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Postby Scomagia » Thu Jul 20, 2017 8:09 am

While I've never been fond of his politics, I have found him to be a fairly moderate voice in a party increasingly dominated by its more radical members. It's unfortunate that he should face this illness and I hope that, if nothing else, his last years are comfortable.
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Postby Greater Miami Shores » Thu Jul 20, 2017 8:16 am

My complete post all in one, my previous posts were broken down in two separate Posts, plus I added other facts on it.

My thoughts, prayers and condolences to John McCain and his family. John McCain should have been President of the USA not Obama, I volunteered at a John McCain campaign office for President near my house. I handed out campaing buttons, signs and fliers. I attended with one of my uncles a John McCain and Sarah Palin campaign rally with a sign. Crazy Cuban Alberto.
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Postby Great Minarchistan » Thu Jul 20, 2017 9:06 am

While that seems like karma acting upon him, I wish he recovers.
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Postby Major-Tom » Thu Jul 20, 2017 9:13 am

As an Arizonan who knows McCain on a personal basis, I send him my best. I don't agree with him on much but I have a lot of respect for the man. He's quite the character and a real down to earth guy if you get the chance to meet him.

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Postby Neutraligon » Thu Jul 20, 2017 9:21 am

Soldati Senza Confini wrote:X-Posted at request from the Trump thread:

The type of cancer McCain has is relevant.

Glioblastoma is a very aggressive type of cancer that, even with resection, you still have microscopic metastatic cells, so remission is highly likely for McCain. The reason of these metastases has to do with the type of cells the cancer develops from, which is the astrocytes, and they are laced all over the brain, so it is likely that if it is a glioblastoma type IV, that his brain is laced with these metastasized cells.

Your assumptions about brain cancer are not necessarily wrong, AiliailiA, it's just that he happens to have a really shitty type of cancer that makes his prognosis largely gloomy. It all depends on how advanced they got the GBM though. Stages I and maybe II (which are known as astrocytomas clinically and not glioblastomas) have a high degree of 5+ years of survival. Advanced types of GBM, such as III and IV, have really poor chances of making it past the year.

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Those are not guaranteed. They are highly likely with incompetent neurosurgeons, but they're not a certainty. In medicine, one has to always remember that most of these risks are always a probability, and in the documentation given to cancer patients, they try to make it seem like they can live through it because that's what oncologists have to do, give hope to their patients along with treatment that they can live through it. The poster might have seen up to a thousand of Glioblastomas, and if true, he might have seen the worst cases of GBMs, but not all GBMs are equal in their size or diagnosis, though. What most likely happened is that, because of the condition of McCain that a blood clot was how it showed up, they were suspecting "oh a hematoma, ez pz" until they did the MRI testing and saw that what they were dealing with was not a hematoma. Doctors do not know anything beyond what the patient tells them until they get test results, and even when you might know, you hold a sliver of hope.

In any case, the GBM of McCain might be rather advanced if it managed to manifest physical symptoms such as a blood clot, and if so he might be largely correct, your poster.

The other thing is, like I said, the media is saying McCain has a gioblastoma, we don't know. We don't have his medical records. It could be an astrocytoma (which can be easily mistaken for a glioblastoma), for all we know, which is far more survivable than a gioblastoma. It could be an exaggeration by the media, it might not, but even then, gioblastomas, if it is a gioblastoma, might not fuck with his cognitive abilities, but it could very well mean that he's not likely to survive past 2022, if not by 2018. His neurosurgeon and oncologist are going to have to make that call, but as it stands, gioblastoma doesn't bode well for him, and he most likely will have to retire as a US Senator this year if not the next one due to not being able to continue his duties as a senator in a proficient manner and the high risk of remission if it is a gioblastoma, given this new development.


Just to say my father died from this type of disease. Regardless of location in the brain this type of cancer is automatically considered stage 4. He was the longest living patient using an experimental treatment at 4 years. Most made it max about a year.
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Postby Great Minarchistan » Thu Jul 20, 2017 9:27 am

Neutraligon wrote:Just to say my father died from this type of disease. Regardless of location in the brain this type of cancer is automatically considered stage 4. He was the longest living patient using an experimental treatment at 4 years. Most made it max about a year.


Wasn't Carter cured from brain cancer though? Or was it a different subtype?
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Postby Neutraligon » Thu Jul 20, 2017 9:29 am

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Neutraligon wrote:Just to say my father died from this type of disease. Regardless of location in the brain this type of cancer is automatically considered stage 4. He was the longest living patient using an experimental treatment at 4 years. Most made it max about a year.


Wasn't Carter cured from brain cancer though? Or was it a different subtype?

Different type. McCain has a Glioblastoma, a very aggressive form of cancer that as mentioned above is almost impossible to entirely remove because of how the cancer forms. Carter had a melanoma which is far easier to remove and has a much better prognosis.
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Postby Arctica-Aleutia » Thu Jul 20, 2017 9:29 am

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Neutraligon wrote:Just to say my father died from this type of disease. Regardless of location in the brain this type of cancer is automatically considered stage 4. He was the longest living patient using an experimental treatment at 4 years. Most made it max about a year.


Wasn't Carter cured from brain cancer though? Or was it a different subtype?

I think he was cured of it, but I don't know any of the details. Cancer has a habit of coming back though. I hope it doesn't, I want to meet Jimmy Carter someday.
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Postby Great Minarchistan » Thu Jul 20, 2017 9:31 am

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Wasn't Carter cured from brain cancer though? Or was it a different subtype?

I think he was cured of it, but I don't know any of the details. Cancer has a habit of coming back though. I hope it doesn't, I want to meet Jimmy Carter someday.


IIRC the highest risk of remission ends at the 5th year since the "cure". But considering he is on his nineties, he'll be probably RIP before it returns.
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Postby Major-Tom » Thu Jul 20, 2017 9:31 am

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Wasn't Carter cured from brain cancer though? Or was it a different subtype?

Different type. McCain has a Glioblastoma, a very aggressive form of cancer that as mentioned above is almost impossible to entirely remove because of how the cancer forms. Carter had a melanoma which is far easier to remove and has a much better prognosis.


Thanks for clarifying. Cancer is not something I'm well versed in.

Sorry for your father that must've been rough.

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Postby Neutraligon » Thu Jul 20, 2017 9:36 am

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Neutraligon wrote:Different type. McCain has a Glioblastoma, a very aggressive form of cancer that as mentioned above is almost impossible to entirely remove because of how the cancer forms. Carter had a melanoma which is far easier to remove and has a much better prognosis.


Thanks for clarifying. Cancer is not something I'm well versed in.

Sorry for your father that must've been rough.

It was. In a way this type of cancer is a bit similar to Alzheimer's in that it can causes some pretty severe effects that change a person. My father survived as my father for a while, but the disease had the effect of eventually making him take things very literally (where as he was once very good at being sardonic). In the end it made him more angry (he was normally a very calm person) and made thinking tasks that he once did easily much harder (he could no longer do his daily Sudoku even the easiest ones). This is a devastating disease, but we where lucky in that he always knew who we were, right to the end. Others where not so....lucky and this with a person who was doing well for a couple of years on the experimental drug he was taking.
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Postby Seangoli » Thu Jul 20, 2017 9:42 am

Well, according to a tweet he put out he is planning on returning to the Senate floor in the near future amd not retire.


To which I say dayum, McCain.
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Postby Gauthier » Thu Jul 20, 2017 9:45 am

At least he won't have healthcare cut off from him.
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Gauthier wrote:At least he won't have healthcare cut off from him.

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Postby Soyouso » Thu Jul 20, 2017 10:31 am

Oh, unfortunate. Having to deal with something that can slowly kill you, having to deal with your own mortality looming over your head if treatment doesn't work, your friends and family knowing they could lose you... damn, that's awful. McCain may not be my favored person in politics, but he'll be in my prayers. The very concept of that kind of suffering just gave me a writing idea, additionally.

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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Thu Jul 20, 2017 10:36 am

I hope he recovers.

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Postby Imperializt Russia » Thu Jul 20, 2017 10:38 am

Bijan wrote:http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/19/health/gupta-mccain-glioblastoma/index.html?adkey=bn

(CNN) Sen. John McCain, 80, has been diagnosed with a primary glioblastoma, a type of brain tumor...

...The senator underwent surgery to remove a blood clot on Friday at Mayo Clinic Hospital in Phoenix. Lab results from that surgery confirmed the presence of brain cancer associated with the blood clot.


The prognosis isn't good. This type of brain cancer is aggressive, and comes with a low survival rate. I'm wishing him the best, and hopefully he can make a speedy recovery.

"Low survival rate", I mean he is 80.

Sad to hear. He will someday leave a somewhat distinguished, if confusing, political history.
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Postby The Horseland » Thu Jul 20, 2017 11:09 am

I hope McCain recovers and can continue politics

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Postby Ethel mermania » Thu Jul 20, 2017 7:04 pm

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His presidential campaign was kind of cringeworthy. The best part was his concession speech. The thing with McCain is that even when he's not a bad guy on a personal level, he lets the party push him around too much.

Wasn't he linked to some bribery scandal back in the Eighties? Uhm... Yes yes, he was. He took bribes in money and services from a company.

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Another reason why he should NEVER got within ten miles of the Presidency, since to some the vote of American citizens isn't enough. I wish him a recovery or a painless end (brain cancer isn't nice), but politically he's been able to go on only by exploiting his veteran status.


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Postby Corrian » Thu Jul 20, 2017 7:46 pm

My dads co-worker died of this brain cancer last year actually. The survival rate is pretty poor.
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Postby Katganistan » Thu Jul 20, 2017 8:35 pm

For those who might have read _Death Be Not Proud_ by John Gunther, this is the same cancer that killed his son. Johnny.

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Postby Farnhamia » Thu Jul 20, 2017 8:48 pm

Katganistan wrote:For those who might have read _Death Be Not Proud_ by John Gunther, this is the same cancer that killed his son. Johnny.

And Joe Biden's son, Beau, and Ted Kennedy and *looks around* Ethel Merman.
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Postby Yes Im Biop » Thu Jul 20, 2017 10:00 pm

My Aunt had much the same thing, Guy's gonna be dead in less than a year. Hopefully he will advocate for open access to the same kind of healthcare he's gonna get on our tax money
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Postby Great Minarchistan » Fri Jul 21, 2017 10:28 am

Yes Im Biop wrote:My Aunt had much the same thing, Guy's gonna be dead in less than a year. Hopefully he will advocate for open access to the same kind of healthcare he's gonna get on our tax money


Medicare and Medicaid only worsens the medical costs, it's straight up corporate welfare with a "hey, it's free healthcare" make up. But that's something we shouldn't discuss here.
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