[Abortion][REVISED POLL] If you had the power...

[Ifreann]

Just three days until the abortion referendum. I've seen suggestions on Twitter today that American pro-life campaigners, undeterred by being barred from digitally advertising to Irish voters online, are coming/have come to Ireland to put up posters(probably illegally) and campaign the old fashioned way.

Thanks, America.

You're welcome, Ireland. Though, is it really illegal to put up posters in Ireland in protest of the referendum?

Not in and of itself. The country is covered in posters. I expect you have to register before putting any up, though, so that the owner of the posters can be fined if they fail to remove them in a timely fashion once the referendum is over. And I can't see American tourists being allowed to register a political campaign.

[Katganistan]

Just three days until the abortion referendum. I've seen suggestions on Twitter today that American pro-life campaigners, undeterred by being barred from digitally advertising to Irish voters online, are coming/have come to Ireland to put up posters(probably illegally) and campaign the old fashioned way.

Thanks, America.

Not all of use are that asinine, Ifreann.

[The Parkus Empire]

Just three days until the abortion referendum. I've seen suggestions on Twitter today that American pro-life campaigners, undeterred by being barred from digitally advertising to Irish voters online, are coming/have come to Ireland to put up posters(probably illegally) and campaign the old fashioned way.

Thanks, America.

Mexico does this to us with immigration. :^)

[Katganistan]

Just three days until the abortion referendum. I've seen suggestions on Twitter today that American pro-life campaigners, undeterred by being barred from digitally advertising to Irish voters online, are coming/have come to Ireland to put up posters(probably illegally) and campaign the old fashioned way.

Thanks, America.

Mexico does this to us with immigration. :^)

I'm sure you have a source for that completely off topic tangent.

[The Parkus Empire]

Mexico does this to us with immigration. :^)

I'm sure you have a source for that completely off topic tangent.

[New Emeline]

Just three days until the abortion referendum. I've seen suggestions on Twitter today that American pro-life campaigners, undeterred by being barred from digitally advertising to Irish voters online, are coming/have come to Ireland to put up posters(probably illegally) and campaign the old fashioned way.

Thanks, America.

You're welcome, Ireland. Though, is it really illegal to put up posters in Ireland in protest of the referendum?

"You're welcome"?

[The Parkus Empire]

You're welcome, Ireland. Though, is it really illegal to put up posters in Ireland in protest of the referendum?

"You're welcome"?

You're unwelcome, Ireland!

[Dylar]

You're welcome, Ireland. Though, is it really illegal to put up posters in Ireland in protest of the referendum?

"You're welcome"?

Hey, I'm just using my manners. He says thanks, I say you're welcome.

[New Emeline]

"You're welcome"?

Hey, I'm just using my manners. He says thanks, I say you're welcome.

You went to Ireland?

[Dylar]

Hey, I'm just using my manners. He says thanks, I say you're welcome.

You went to Ireland?

No. I wish, though. Beautiful country.

[New Emeline]

You went to Ireland?

No. I wish, though. Beautiful country.

True. Would like to go there someday.
Probably not to picket though

[Hurdergaryp]

No. I wish, though. Beautiful country.

True. Would like to go there someday.
Probably not to picket though

Picketing seems like a rather joyless and hateful activity, with the potential side effect of radicalizing and/or heavily depressing the picketers.

[Cyborg Island]

[region-tag] [/region-tag]

[Cranborne]

Personally I believe that those who perform abortions and those that undergo them should have capital punishment applied to them. Both are murderers of innocent life.

[The V O I D]

Personally I believe that those who perform abortions and those that undergo them should have capital punishment applied to them. Both are murderers of innocent life.

Except no, they aren't. Fetuses aren't innocent life. We don't call people who steal other people's organs innocent. We don't call rapists innocent. And they do the same thing a fetus does when a woman doesn't want to be pregnant: violate the victim's bodily autonomy.

[Cranborne]

Personally I believe that those who perform abortions and those that undergo them should have capital punishment applied to them. Both are murderers of innocent life.

Except no, they aren't. Fetuses aren't innocent life. We don't call people who steal other people's organs innocent. We don't call rapists innocent. And they do the same thing a fetus does when a woman doesn't want to be pregnant: violate the victim's bodily autonomy.

They are most certainly murderers. A foetus is life from the beginning and snuffing it out unjustly is a crime against humanity. The only case in which I can see it ever being valid is in a case of a mother who is both young, has no children of her own already, and the child would almost certainly be lost regardless. But say, a case of a 38 year old woman with three other children who, if carrying to term, has a 20% chance of survival whilst the child has 60%, then she should carry on and bring forth new life even if the most likely result is her passing. But such as passing should be regarded as one of a noble being - sacrificing one's life to bring forth renewed life.

[Shazbotdom]

Except no, they aren't. Fetuses aren't innocent life. We don't call people who steal other people's organs innocent. We don't call rapists innocent. And they do the same thing a fetus does when a woman doesn't want to be pregnant: violate the victim's bodily autonomy.

They are most certainly murderers. A foetus is life from the beginning and snuffing it out unjustly is a crime against humanity. The only case in which I can see it ever being valid is in a case of a mother who is both young, has no children of her own already, and the child would almost certainly be lost regardless. But say, a case of a 38 year old woman with three other children who, if carrying to term, has a 20% chance of survival whilst the child has 60%, then she should carry on and bring forth new life even if the most likely result is her passing. But such as passing should be regarded as one of a noble being - sacrificing one's life to bring forth renewed life.

Where is the malicious intent in Abortion?

[Geneviev]

Except no, they aren't. Fetuses aren't innocent life. We don't call people who steal other people's organs innocent. We don't call rapists innocent. And they do the same thing a fetus does when a woman doesn't want to be pregnant: violate the victim's bodily autonomy.

They are most certainly murderers. A foetus is life from the beginning and snuffing it out unjustly is a crime against humanity. The only case in which I can see it ever being valid is in a case of a mother who is both young, has no children of her own already, and the child would almost certainly be lost regardless. But say, a case of a 38 year old woman with three other children who, if carrying to term, has a 20% chance of survival whilst the child has 60%, then she should carry on and bring forth new life even if the most likely result is her passing. But such as passing should be regarded as one of a noble being - sacrificing one's life to bring forth renewed life.

Although I agree that abortion should be discouraged, why would you think it is a good idea for three children to lose their mother for a 60% chance of another child? That is stealing life as much as abortion is.

[Cranborne]

They are most certainly murderers. A foetus is life from the beginning and snuffing it out unjustly is a crime against humanity. The only case in which I can see it ever being valid is in a case of a mother who is both young, has no children of her own already, and the child would almost certainly be lost regardless. But say, a case of a 38 year old woman with three other children who, if carrying to term, has a 20% chance of survival whilst the child has 60%, then she should carry on and bring forth new life even if the most likely result is her passing. But such as passing should be regarded as one of a noble being - sacrificing one's life to bring forth renewed life.

Although I agree that abortion should be discouraged, why would you think it is a good idea for three children to lose their mother for a 60% chance of another child? That is stealing life as much as abortion is.

Because we must make the hard choice on what life to preserve. The loss of the mother would be immense and the family ideally taken care of with the memory of their noble mother forever in light.

[Shazbotdom]

Although I agree that abortion should be discouraged, why would you think it is a good idea for three children to lose their mother for a 60% chance of another child? That is stealing life as much as abortion is.

Because we must make the hard choice on what life to preserve. The loss of the mother would be immense and the family ideally taken care of with the memory of their noble mother forever in light.

I will ask once again.

Where is the Malicious Intent?

[Geneviev]

Although I agree that abortion should be discouraged, why would you think it is a good idea for three children to lose their mother for a 60% chance of another child? That is stealing life as much as abortion is.

Because we must make the hard choice on what life to preserve. The loss of the mother would be immense and the family ideally taken care of with the memory of their noble mother forever in light.

Noble of the mother, and yet what will become of the first three children? How will they treat the fourth child, if it even survives? These are children.

[Cranborne]

Because we must make the hard choice on what life to preserve. The loss of the mother would be immense and the family ideally taken care of with the memory of their noble mother forever in light.

Noble of the mother, and yet what will become of the first three children? How will they treat the fourth child, if it even survives? These are children.

Hopefully they would be taught to understand. It would not be the fault of the child, but an unfortunate reality of nature and the forces of evil which are beset upon us in the universe.

[The V O I D]

Except no, they aren't. Fetuses aren't innocent life. We don't call people who steal other people's organs innocent. We don't call rapists innocent. And they do the same thing a fetus does when a woman doesn't want to be pregnant: violate the victim's bodily autonomy.

They are most certainly murderers. A foetus is life from the beginning and snuffing it out unjustly is a crime against humanity. The only case in which I can see it ever being valid is in a case of a mother who is both young, has no children of her own already, and the child would almost certainly be lost regardless. But say, a case of a 38 year old woman with three other children who, if carrying to term, has a 20% chance of survival whilst the child has 60%, then she should carry on and bring forth new life even if the most likely result is her passing. But such as passing should be regarded as one of a noble being - sacrificing one's life to bring forth renewed life.

Murder involves malicious intent. The woman wanting control over her body as everyone should because bodily autonomy is the supreme right is not valid malicious intent.

As for the rest of your spiel, that is just despicable. A woman should never be forced to be pregnant especially in cases where a chance of death is very high. What you propose is the real crime against humanity.

[Cranborne]

Because we must make the hard choice on what life to preserve. The loss of the mother would be immense and the family ideally taken care of with the memory of their noble mother forever in light.

I will ask once again.

Where is the Malicious Intent?

To end a life for one's own convenience and selfishness. It is among the most disgusting crimes one could commit.

[Geneviev]

Noble of the mother, and yet what will become of the first three children? How will they treat the fourth child, if it even survives? These are children.

Hopefully they would be taught to understand. It would not be the fault of the child, but an unfortunate reality of nature and the forces of evil which are beset upon us in the universe.

Of course, I understand. However, how will you make children understand? All they will understand is that they were forced to lose their mother. Death can never be handled well, especially by children, especially if it is in their family, especially if it's their mother.