Right Wing Discussion Thread IX: The Right Man's Burden

[Kramania]

The results of this poll are still highly aggravating to me.

Why?

The Allied Powers winning WWI directly led to WWII.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Hey guys, um...
I don't like classifying religious ideology as a political spectrum, but Islamism is still on the right side. And since this is a right wing discussion thread, well...hi I guess?

In the West, it's part of the left coalition due to it being a POC minority culture.

That shouldn't be how a political/politico-religious ideology should be defined, even if marginally.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Why?

The Allied Powers winning WWI directly led to WWII.

I got the Nazis counfused into WW1 for some reason.

[Proctopeo]

The Allied Powers winning WWI directly led to WWII.

I got the Nazis counfused into WW1 for some reason.

Other people confused the Entente for the Allies, including the person who made the poll. They're different, even though some of the countries in the former were in the latter too.

[The Parkus Empire]

Why?

The Allied Powers winning WWI directly led to WWII.

Germany losing lead to them trying again, yep.

[Kramania]

The Allied Powers winning WWI directly led to WWII.

Germany losing lead to them trying again, yep.

Germany losing and being harshly punished by the Allies, coupled with the Great Depression, provided a fertile environment for extremists to take over. These extremists took the form of the Nazis who basically wanted to conquer the world.

[The Parkus Empire]

Germany losing lead to them trying again, yep.

Germany losing and being harshly punished by the Allies, coupled with the Great Depression, provided a fertile environment for extremists to take over. These extremists took the form of the Nazis who basically wanted to conquer the world.

Germany was crippled to stop them from starting the most cataclysmic war of all time *again*. Unfortunately, instead of showing remorse for the Biblical levels of destruction and bloodshed they caused others, Germany decided to invade random countries and kill people again out of indignation over having to pay for a catastrophe they inflicted to proclaim the size of their sabre.

[The East Marches II]

Germany losing and being harshly punished by the Allies, coupled with the Great Depression, provided a fertile environment for extremists to take over. These extremists took the form of the Nazis who basically wanted to conquer the world.

Germany was crippled to stop them from starting the most cataclysmic war of all time *again*. Unfortunately, instead of showing remorse for the Biblical levels of destruction and bloodshed they caused others, Germany decided to invade random countries and kill people again out of indignation over having to pay for a catastrophe they inflicted to proclaim the size of their sabre.

G*rmany's problem was listening to Austrians twice. Its not their fault. Austrians are known to destroy countries when they are incharge of places. See the >H >R >E

[Kramania]

Germany was crippled to stop them from starting the most cataclysmic war of all time *again*.

No, they were crippled so that the Allies could reap the spoils of war.

And Germany didn't start WWI, so really your statement doesn't even pan out.

[Kramania]

Germany was crippled to stop them from starting the most cataclysmic war of all time *again*. Unfortunately, instead of showing remorse for the Biblical levels of destruction and bloodshed they caused others, Germany decided to invade random countries and kill people again out of indignation over having to pay for a catastrophe they inflicted to proclaim the size of their sabre.

G*ermany's problem was listening to Austrians twice. Its not their fault. Austrians are known to destroy countries when they are incharge of places. See the >H >R >E

If the Austrians could have just been allowed to deal with the Serbian menace in peace then none of this would have happened.

[The East Marches II]

G*ermany's problem was listening to Austrians twice. Its not their fault. Austrians are known to destroy countries when they are incharge of places. See the >H >R >E

If the Austrians could have just been allowed to deal with the Serbian menace in peace then none of this would have happened.

Thats true unfortunately. Serbia is and was a terror state. I agree with a paper of the time that if we could simply tow Serbia out to sea and sink it, the world would be better for it.

[Kubumba Tribe]

G*ermany's problem was listening to Austrians twice. Its not their fault. Austrians are known to destroy countries when they are incharge of places. See the >H >R >E

If the Austrians could have just been allowed to deal with the Serbian menace in peace then none of this would have happened.

KInda hard to do that when a Serb terrorist assassinates the Archduke and his wife.

[Kubumba Tribe]

Serbia is a terror state.

Is?

[The East Marches II]

Serbia is a terror state.

Is?

That is its default and natural state :^)

[Kramania]

If the Austrians could have just been allowed to deal with the Serbian menace in peace then none of this would have happened.

Thats true unfortunately. Serbia is and was a terror state. I agree with a paper of the time that if we could simply tow Serbia out to sea and sink it, the world would be better for it.

Oh man I would love to see something like that printed in a paper today.

[The Parkus Empire]

Germany was crippled to stop them from starting the most cataclysmic war of all time *again*.

No, they were crippled so that the Allies could reap the spoils of war.

And Germany didn't start WWI, so really your statement doesn't even pan out.

Yes. Germany intentionally held back the Serbian response to the ultimatum from Austria until after the deadline, because they knew if Austria got it there would be no war.

After WWI Germany should have been Balkanized.

[Kramania]

No, they were crippled so that the Allies could reap the spoils of war.

And Germany didn't start WWI, so really your statement doesn't even pan out.

Yes. Germany intentionally held back the Serbian response to the ultimatum from Austria until after the deadline, because they knew if Austria got it there would be no war.

Uh, no. Germany vowed to support Austria-Hungary in whatever they did. I doubt they knew it would evolve into a war of such magnitude.

After WWI Germany should have been Balkanized.

Right, because that would have been better for the world.

You seem to be forgetting that WWII was a result of WWI and the overly harsh punishments imposed on Germany. How in your mind does punishing Germany even more harshly somehow make anything better?

[Kubumba Tribe]

Is?

That is its default and natural state :^)

That's a little harsh bruv, I haven't read/heard of any atrocities coming out of Serbia lately.

[The East Marches II]

No, they were crippled so that the Allies could reap the spoils of war.

And Germany didn't start WWI, so really your statement doesn't even pan out.

Yes. Germany intentionally held back the Serbian response to the ultimatum from Austria until after the deadline, because they knew if Austria got it there would be no war.

After WWI Germany should have been Balkanized.

You are thinking of the reply for mediation. Austria rejected Serbia's disingenuous counter-offer and prepared to deliver justice.

[The East Marches II]

That is its default and natural state :^)

That's a little harsh bruv, I haven't read/heard of any atrocities coming out of Serbia lately.

Ok, maybe it was a little harsh I will admit.

[The Parkus Empire]

Yes. Germany intentionally held back the Serbian response to the ultimatum from Austria until after the deadline, because they knew if Austria got it there would be no war.

Uh, no. Germany vowed to support Austria-Hungary in whatever they did. I doubt they knew it would evolve into a war of such magnitude.

After WWI Germany should have been Balkanized.

Right, because that would have been better for the world.

You seem to be forgetting that WWII was a result of WWI and the overly harsh punishments imposed on Germany. How in your mind does punishing Germany even more harshly somehow make anything better?

Yes, Wilhelm absolutely knew and wanted it. Wilhelm has served the devil's purposes better than anyone else in history. He was extremely bloodthirsty, immature, deluded and imperialistic. He desperately wanted to secure the Balkans but knew he needed Austria, and he found the perfect pretense. He had plans to establish empire in the east much prior to the assassination.

Germany punished everyone else! The whole point was to make sure they could never do so again. It's also absurd to look at the depression as Germany being punished when everyone else was going through it. Germany during the 1920's was punished, yes: it's called reparations. For the magnitude of the war, Germany was left pretty decent in the 20's

[The Parkus Empire]

Yes. Germany intentionally held back the Serbian response to the ultimatum from Austria until after the deadline, because they knew if Austria got it there would be no war.

After WWI Germany should have been Balkanized.

You are thinking of the reply for mediation. Austria rejected Serbia's disingenuous counter-offer and prepared to deliver justice.

Austria didn't get the reply until after the deadline. The Austrian representative was deliberately given the run around and kept waiting in Germany until after the deadline and Austria declared war.

[Kramania]

Uh, no. Germany vowed to support Austria-Hungary in whatever they did. I doubt they knew it would evolve into a war of such magnitude.


Right, because that would have been better for the world.

You seem to be forgetting that WWII was a result of WWI and the overly harsh punishments imposed on Germany. How in your mind does punishing Germany even more harshly somehow make anything better?

Yes, Wilhelm absolutely knew and wanted it. Wilhelm has served the devil's purposes better than anyone else in history. He was extremely bloodthirsty, immature, deluded and imperialistic. He desperately wanted to secure the Balkans but knew he needed Austria, and he found the perfect pretense. He had plans to establish empire in the east much prior to the assassination.

Okay, slow down. You're going a bit overboard here. "The devil's purposes"? Wilhelm was an awful diplomat, but I seriously doubt he intended to start a global war over the Balkans. And he didn't even start it. You can blame Russia for rallying to Serbia's aid once Austria-Hungary got tired of their nonsense.

Germany punished everyone else! The whole point was to make sure they could never do so again. It's also absurd to look at the depression as Germany being punished when everyone else was going through it. Germany during the 1920's was punished, yes: it's called reparations. For the magnitude of the war, Germany was left pretty decent in the 20's

And look at how fucking well that worked out. You're really not understanding that trying to punish Germany was precisely what led to WWII.

Also, truthfully, the Allies punished Germany because they wanted the spoils of war that they had been so desperately waiting for since the war began. The US was the only one that actually wanted to bring a fair end to the war.

[The East Marches II]

You are thinking of the reply for mediation. Austria rejected Serbia's disingenuous counter-offer and prepared to deliver justice.

Austria didn't get the reply until after the deadline. The Austrian representative was deliberately given the run around and kept waiting in Germany until after the deadline and Austria declared war.

Proofs? I thought the Austrians declared that the reply was insufficient for not meeting their very reasonable terms.

[Salus Maior]

Why?

The Allied Powers winning WWI directly led to WWII.

To be honest, I think regardless of the outcome a second world war was inevitable.

At the very least, either way Japan's Imperial ambitions weren't exactly slowing down, and Italy won alongside the allies.