Right Wing Discussion Thread IX: The Right Man's Burden

[Conserative Morality]

What did you agree and disagree on with Hamon?

Agreed on immigration issues, the economy, foreign and social policy.

Disagreed on universal conscription and affirmitive action quotas.

[Baltenstein]

What did you agree and disagree on with Hamon?

And the test isn't very good. It presents the questions in a very odd way. For example, for the niqab, it asks about civic ceremonies (as was the issue in Canada), but the niqab ban applies to being in public, period. And its reversal is not supported by anyone save for the ultra-minority Trotskyist candidates, so choosing yes (as most Anglo-Saxon liberals would) would factor in for your choice for a Trotskyist, which even Anglo-Saxon liberals wouldn't support.
EDIT: Or on gay marriage, "Take the government out of marriage and instead make it a religious decision" is an Anglo-Saxon position and is supported by literally no one in France, where the only legally recognized marriage is a civil marriage organized by the State..

"Anglo-Saxon"? What year is this, 660 CE? I think the word you're looking for is "Anglophone".

It's a French thing; trying to get them to stop using that word is pretty pointless.

[The Salian Realm]

Macron is in the second round, of course. And my results were closest to him and the Socialists.

[Danceria]

An American with little to know understanding of what the hell is happening in France (eg, construction of some airport, nuclear energy, and whatnot) and his results

[Olerand]

Has anyone taken the ISideWith quiz for the French presidential election? Marine Le Pen was the candidate closest to my views, followed by Nicolas Dupont-Aignan and then by Emmanuel Macron. Oddly, though, in terms of parties I apparently match up closest with Debout la France (France Arise), Dupont-Aignan's party. Front National was all the way down at 6th place. To be fair this isn't hugely surprising given that I have always found that I have always somewhat admired Gaullism, which Debout la France apparently champions, despite de Gaulle's enthusiasm for republicanism. Meanwhile Front National does have a reputation for being more extreme than its leader.

Oh, and I took the 8values quiz, too; I got Theocratic Distributism, which isn't too far off my actual views. My results. I posted about it in this thread.

I got Mélenchon and Hamon as my highest result - both 57%
Macron was in the upper-middle at 41%, while Fillon and Le Pen were last at 17 and 18 percent.
Of Mélenchon and Hamon, I'd be more inclined to vote Mélenchon, but only because he's the major candidate of the pair, and would have been more likely to get into the second round. I don't know enough about Hamon's politics (or any other of the more minor nominees) one way or the other to know who I would have preferred of the two.

And fortunately, now, you never need to ever again. Hopefully Hamon and his ilk will go back to the desert and reflect. 5 years of sabotaging the government, 6% in the vote. A fitting end.

Like it or not, an american destiny is at your shores.

god help the EU, for i know i wont.

Joy oh joy... Between Islamism and Americanism, can I choose death?

What did you agree and disagree on with Hamon?

And the test isn't very good. It presents the questions in a very odd way. For example, for the niqab, it asks about civic ceremonies (as was the issue in Canada), but the niqab ban applies to being in public, period. And its reversal is not supported by anyone save for the ultra-minority Trotskyist candidates, so choosing yes (as most Anglo-Saxon liberals would) would factor in for your choice for a Trotskyist, which even Anglo-Saxon liberals wouldn't support.
EDIT: Or on gay marriage, "Take the government out of marriage and instead make it a religious decision" is an Anglo-Saxon position and is supported by literally no one in France, where the only legally recognized marriage is a civil marriage organized by the State..

"Anglo-Saxon"? What year is this, 660 CE? I think the word you're looking for is "Anglophone".

Anglo-Saxon is how we on the Continent refer to the English-speaking nations' way of life and worldview, etc. Anglo-Saxon contemporary meanings:

Outside Anglophone countries, both in Europe and in the rest of the world, the term Anglo-Saxon and its direct translations are used to refer to the Anglophone peoples and societies of Britain, the United States, and other countries such as Australia, Canada and New Zealand – areas which are sometimes referred to as the Anglosphere. The term Anglo-Saxon can be used in a variety of contexts, often to identify the English-speaking world's distinctive language, culture, technology, wealth, markets, economy, and legal systems. Variations include the German "Angelsachsen", French "Anglo-Saxon", Spanish "anglosajón", Portuguese "Anglo-saxão", Russian "англосаксы", Polish "anglosaksoński", Italian "anglosassone", Catalan "anglosaxó" and Japanese "Angurosakuson". As with the English-language use of the term, what constitutes the "Anglo-Saxon" varies from speaker to speaker.

From the French dictionary Larousse:
Qui relève des peuples de civilisation britannique.
English: That which relates to the people of the British civilization.

[Olerand]

Has anyone taken the ISideWith quiz for the French presidential election? Marine Le Pen was the candidate closest to my views, followed by Nicolas Dupont-Aignan and then by Emmanuel Macron. Oddly, though, in terms of parties I apparently match up closest with Debout la France (France Arise), Dupont-Aignan's party. Front National was all the way down at 6th place. To be fair this isn't hugely surprising given that I have always found that I have always somewhat admired Gaullism, which Debout la France apparently champions, despite de Gaulle's enthusiasm for republicanism. Meanwhile Front National does have a reputation for being more extreme than its leader.

Oh, and I took the 8values quiz, too; I got Theocratic Distributism, which isn't too far off my actual views. My results. I posted about it in this thread.

I got:

75 % Macron
68 % Fillon
56 % Hamon
51 % Melenchon
43 % MLP

I'm somewhat surprised there weren't more questions on France's relationship with the EU though.

Not a big topic, surprisingly. Very vague opposition and desire for reform from everyone but Macron, who's the most pro-EU.

What did you agree and disagree on with Hamon?

Agreed on immigration issues, the economy, foreign and social policy.

Disagreed on universal conscription and affirmitive action quotas.

Ah. You agreed with all that is bad, and disagreed with what is good. Unfortunate. Fortunately he's not relevant anymore.

There appears to be mistakes in the test too. It says Macron is opposed to the TTIP, but he is the only one not opposed. So... Or at least his voters are opposed... But he is not.

[The Salian Realm]

I became leftist in America again, after being centrist in la France. Oh well, c'est la vie...

[Conserative Morality]

Ah. You agreed with all that is bad, and disagreed with what is good. Unfortunate. Fortunately he's not relevant anymore.

There are appears to be mistakes in the test too. It says Macron is opposed to the TTIP, but he is the only one not opposed. So... Or at least his voters are opposed... But he is not.

While I expected such a response on immigration from a European, what exactly is the problem with labor unions, equal pay, ignoring online 'currencies', and subsidizations to maintain market stability? Or staying in the UN, increasing foreign aid, and not conducting preemptive strikes against NK? Or maintaining the legalization of same-sex marriage, allowing women in combat roles, assisted suicide, and opposition to the death penalty?

[Baltenstein]

Outside Anglophone countries, both in Europe and in the rest of the world, the term Anglo-Saxon and its direct translations are used to refer to the Anglophone peoples and societies of Britain, the United States, and other countries such as Australia, Canada and New Zealand – areas which are sometimes referred to as the Anglosphere. The term Anglo-Saxon can be used in a variety of contexts, often to identify the English-speaking world's distinctive language, culture, technology, wealth, markets, economy, and legal systems. Variations include the German "Angelsachsen", French "Anglo-Saxon", Spanish "anglosajón", Portuguese "Anglo-saxão", Russian "англосаксы", Polish "anglosaksoński", Italian "anglosassone", Catalan "anglosaxó" and Japanese "Angurosakuson". As with the English-language use of the term, what constitutes the "Anglo-Saxon" varies from speaker to speaker.

I don't know about the other countries, but "Angelsachsen" is very rarely used as a reference to the English-speaking countries in the German political discourse these days - the term "Anglo-Amerikaner" is much more mainstream and commonly accepted.

When the term "Angelsachsen" is used to make a point about the English-speaking countries, it's almost always with a slight "tsk, tsk, too much market liberalism and cultural relativism is bad for your health, kids" connotation.
Which I supsect is the default French view of the Anglosphere.

[Old Tyrannia]

As far as I can tell, "Anglo-Saxon" is a vaguely derogatory term used mainly by the French to disparage English-speaking countries which they incorrectly assume are all basically the same.

[Olerand]

Ah. You agreed with all that is bad, and disagreed with what is good. Unfortunate. Fortunately he's not relevant anymore.

There are appears to be mistakes in the test too. It says Macron is opposed to the TTIP, but he is the only one not opposed. So... Or at least his voters are opposed... But he is not.

While I expected such a response on immigration from a European, what exactly is the problem with labor unions, equal pay, ignoring online 'currencies', and subsidizations to maintain market stability? Or staying in the UN, increasing foreign aid, and not conducting preemptive strikes against NK? Or maintaining the legalization of same-sex marriage, allowing women in combat roles, assisted suicide, and opposition to the death penalty?

Nothing is wrong with any of those things, except for the online currencies part.
But those are not exclusive to Hamon's program, most are in fact almost in everyone's program. I presumed you were asked about, and supported, his leading propositions, such as the universal income and other such monstrosities.

Outside Anglophone countries, both in Europe and in the rest of the world, the term Anglo-Saxon and its direct translations are used to refer to the Anglophone peoples and societies of Britain, the United States, and other countries such as Australia, Canada and New Zealand – areas which are sometimes referred to as the Anglosphere. The term Anglo-Saxon can be used in a variety of contexts, often to identify the English-speaking world's distinctive language, culture, technology, wealth, markets, economy, and legal systems. Variations include the German "Angelsachsen", French "Anglo-Saxon", Spanish "anglosajón", Portuguese "Anglo-saxão", Russian "англосаксы", Polish "anglosaksoński", Italian "anglosassone", Catalan "anglosaxó" and Japanese "Angurosakuson". As with the English-language use of the term, what constitutes the "Anglo-Saxon" varies from speaker to speaker.

I don't know about the other countries, but "Angelsachsen" is very rarely used as a reference to the English-speaking countries in the German political discourse these days - the term "Anglo-Amerikaner" is much more mainstream and commonly accepted.

When the term "Angelsachsen" is used to make a point about the English-speaking countries, it's almost always with a slight "tsk, tsk, too much market liberalism and cultural relativism is bad for your health, kids" connotation.
Which I supsect is the default French view of the Anglosphere.

So you do use it, you just call it Anglo-American. We call it Anglo-Saxon because... I guess we don't recognize the Norman invasion because... Britain turned out so different anyway I guess. We're trying to cut all historic ties maybe?

As far as I can tell, "Anglo-Saxon" is a vaguely derogatory term used mainly by the French to disparage English-speaking countries which they incorrectly assume are all basically the same.

Not derogatory, just descriptive. There are traits that the Anglo world does share, objectively. The market for one.

EDIT: Here is the Telegraph, hardly an organization that will derogatorily critique the Anglo world, explaining the Anglo-Saxon economic model.

[Conserative Morality]

Nothing is wrong with any of those things, except for the online currencies part.

Bitcoin is legendarily dumb, like some gold bugs got upset about fiat currency and decided to make a 'point' with their own currency which completely misses the point of fiat which was taken seriously and enthusiastically by economically illiterate online libertarians.

But those are not exclusive to Hamon's program, most are in fact almost in everyone's program. I presumed you were asked about, and supported, his leading propositions, such as the universal income and other such monstrosities.

Just going off the quiz m80, though I do support a UBI or negative income tax.

[Napkiraly]

Has anyone taken the ISideWith quiz for the French presidential election? Marine Le Pen was the candidate closest to my views, followed by Nicolas Dupont-Aignan and then by Emmanuel Macron. Oddly, though, in terms of parties I apparently match up closest with Debout la France (France Arise), Dupont-Aignan's party. Front National was all the way down at 6th place. To be fair this isn't hugely surprising given that I have always found that I have always somewhat admired Gaullism, which Debout la France apparently champions, despite de Gaulle's enthusiasm for republicanism. Meanwhile Front National does have a reputation for being more extreme than its leader.

Oh, and I took the 8values quiz, too; I got Theocratic Distributism, which isn't too far off my actual views. My results. I posted about it in this thread.

I side mainly with some chap named Nicolas Dupont-Aignan the most. Macron, Le Pen, and Fillon are all pretty much neck in neck for 2nd place.

[Thermodolia]

Nothing is wrong with any of those things, except for the online currencies part.

Bitcoin is legendarily dumb, like some gold bugs got upset about fiat currency and decided to make a 'point' with their own currency which completely misses the point of fiat which was taken seriously and enthusiastically by economically illiterate online libertarians.

But those are not exclusive to Hamon's program, most are in fact almost in everyone's program. I presumed you were asked about, and supported, his leading propositions, such as the universal income and other such monstrosities.

Just going off the quiz m80, though I do support a UBI or negative income tax.

Though I wish I had got some of those bitcoins in the beginning. My money troubles would be overwith

[Thermodolia]

Has anyone taken the ISideWith quiz for the French presidential election? Marine Le Pen was the candidate closest to my views, followed by Nicolas Dupont-Aignan and then by Emmanuel Macron. Oddly, though, in terms of parties I apparently match up closest with Debout la France (France Arise), Dupont-Aignan's party. Front National was all the way down at 6th place. To be fair this isn't hugely surprising given that I have always found that I have always somewhat admired Gaullism, which Debout la France apparently champions, despite de Gaulle's enthusiasm for republicanism. Meanwhile Front National does have a reputation for being more extreme than its leader.

Oh, and I took the 8values quiz, too; I got Theocratic Distributism, which isn't too far off my actual views. My results. I posted about it in this thread.

I side mainly with some chap named Nicolas Dupont-Aignan the most. Macron, Le Pen, and Fillon are all pretty much neck in neck for 2nd place.

What surprised me was that Mélenchon was 2nd in my line up

[Napkiraly]

Almost all of the time I ever see "Anglo-Saxon" being used by French speakers is in a very "tsk-tsk" manner even if they are being descriptive.
If they are being descriptive in a positive manner, they usually refer to the individual country, Anglosphere, or "English-speaking".

[United Muscovite Nations]

If the United States were to have a Constitutional Convention and select a monarch, what dynasty should be made the reigning dynasty? Washingtons? Jeffersons? Roosevelts?

[Napkiraly]

I side mainly with some chap named Nicolas Dupont-Aignan the most. Macron, Le Pen, and Fillon are all pretty much neck in neck for 2nd place.

What surprised me was that Mélenchon was 2nd in my line up

Melenchon is a leftist but a rather nationalistic one at that.

[Napkiraly]

If the United States were to have a Constitutional Convention and select a monarch, what dynasty should be made the reigning dynasty? Washingtons? Jeffersons? Roosevelts?

House of Windsor.

[Kekonistan]

If the United States were to have a Constitutional Convention and select a monarch, what dynasty should be made the reigning dynasty? Washingtons? Jeffersons? Roosevelts?

Hoppe

[Conserative Morality]

If the United States were to have a Constitutional Convention and select a monarch, what dynasty should be made the reigning dynasty? Washingtons? Jeffersons? Roosevelts?

The House of Law.

We owe no allegiance, we bow to no throne,
Our ruler is law and the law is our own;
Our leaders themselves are our own fellow-men,
Who can handle the sword and the scythe and the pen

If we *had* to, I'd go with the House of Norton.

[Olerand]

Nothing is wrong with any of those things, except for the online currencies part.

Bitcoin is legendarily dumb, like some gold bugs got upset about fiat currency and decided to make a 'point' with their own currency which completely misses the point of fiat which was taken seriously and enthusiastically by economically illiterate online libertarians.

But those are not exclusive to Hamon's program, most are in fact almost in everyone's program. I presumed you were asked about, and supported, his leading propositions, such as the universal income and other such monstrosities.

Just going off the quiz m80, though I do support a UBI or negative income tax.

Wait. I misread your ignore before the online currencies. I fully support ignoring them, I thought you did not. This isn't really an issue in French politics so I mistook Hamon's position too, and he would be the one to advocate for recognizing them if he even has a position on this.

Which is not good. We can't afford a UBI, and that was Hamon's leading proposition. It is stupid.

[Thermodolia]

What surprised me was that Mélenchon was 2nd in my line up

Melenchon is a leftist but a rather nationalistic one at that.

Well I did vote with somewhat of a nationalistic bent

[Neo Balka]

House roosevelt.

[Thermodolia]

If the United States were to have a Constitutional Convention and select a monarch, what dynasty should be made the reigning dynasty? Washingtons? Jeffersons? Roosevelts?

None at least while I'm alive