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Postby Onocarcass » Sat Jun 03, 2017 6:16 pm

Personally, I'd say just nuke everything into oblivion. You do that and then there are no more bullies.
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Postby Mandicoria » Sat Jun 03, 2017 6:17 pm

Onocarcass wrote:Personally, I'd say just nuke everything into oblivion. You do that and then there are no more bullies.

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Postby Wallenburg » Sat Jun 03, 2017 6:17 pm

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Hey, I never said you were obligated to accept my claims at face value either. I wasn't the one implying these things were relevant by bringing them up.

The burden of proof needs to be flipped in this case as a counterbalance to those who stack the deck against genetic explanations. It's the only way to force the issue.

Why should we bear the burden of proof? You made a claim--that bullying is genetic--now you bear the burden of proving it.
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Postby Onocarcass » Sat Jun 03, 2017 6:19 pm

Mandicoria wrote:
Onocarcass wrote:Personally, I'd say just nuke everything into oblivion. You do that and then there are no more bullies.

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I mean, I'm not wrong :p
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Postby LimaUniformNovemberAlpha » Sat Jun 03, 2017 6:19 pm

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LimaUniformNovemberAlpha wrote:Then what are you doing here? Aren't there jobs you yourself could be applying to? Or working overtime at so as to save up money to go to a "respectable institution" yourself?

It's almost as if "not knowing what someone's doing here" doesn't immediately prove the first explanation that comes to mind.

I went to a campus where the campus clubs seemed reasonable enough. But for many campuses, the same could not be said. And post-college, activism can be a liability to employability; at least until you've got your foot in the door.

Ideally, we should fix both problems. In the meantime, the Internet will have to do.

i'm here because i saw you posting an utterly fucking retarded subject matter on a forum that is constantly in my eyesight when i just wanna check gameside. because i thought to myself "surely this person isn't this clueless". so i cared a little and asked why you're wasting your time typing here. not to insult you or anything, but i seriously doubt you went to an accredited institution if you think that bullying is a genetic thing over an attitude that just gets picked up.

California's jail guards sterilized criminals. Do you think they were "stupid" too? If so, how lax do you think their hiring standards are?

For what it's worth, I didn't exactly major in biology, and only got a B grade in the introductory university biology, so there might be a kernel of truth to this part.
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Postby Mandicoria » Sat Jun 03, 2017 6:20 pm

LimaUniformNovemberAlpha wrote:
Mandicoria wrote:i'm here because i saw you posting an utterly fucking retarded subject matter on a forum that is constantly in my eyesight when i just wanna check gameside. because i thought to myself "surely this person isn't this clueless". so i cared a little and asked why you're wasting your time typing here. not to insult you or anything, but i seriously doubt you went to an accredited institution if you think that bullying is a genetic thing over an attitude that just gets picked up.

California's jail guards sterilized criminals. Do you think they were "stupid" too? If so, how lax do you think their hiring standards are?

For what it's worth, I didn't exactly major in biology, and only got a B grade in the introductory university biology, so there might be a kernel of truth to this part.

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Postby Mandicoria » Sat Jun 03, 2017 6:21 pm

Onocarcass wrote:
Mandicoria wrote:nice

I mean, I'm not wrong :p

yeah, humanity is overrated. being a charred black skeleton in some afterlife is preferable.
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Postby The Frozen Forest » Sat Jun 03, 2017 6:27 pm

There was an experiment/exercise done awhile back on blue eyed and brown eyed students. While i won't go into the details of this experiment it basically divided a class of students into a 'superior' blue eyed group and an 'inferior' brown eyed group. This feeling of superiority actually caused the blue eyed kids to do better than the brown eyed kids and the brown eyed kids were bullied and harassed by the blue eyed kids. The next day the teacher switched the experiment around with the brown eyes 'superior' and the blue eyes 'inferior' and the brown eyed kids beat down on the blue eyed kids similarly.

The experiment's purpose wasn't about bullying specifically but rather racism. Still i find it applies here somewhat, so my argument towards 'Should bullies be sterilized' is that it shouldn't. Bullying is indeed a learned behavior affected by environmental factors only found in complex human society. You cannot breed it out of humanity as we aren't dogs and these aren't genetic factors. Rather i think experiments like this one (below) would be a beneficial way to combat bullying and build a more connected and healthy society.

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Postby Greed and Death » Sat Jun 03, 2017 6:45 pm

If anything society has lost its aggressive edge. Sterilize those who are bullied and do not fight back.
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Postby Victores » Sat Jun 03, 2017 7:04 pm

greed and death wrote:If anything society has lost its aggressive edge. Sterilize those who are bullied and do not fight back.

See, I used to fight back. Then I would get in trouble because I typically did more damage than the bully was intending to do.
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Postby Onocarcass » Sat Jun 03, 2017 7:06 pm

greed and death wrote:If anything society has lost its aggressive edge. Sterilize those who are bullied and do not fight back.

Yes, because making everyone extra aggressive obviously won't increase crime rates and decrease overall intelligence.
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Postby The Alexandrian Polis » Sat Jun 03, 2017 7:32 pm

No, as a person who has had many issues with bullying when I was younger, this is an infringement on civil rights. Not to mention, bullying is not genetic either. It is a very vague and broad term, and makes the people endorsing this kind of thing hypocrites. Many would consider this an example of bullying.

In fact, said issues were major enough to affect me to the point that if I went into detail people would interpret it as me looking for sympathy points.

I, personally, found it much easier to manipulate them into getting expelled, suspended, or, if they committed criminal acts outside of school, get them in a situation where they get caught by the police. Though, that may or may not give an example of how they affected my mental state.

At least easier compared to chemically or physically castrating them, doing a vasectomy, or a tubal sterilization.

Speaking of which, how exactly do you wish to sterilize them? :eyebrow:
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Postby Greed and Death » Sat Jun 03, 2017 7:33 pm

Victores wrote:
greed and death wrote:If anything society has lost its aggressive edge. Sterilize those who are bullied and do not fight back.

See, I used to fight back. Then I would get in trouble because I typically did more damage than the bully was intending to do.

Good for you sometimes you have to get in trouble to get ahead in life.
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Postby -Celibrae- » Sat Jun 03, 2017 7:35 pm

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Postby Katganistan » Sat Jun 03, 2017 7:40 pm

LimaUniformNovemberAlpha wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VkKTY_ZljyU#t=108s

So this scene (but mostly the groin kick at about 108 seconds in) got me thinking; that might make him sterile, and in so doing, reduce the population of bullies in the next generation.

Why aren't we doing this on a larger, more lawful scale, rather than leaving individuals who take the matter into their own hands (or in this case, their own feet) to risk prosecution? Why do we keep relying on ineffective anti-bullying strategies that fight the uphill battle against bullies' very nature when we could be literally cutting off bullying at the source?


For the very obvious reason that under the US Constitution, it is cruel and unusual punishment, and that under the Universal Declaration of Human Rights it is a violation of both Article 5 and Article 16.

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Postby Salus Maior » Sat Jun 03, 2017 7:43 pm

LimaUniformNovemberAlpha wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VkKTY_ZljyU#t=108s

So this scene (but mostly the groin kick at about 108 seconds in) got me thinking; that might make him sterile, and in so doing, reduce the population of bullies in the next generation.

Why aren't we doing this on a larger, more lawful scale, rather than leaving individuals who take the matter into their own hands (or in this case, their own feet) to risk prosecution? Why do we keep relying on ineffective anti-bullying strategies that fight the uphill battle against bullies' very nature when we could be literally cutting off bullying at the source?


.....No....

Bullying is a learned thing, not something you're born with.
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Postby The Two Jerseys » Sat Jun 03, 2017 7:52 pm

greed and death wrote:If anything society has lost its aggressive edge. Sterilize those who are bullied and do not fight back.

Yeah, we gotta keep those weak pussies from spreading their weak pussiness to the next generation! Yes, this is sarcasm.
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Postby Thermodolia » Sat Jun 03, 2017 8:26 pm

Fuck no. Bullies shouldn't be sterilized, I oppose the sterilization of anyone, bullies should at the very least be punished and taught why what they are doing is bad.
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Postby The first Galactic Republic » Sat Jun 03, 2017 8:56 pm

Mandicoria wrote:
Onocarcass wrote:I mean, I'm not wrong :p

yeah, humanity is overrated. being a charred black skeleton in some afterlife is preferable.

Once upon a time we were a peaceful skeleton race before the tyranny of skin. Someday though we will overthrow the skin, and the skeletons will rule once again.
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Postby Mandicoria » Sat Jun 03, 2017 8:58 pm

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Mandicoria wrote:yeah, humanity is overrated. being a charred black skeleton in some afterlife is preferable.

Once upon a time we were a peaceful skeleton race before the tyranny of skin. Someday though we will overthrow the skin, and the skeletons will rule once again.

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Postby The Federation of Kendor » Sat Jun 03, 2017 9:00 pm

No. It's as assuming that some personalities are descended from genes and also, committing eugenics just to get rid of "undesirables" (bullies). Eugenics have questionable moral questions, and personality can be molded theough nurture, not just nature. So, with some hard work, or some other important events, you can reform a bully
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Summer is already here
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Summer is already here

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