fri Jul 21, 2017 1:26 pm
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by Liberated Territories » Fri Jul 21, 2017 2:29 pm
Big Jim P wrote:Liberated Territories wrote:You have the Republicans and the Democrats. Both parties believe in expanding the power of the state over your lives. You cannot vote for anyone else, otherwise that is "wasting your vote," so you are forced to gulp down the same dogshit every four years.
Untrue! There is a HUGE difference between the two parties!
One doesn't use lube and the other doesn't give you a reach-around.
by Major-Tom » Fri Jul 21, 2017 2:39 pm
Kvatchdom wrote:Social Democrats - Sosialidemokraatit, is basically our main left-wing party, and has been the ruling party 8/10 times in our history, and until recently has dropped immensely thanks to different stuff. They're a tad more conservative and nationalist than most social democrats in Europe, but they're still the main representation of left-wingers.
National Coalition- Kansallinen Kokoomus, is the main right-wing party and has historically always been that. Used to be a regular conservative right-wing party, but is nowadays socially liberal along with their almost laissez faire economics. No idea why regular people even vote for them anymore, they've fucked up the past 2 governments.
Centre-Keskusta, formerly the Rural party, was a centrist party that usually supported the SDP and went into coalition with them, and ran with a platform about protecting farmers, decentralization and the smaller population municipals having more power. Now is technically just a faction of National Coalition, does what they would do most of the time. The last 2 times we've had a Centre leading the government there's been corruption scandals, it's quite a meme.
Finns Party- Perussuomalaiset, is our nationalist party against the EU that, when in government, hasn't reduced immigration or been anti-EU. Lost half their support in two years and went from second biggest to 3rd smallest party.
Greens- Vihreät-De Gröna is a Green social liberal party. Only city peeps vote for them. They're inconsistent on economics and seem like a one-issue party, but is steadily rising to become one of the big parties in parliament.
Left Alliance- Vasemmistoliitto is an eco-socialist and democratic socialist party, that ruined their integrity in 2011 by going into coalition with right-wing parties to support them against the Finns party. Is a remnant of the People's Democratic something, a communist party that was the second largest party in Finland for a very long time, now just seems like it's for big city liberals with a platform that reduces union power. I don't understand this.
Swedish Peoples Party- Something in Swedish, is a socially liberal big tent party for swedish speakers. Allies with the right, but doesn't really do anything.
Christian Democrats- Kristillisdemokraatit, are social conservatives with around the same economic platform as SDP. Never done much either, has allied with both the left and right.
by Tinhampton » Fri Jul 21, 2017 2:56 pm
by Kvatchdom » Fri Jul 21, 2017 3:26 pm
Major-Tom wrote:Kvatchdom wrote:Social Democrats - Sosialidemokraatit, is basically our main left-wing party, and has been the ruling party 8/10 times in our history, and until recently has dropped immensely thanks to different stuff. They're a tad more conservative and nationalist than most social democrats in Europe, but they're still the main representation of left-wingers.
National Coalition- Kansallinen Kokoomus, is the main right-wing party and has historically always been that. Used to be a regular conservative right-wing party, but is nowadays socially liberal along with their almost laissez faire economics. No idea why regular people even vote for them anymore, they've fucked up the past 2 governments.
Centre-Keskusta, formerly the Rural party, was a centrist party that usually supported the SDP and went into coalition with them, and ran with a platform about protecting farmers, decentralization and the smaller population municipals having more power. Now is technically just a faction of National Coalition, does what they would do most of the time. The last 2 times we've had a Centre leading the government there's been corruption scandals, it's quite a meme.
Finns Party- Perussuomalaiset, is our nationalist party against the EU that, when in government, hasn't reduced immigration or been anti-EU. Lost half their support in two years and went from second biggest to 3rd smallest party.
Greens- Vihreät-De Gröna is a Green social liberal party. Only city peeps vote for them. They're inconsistent on economics and seem like a one-issue party, but is steadily rising to become one of the big parties in parliament.
Left Alliance- Vasemmistoliitto is an eco-socialist and democratic socialist party, that ruined their integrity in 2011 by going into coalition with right-wing parties to support them against the Finns party. Is a remnant of the People's Democratic something, a communist party that was the second largest party in Finland for a very long time, now just seems like it's for big city liberals with a platform that reduces union power. I don't understand this.
Swedish Peoples Party- Something in Swedish, is a socially liberal big tent party for swedish speakers. Allies with the right, but doesn't really do anything.
Christian Democrats- Kristillisdemokraatit, are social conservatives with around the same economic platform as SDP. Never done much either, has allied with both the left and right.
Why the huge losses for True FInns?
by Betoni » Fri Jul 21, 2017 3:45 pm
Kvatchdom wrote:Social Democrats - Sosialidemokraatit, is basically our main left-wing party, and has been the ruling party 8/10 times in our history, and until recently has dropped immensely thanks to different stuff. They're a tad more conservative and nationalist than most social democrats in Europe, but they're still the main representation of left-wingers.
National Coalition- Kansallinen Kokoomus, is the main right-wing party and has historically always been that. Used to be a regular conservative right-wing party, but is nowadays socially liberal along with their almost laissez faire economics. No idea why regular people even vote for them anymore, they've fucked up the past 2 governments.
Centre-Keskusta, formerly the Rural party, was a centrist party that usually supported the SDP and went into coalition with them, and ran with a platform about protecting farmers, decentralization and the smaller population municipals having more power. Now is technically just a faction of National Coalition, does what they would do most of the time. The last 2 times we've had a Centre leading the government there's been corruption scandals, it's quite a meme.
Finns Party- Perussuomalaiset, is our nationalist party against the EU that, when in government, hasn't reduced immigration or been anti-EU. Lost half their support in two years and went from second biggest to 3rd smallest party.
Greens- Vihreät-De Gröna is a Green social liberal party. Only city peeps vote for them. They're inconsistent on economics and seem like a one-issue party, but is steadily rising to become one of the big parties in parliament.
Left Alliance- Vasemmistoliitto is an eco-socialist and democratic socialist party, that ruined their integrity in 2011 by going into coalition with right-wing parties to support them against the Finns party. Is a remnant of the People's Democratic something, a communist party that was the second largest party in Finland for a very long time, now just seems like it's for big city liberals with a platform that reduces union power. I don't understand this.
Swedish Peoples Party- Something in Swedish, is a socially liberal big tent party for swedish speakers. Allies with the right, but doesn't really do anything.
Christian Democrats- Kristillisdemokraatit, are social conservatives with around the same economic platform as SDP. Never done much either, has allied with both the left and right.
by Kvatchdom » Fri Jul 21, 2017 3:49 pm
Betoni wrote:Kvatchdom wrote:Social Democrats - Sosialidemokraatit, is basically our main left-wing party, and has been the ruling party 8/10 times in our history, and until recently has dropped immensely thanks to different stuff. They're a tad more conservative and nationalist than most social democrats in Europe, but they're still the main representation of left-wingers.
National Coalition- Kansallinen Kokoomus, is the main right-wing party and has historically always been that. Used to be a regular conservative right-wing party, but is nowadays socially liberal along with their almost laissez faire economics. No idea why regular people even vote for them anymore, they've fucked up the past 2 governments.
Centre-Keskusta, formerly the Rural party, was a centrist party that usually supported the SDP and went into coalition with them, and ran with a platform about protecting farmers, decentralization and the smaller population municipals having more power. Now is technically just a faction of National Coalition, does what they would do most of the time. The last 2 times we've had a Centre leading the government there's been corruption scandals, it's quite a meme.
Finns Party- Perussuomalaiset, is our nationalist party against the EU that, when in government, hasn't reduced immigration or been anti-EU. Lost half their support in two years and went from second biggest to 3rd smallest party.
Greens- Vihreät-De Gröna is a Green social liberal party. Only city peeps vote for them. They're inconsistent on economics and seem like a one-issue party, but is steadily rising to become one of the big parties in parliament.
Left Alliance- Vasemmistoliitto is an eco-socialist and democratic socialist party, that ruined their integrity in 2011 by going into coalition with right-wing parties to support them against the Finns party. Is a remnant of the People's Democratic something, a communist party that was the second largest party in Finland for a very long time, now just seems like it's for big city liberals with a platform that reduces union power. I don't understand this.
Swedish Peoples Party- Something in Swedish, is a socially liberal big tent party for swedish speakers. Allies with the right, but doesn't really do anything.
Christian Democrats- Kristillisdemokraatit, are social conservatives with around the same economic platform as SDP. Never done much either, has allied with both the left and right.
Props for the descriptions but the economic policies of Kokoomus are nowhere near laissez faire and Keskusta is still the largest party in the government. So, not a faction of Kokoomus by any standard.
by Betoni » Fri Jul 21, 2017 3:52 pm
Kvatchdom wrote:Betoni wrote:
Props for the descriptions but the economic policies of Kokoomus are nowhere near laissez faire and Keskusta is still the largest party in the government. So, not a faction of Kokoomus by any standard.
It's not far off by Finnish standards, and they indeed are. When a party falls in line almost perfectly with another, you know which one holds more power within the parliament. Sipilä's keskusta is as far from the party 20 years ago as you could go. They need to change their name.
by Kvatchdom » Fri Jul 21, 2017 3:57 pm
Betoni wrote:Kvatchdom wrote:It's not far off by Finnish standards, and they indeed are. When a party falls in line almost perfectly with another, you know which one holds more power within the parliament. Sipilä's keskusta is as far from the party 20 years ago as you could go. They need to change their name.
Wouldn't that make Kokoomus a faction of Keskusta by sheer mathematics. I agree, Keskusta has been shifting right since Kiviniemi, but that makes them no more a faction of Kokoomus then it makes them less a faction of SDP.
by Petrolheadia » Mon Jul 24, 2017 5:46 am
Calladan wrote:I am from the most wonderful country in the known universe, The United Kingdom, or possibly Great Britain. (I have lived here all my life, and to be honest, I still don't know what the difference is. I do know that in about six years, neither of them will include Scotland and that it's possible The Republic of Ireland might reunite with Northern Ireland, but that's a whole other matter).
(Note - there is a chance this post might reflect my personal bias about some of the parties).
Calladan wrote:(Note - there is a chance this post might reflect my personal bias about some of the parties).
by The Blaatschapen » Mon Jul 24, 2017 6:20 am
by Major-Tom » Mon Jul 24, 2017 6:27 am
The Blaatschapen wrote:There are too many, most of them are idiots, but we have a wide variety, ranging from social democratic idiots to liberal idiots, to populist idiots and christian democratic idiots.
Oh, I almost forgot the ecological idiots.
by The Blaatschapen » Mon Jul 24, 2017 6:30 am
Major-Tom wrote:The Blaatschapen wrote:There are too many, most of them are idiots, but we have a wide variety, ranging from social democratic idiots to liberal idiots, to populist idiots and christian democratic idiots.
Oh, I almost forgot the ecological idiots.
You Dutch do have a fuckton of parties.
by Calladan » Mon Jul 24, 2017 7:11 am
Petrolheadia wrote:Calladan wrote:I am from the most wonderful country in the known universe, The United Kingdom, or possibly Great Britain. (I have lived here all my life, and to be honest, I still don't know what the difference is. I do know that in about six years, neither of them will include Scotland and that it's possible The Republic of Ireland might reunite with Northern Ireland, but that's a whole other matter).
(Note - there is a chance this post might reflect my personal bias about some of the parties).
Great Britain is the big eastern island, United Kingdom is everything ruled by the London government.Calladan wrote:(Note - there is a chance this post might reflect my personal bias about some of the parties).
Might?
by Wine-loving Chimps » Mon Jul 24, 2017 2:47 pm
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