Malvinas/Falkland Islands Sovereignty

[Fartsniffage]

@Charnea - Are you really from Argentina. I ask since you have not mention Argentina's potential weapon.

Argentinas potential weapon which is cheap compared to expensive weapon systems can be seen here - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwFQXDDZgf4

When it comes to combat airplanes, Argentina was going to buy 15 Mig-29 bombers from Russia. I have no idea if they are still in talks with Russia. But in March 2017, an Argentine General said they would be buying the South Korean made KAI FA-50. SK. offered 24 of those light combat airplanes.

When it comes to airplane trainers, Argentina is buying 12 Beechraft Texan Trainers. The UK. is also buying these trainers which means Argentine pilots will have an idea on the flying skill of UK. pilots.


Video of the light combat airplane - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5T7UVMQ_JbQ

The UK is buying Texans for training? Can you source that?

[UKCS]

What was your first clue, Sherlock.

The ignorant nationalistic dickwaving.

That too.

[Maichuko]

The people living their are British and voted to stay British.

[UKCS]

You may want to consider learning the proper definitions of political labels, they do come in handy.

I suffered a minor coughing fit brought on by laughter when I saw that you wrote that.

[Rio Cana]

@Charnea - Are you really from Argentina. I ask since you have not mention Argentina's potential weapon.

Argentinas potential weapon which is cheap compared to expensive weapon systems can be seen here - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwFQXDDZgf4

When it comes to combat airplanes, Argentina was going to buy 15 Mig-29 bombers from Russia. I have no idea if they are still in talks with Russia. But in March 2017, an Argentine General said they would be buying the South Korean made KAI FA-50. SK. offered 24 of those light combat airplanes.

When it comes to airplane trainers, Argentina is buying 12 Beechraft Texan Trainers. The UK. is also buying these trainers which means Argentine pilots will have an idea on the flying skill of UK. pilots.


Video of the light combat airplane - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5T7UVMQ_JbQ

The UK is buying Texans for training? Can you source that?

Here is the video from the guy the UK. sent to look over the trainers - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=taLsCgT-2Yg

[SD_Film Artists]

What's that? The Falklands Thread alarm over my bed went off..... aah the thread's mostly wrapped up now..

Why not let the Falkland Islands annex Argentina?

Why not indeed. Proximity works both ways

[Minzerland II]

Do you have the opinion that; A)The Malvinas/Falkland Islands should remain under control of the UK, or B)The Malvinas/The Falkland Islands should become part of Argentina?

I hold the opinion that the Malvinas are Argentinean territory, as the British illegally forced out the Argentines in the past and barred them from resettling.

What is your opinion, NSG?

Did they ever actually control the island?

[Farnhamia]

Do you have the opinion that; A)The Malvinas/Falkland Islands should remain under control of the UK, or B)The Malvinas/The Falkland Islands should become part of Argentina?

I hold the opinion that the Malvinas are Argentinean territory, as the British illegally forced out the Argentines in the past and barred them from resettling.

What is your opinion, NSG?

Did they ever actually control the island?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_ ... nd_Islands

[Minzerland II]

Did they ever actually control the island?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_ ... nd_Islands

Ah. Thank you.

[Liriena]

Ugh... not this topic again... *cringe*

I may be an Argie, but I vote UK, insofar as it is the will of the islands' inhabitants to remain in the UK.

If my country is so intent on getting those islands, it's got to do a better job of luring them Kelpers in.

heh.

Argentina, the joke of a south american nation.

I'm sorry, but though we may have our many, many, many, many, many, many ridiculous flaws... at least we did not elect Abdalá Bucaram.

[Genivaria]

Galtieri was a Fascist by any reasonable measure.

A raging anti-semite for starters...

Just because the Nazis were anti-semites doesn't make all fascists anti-semites. You may want to consider learning the proper definitions of political labels, they do come in handy.

Like having one of your ships sink in peacetime in the harbour?

Can't say that's a price of waging war, no. You know. War. Wartime. As in, not peacetime.

The ignorant nationalistic dickwaving.

Why can't we have some nationalistic funtimes too, eh?

I don't know or care what you mean by 'too' but it just makes you sound delusional.

[Genivaria]

The island belongs to the United States of America as an unincorporated territory. You must vacate the premises immediately.

Sounds good to me.

The island belongs to the United States of America as an unincorporated territory. You must vacate the premises immediately.

I support this.

I'm strangely okay with this.

[Ambarii]

I am a Trotskyist after all. One does not simply understand Trotskyism without an above average grasp of the political, after all.

I am bragging by the way, that is exactly what I'm doing.

Oh boy, if you said that just a few decades ago in Argentina you might end up like this guy...

[Arlenton]

You mean just the Falklands? No such thing as the Malvinas.

[Noraika]

The Falklands are British territory, and the Falkland Islanders near universally (with the exception of 3 people) all agree with British rule. Not only does Britain control the de facto and de jure ownership of the lands but it has a clear mandate from the people to be there. Thus it is British in every possible consideration of ownership and right to ownership.

Not to mention that the Argentinians have barely ever had control over the islands, the United Kingdom claimed and settled the islands long before Argentina, or even the United Provinces, existed, and the Argentinian claims are largely unfounded, and unrecognized by the international community, which is what recognizes sovereignty.

The very ideas of the Malvinas is mythical.

[Thermodolia]

You mean just the Falklands? No such thing as the Malvinas.

I can't even pronounce the other one, the Falklands is all I know them by

[The Greater Ohio Valley]

For now.

A bunch of drunk dudes in a rusty tugboat armed with wet newspapers have a better chance at taking over an abandoned lighthouse than Argentina does at ever mustering up an invasion force to retake the Falklands again.

[Thermodolia]

For now.

A bunch of drunk dudes in a rusty tugboat armed with wet newspapers have a better chance at taking over an abandoned lighthouse than Argentina does at ever mustering up an invasion force to retake the Falklands again.

I'm pretty sure that May could convince Trump that Argentina is basically Mexico.

[San Marlindo]

@Charnea - Are you really from Argentina. I ask since you have not mention Argentina's potential weapon.

Argentinas potential weapon which is cheap compared to expensive weapon systems can be seen here - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwFQXDDZgf4

When it comes to combat airplanes, Argentina was going to buy 15 Mig-29 bombers from Russia. I have no idea if they are still in talks with Russia. But in March 2017, an Argentine General said they would be buying the South Korean made KAI FA-50. SK. offered 24 of those light combat airplanes.

When it comes to airplane trainers, Argentina is buying 12 Beechraft Texan Trainers. The UK. is also buying these trainers which means Argentine pilots will have an idea on the flying skill of UK. pilots.


Video of the light combat airplane - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5T7UVMQ_JbQ

I am curious how Argentina plans to pay for an aircraft like the MiG-29. Their Air Force is bankrupt.

I think they will trade natural resources directly with other countries - instead of money - to pay.

They did propose doing this a few years ago with Russia for Sukhoi SU-24s:

http://www.defensenews.com/story/defens ... /21045405/

[The Corparation]

@Charnea - Are you really from Argentina. I ask since you have not mention Argentina's potential weapon.

Argentinas potential weapon which is cheap compared to expensive weapon systems can be seen here - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwFQXDDZgf4

When it comes to combat airplanes, Argentina was going to buy 15 Mig-29 bombers from Russia. I have no idea if they are still in talks with Russia. But in March 2017, an Argentine General said they would be buying the South Korean made KAI FA-50. SK. offered 24 of those light combat airplanes.

When it comes to airplane trainers, Argentina is buying 12 Beechraft Texan Trainers. The UK. is also buying these trainers which means Argentine pilots will have an idea on the flying skill of UK. pilots.


Video of the light combat airplane - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5T7UVMQ_JbQ

Just because they'll both be training on T-6s does not mean that they'll "have an idea" of the flying skill. The T-6 is built for teaching Flying 101, simple things like take-off, landing, basic navigation and, instrument flight. Things like air combat are taught to pilots on different aircraft and are more dependent on the people teaching it than the actual planes. I'm doubtful that the Argentinian Air Force has the same level of knowledge and resources to devote to training as the RAF.

In addition a large factor in pilot skill is the amount of time that the pilots fly annually after they train. I don't have the numbers for but I'm doubtful that Argentina can afford to give its pilots the same amount of annual flying hours as RAF combat pilots.

As for the planes that they'd actually be flying in combat if Falklands 2.0 were to happen. The current backbone of their force or upgraded A-4 skyhawks, which while a great light attack aircraft, are rather lacking in terms of air to air combat ability. The Argintinian's Skyhawks also lacking in spare parts so they aren't exactly in flying condition. For new aircraft I don't think Argentina has the money to go through with the purchase of the FA-50s (Not to mention that the UK might use diplomatic pressure to block such a sale, FA-50s use American parts), and even if they did manage to buy them the FA-50 is just a jet trainer with a few extra hard points so it can pull double duty as a light attack aircraft. An FA-50 wouldn't stand a chance in a dogfight against the RAF's Typhoons or the F-35Bs that the RN will soon be operating. As for the Mig-29s, I'd put the Mig-29s as a more plausible sale and a more credible threat, but even still I'd place my money on the British coming out on top. They have the better aircraft and better training. I've also seen references to Argentina possibly buying Chinese FC-1s but I don't think they'd fare much better than the others at countering the British fighters.The Argentinian Air Force, like the rest of their military is a pale shadow of their 80s self.

[Risottia]

When it comes to combat airplanes, Argentina was going to buy 15 Mig-29 bombers from Russia.

The MiG-29 is a lightweight multirole fighter (with a focus on short-range interception), not a bomber. It has a 2100 km FERRY (not combat) range with drop tanks (1500 km without). Considering how a trip from Argentina to the Falklands is about 500 km, they hardly place a significant threat to the Falklands and the Eurofighters stationed there.
Unless Argentina is planning to build a carrier, that is - which somewhat I don't see coming right now.

[Nakena]

The argentine Government has neither an true interest nor the means to invade the Falklands.

The argentine military is in a very sorry state, and this is not going to change anytime soon.

[The Alma Mater]

So, to summarise:

1. Argentina does not have nor did it ever have a valid claim on the Falklands.

2. The residents of the Falklands do not want their islands to belong to Argentina.

3. Argentina has no means to invade and conquer them.

Well. I wish all political issues were this easy and clearcut.

[Colbert Super PAC]

The Falklands belong to Sealand!

[Benuty]

The fact we are debating a fiction by a military dictatorship to this day astounds me.