[Abortion][REVISED POLL] If you had the power...

[Salandriagado]

That is literally the most well sourced thing that has been posted in this entire thread. Can we actually check sources, rather than dismissing them out of hand because of the URL? Thanks.

I actually clicked on the link. Oh and just so ya know some of us can't read twitter, as in our workplace blocks it or our computers and phones don't support it

The same is true of literally every other source.

[The New California Republic]

Here is a video about people protesting outside abortion clinics in the UK, intimidating the women that go into them: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-politic ... -suffering

There is currently a discussion about introducing laws in the UK to stop this kind of harassment outside of abortion clinics: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-42129222

[Dylar]

Here is a video about people protesting outside abortion clinics in the UK, intimidating the women that go into them: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-politic ... -suffering

There is currently a discussion about introducing laws in the UK to stop this kind of harassment outside of abortion clinics: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-42129222

Why do I feel like the laws will be "No protesting in or around the abortion clinics" laws?

[Ifreann]

Here is a video about people protesting outside abortion clinics in the UK, intimidating the women that go into them: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-politic ... -suffering

There is currently a discussion about introducing laws in the UK to stop this kind of harassment outside of abortion clinics: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-42129222

Why do I feel like the laws will be "No protesting in or around the abortion clinics" laws?

I wouldn't count on there being any laws at all. The British government is currently being propped up by the furiously anti-abortion DUP. The most I'd expect would be the Home Secretary firmly asserting that harassment is bad and then nothing actually changing.

[The New California Republic]

Why do I feel like the laws will be "No protesting in or around the abortion clinics" laws?

I wouldn't count on there being any laws at all. The British government is currently being propped up by the furiously anti-abortion DUP. The most I'd expect would be the Home Secretary firmly asserting that harassment is bad and then nothing actually changing.

Exactly. I think that the whole issue will likely remain on the backburner until the next General Election. The DUP has Theresa May in a bind, as she needs their support going forward into the Brexit negotiations, so she isn't going to start pissing them off by opening up the issue of abortion clinic protests. The Brexit negotiations will likely need to be finished before anything happens legislation-wise in the abortion department.

[Vulturret]

I wouldn't count on there being any laws at all. The British government is currently being propped up by the furiously anti-abortion DUP. The most I'd expect would be the Home Secretary firmly asserting that harassment is bad and then nothing actually changing.

Exactly. I think that the whole issue will likely remain on the backburner until the next General Election. The DUP has Theresa May in a bind, as she needs their support going forward into the Brexit negotiations, so she isn't going to start pissing them off by opening up the issue of abortion clinic protests. The Brexit negotiations will likely need to be finished before anything happens legislation-wise in the abortion department.

Brexit needs to come first.

[Ifreann]

I wouldn't count on there being any laws at all. The British government is currently being propped up by the furiously anti-abortion DUP. The most I'd expect would be the Home Secretary firmly asserting that harassment is bad and then nothing actually changing.

Exactly. I think that the whole issue will likely remain on the backburner until the next General Election. The DUP has Theresa May in a bind, as she needs their support going forward into the Brexit negotiations, so she isn't going to start pissing them off by opening up the issue of abortion clinic protests. The Brexit negotiations will likely need to be finished before anything happens legislation-wise in the abortion department.

Even then, I wouldn't count on anything changing. Politically easier to do nothing and leave Northern Ireland to Stormont, if they ever manage to get that place up and running again.

[The Alma Mater]

It,otoh, has no problems whatsoever with indirectly killing unborn children by killing pregnant women.

Shit dog, I can feel the heat from here.

Hey - I did not write the Bible, nor the many commandments to kill women who might be pregnant. Like ones who cheated. Or were raped and did not call for help loudly enough.

[Holy Tedalonia]

Shit dog, I can feel the heat from here.

Hey - I did not write the Bible, nor the many commandments to kill women who might be pregnant. Like ones who cheated. Or were raped and did not call for help loudly enough.

Old or New Testament?

[Ifreann]

Hey - I did not write the Bible, nor the many commandments to kill women who might be pregnant. Like ones who cheated. Or were raped and did not call for help loudly enough.

Old or New Testament?

I don't think The Alma Mater wrote either.

[Holy Tedalonia]

Old or New Testament?

I don't think The Alma Mater wrote either.

Nah, meaning the whole commandments on killing women. Most Christians follow the New Testament, but use the old as moral guidelines or treat it as "the old policy"

[Herador]

Shit dog, I can feel the heat from here.

Hey - I did not write the Bible, nor the many commandments to kill women who might be pregnant. Like ones who cheated. Or were raped and did not call for help loudly enough.

Flames from that sick burn, not the fires of hell

[The Alma Mater]

Hey - I did not write the Bible, nor the many commandments to kill women who might be pregnant. Like ones who cheated. Or were raped and did not call for help loudly enough.

Old or New Testament?

Old ofc. Jesus preferred to kill innocent bushes

Old or New Testament?

I don't think The Alma Mater wrote either.

Only some parts.

[Holy Tedalonia]

Old or New Testament?

Old ofc. Jesus preferred to kill innocent bushes

Yeah, ofcourse. Back then he had a burning bush fetish (it tried to autocorrect fetus instead of fetus for a second)

[The Alma Mater]

Old ofc. Jesus preferred to kill innocent bushes

Yeah, ofcourse. Back then he had a burning bush fetish (it tried to autocorrect fetus instead of fetus for a second)

And he got very upset when a fig tree refused to grow figs out of season.
So the fig tree had to die.

[The New California Republic]

Old ofc. Jesus preferred to kill innocent bushes

Don't forget that God liked to turn women into pillars of salt (Genesis 19:26), for having the gall to look at the truly epic scene of an entire city being leveled...

...But seriously, we were talking about abortion...?

[The Alma Mater]

Old ofc. Jesus preferred to kill innocent bushes

Don't forget that God liked to turn women into pillars of salt (Genesis 19:26), for having the gall to look at the truly epic scene of an entire city being leveled...

...But seriously, we were talking about abortion...?

A little sidestep into the question what God thinks of killing the unborn.

[Katganistan]

It's a tweet chain going through some of the major pro-life myths and tearing them down.

Namely “Fetuses are babies!” (Scientific consensus is that pre-22 weeks, a fetus isn't anything), “Late term abortions are infanticide!” (Late term abortions are less than two percent of all abortions carried out and are only performed in cases of actual medical necessity), “Abortion has horrible mental health consequences for women who get them!” (nope, they don't), “Abortion increases a woman’s risk of breast cancer!” (nope), “Abortions will decrease women’s ability to bear children later in life!” (not if performed by a competent professional), “Abortions are a sin!” / “Jesus hates abortions” (the Bible is consistently mum on that point).

Ah, I see. Thanks for that.

“Abortions are a sin!” / “Jesus hates abortions” (the Bible is consistently mum on that point).

Just for clarification, the Bible is not the "be all, end all" when it comes to Christian theology. Mainly because it has many different interpretations, which is why denominations like the Catholic Church have something like the Catechism which explains what the denomination believes in so that her believers don't misinterpret and preach heresy. So, within the Catholic Church(I'm using them, because I'm a Catholic, and we are the largest Christian denomination out there with 1.28 billion members), abortion is a sin, because we are all taught that life begins at the moment of conception. We also have Scripture to back this up, believe it or not.

Before I formed you in the womb I knew you,
And before you were born I consecrated you;
I have appointed you a prophet to the nations

So, indirectly, the Bible does condemn the practice of abortion. Now, Jesus might hate abortions, however, that does not mean he hates the people getting them or performing them. It's the whole "Love the sinner, hate the sin" concept.

And what of the passage about the priest brewing an abortifacient for wives suspected of infidelity?

Numbers 5:11-31New International Version (NIV)
The Test for an Unfaithful Wife

11 Then the Lord said to Moses, 12 “Speak to the Israelites and say to them: ‘If a man’s wife goes astray and is unfaithful to him 13 so that another man has sexual relations with her, and this is hidden from her husband and her impurity is undetected (since there is no witness against her and she has not been caught in the act), 14 and if feelings of jealousy come over her husband and he suspects his wife and she is impure—or if he is jealous and suspects her even though she is not impure— 15 then he is to take his wife to the priest. He must also take an offering of a tenth of an ephah[a] of barley flour on her behalf. He must not pour olive oil on it or put incense on it, because it is a grain offering for jealousy, a reminder-offering to draw attention to wrongdoing.

16 “‘The priest shall bring her and have her stand before the Lord. 17 Then he shall take some holy water in a clay jar and put some dust from the tabernacle floor into the water. 18 After the priest has had the woman stand before the Lord, he shall loosen her hair and place in her hands the reminder-offering, the grain offering for jealousy, while he himself holds the bitter water that brings a curse. 19 Then the priest shall put the woman under oath and say to her, “If no other man has had sexual relations with you and you have not gone astray and become impure while married to your husband, may this bitter water that brings a curse not harm you. 20 But if you have gone astray while married to your husband and you have made yourself impure by having sexual relations with a man other than your husband”— 21 here the priest is to put the woman under this curse—“may the Lord cause you to become a curse[b] among your people when he makes your womb miscarry and your abdomen swell. 22 May this water that brings a curse enter your body so that your abdomen swells or your womb miscarries.”

“‘Then the woman is to say, “Amen. So be it.”

23 “‘The priest is to write these curses on a scroll and then wash them off into the bitter water. 24 He shall make the woman drink the bitter water that brings a curse, and this water that brings a curse and causes bitter suffering will enter her. 25 The priest is to take from her hands the grain offering for jealousy, wave it before the Lord and bring it to the altar. 26 The priest is then to take a handful of the grain offering as a memorial[c] offering and burn it on the altar; after that, he is to have the woman drink the water. 27 If she has made herself impure and been unfaithful to her husband, this will be the result: When she is made to drink the water that brings a curse and causes bitter suffering, it will enter her, her abdomen will swell and her womb will miscarry, and she will become a curse. 28 If, however, the woman has not made herself impure, but is clean, she will be cleared of guilt and will be able to have children.

29 “‘This, then, is the law of jealousy when a woman goes astray and makes herself impure while married to her husband, 30 or when feelings of jealousy come over a man because he suspects his wife. The priest is to have her stand before the Lord and is to apply this entire law to her. 31 The husband will be innocent of any wrongdoing, but the woman will bear the consequences of her sin.’”

Seems to be a bit of a contradiction here.

[Drapion]

Well, that happened


Anyways, Abortion, I think it's morally wrong but it should be legal anyways.

Why would you support what goes against your morals?

Because they see that even if they don’t like something, it should still exist. I hate anime, and think it is wrong, but I don’t think it should be banned.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Why would you support what goes against your morals?

Because they see that even if they don’t like something, it should still exist. I hate anime, and think it is wrong, but I don’t think it should be banned.

This is like arguing that newspapers and TV are morally wrong.

[Wallenburg]

Because they see that even if they don’t like something, it should still exist. I hate anime, and think it is wrong, but I don’t think it should be banned.

This is like arguing that newspapers and TV are morally wrong.

Even more the reason why banning things simply because you personally dislike them isn't a good policy.

[Godular]

This is like arguing that newspapers and TV are morally wrong.

Even more the reason why banning things simply because you personally dislike them isn't a good policy.

I fucking HATE broccoli. It is the most disgusting thing in the universe and I can't imagine why anybody would actually LIKE chewing on that horrible horrible plant.

Don't want to ban it though.

[Katganistan]

Even more the reason why banning things simply because you personally dislike them isn't a good policy.

I fucking HATE broccoli. It is the most disgusting thing in the universe and I can't imagine why anybody would actually LIKE chewing on that horrible horrible plant.

Don't want to ban it though.

*quietly takes all of Godular's broccoli and gives it a good home.... in her stir-fry.*

[Genivaria]

I fucking HATE broccoli. It is the most disgusting thing in the universe and I can't imagine why anybody would actually LIKE chewing on that horrible horrible plant.

Don't want to ban it though.

*quietly takes all of Godular's broccoli and gives it a good home.... in her stir-fry.*

With some chicken and teriyaki sauce.

[Godular]

I fucking HATE broccoli. It is the most disgusting thing in the universe and I can't imagine why anybody would actually LIKE chewing on that horrible horrible plant.

Don't want to ban it though.

*quietly takes all of Godular's broccoli and gives it a good home.... in her stir-fry.*

YOU MANIACS! YOU COOKED IT UP! YOU MANIACS!