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Was the Reformation a good thing?

1 - Yes.
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2 - Neutral.
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3 - No.
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Postby Hakons » Sat Apr 29, 2017 8:27 pm

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The midwest is anti modern liberalism. For a while, it was a bastion of populism and Democrats, especially in MN, WI, MI, and IA. Because they're white, working class, populists. The neoliberal liberals made them feel disenfranchised, hence their massive swing for Trump, even in counties that have voted Democratic straight ticket since the 1910s.


This is generally true in other regions as well, such as the region of Pennsylvania where I live (Northeastern PA is part of the "Rust Belt").


It has happened all of the nation. Democrats are driving basically meaningless social issues that effect very few people and are forgetting the working class. Longtime Democratic regions, like rural Wisconsin, eastern Kentucky, and West Virginia have all shifted to the right. If we go a little further back, plains states like Kansas used to be hot beds for leftism. The Democratic party used to fight for the common worker, for the unions, and now they just pander to minorities.
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Postby Hakons » Sat Apr 29, 2017 8:41 pm

Old Tyrannia wrote:Has anyone taken the ISideWith quiz for the French presidential election? Marine Le Pen was the candidate closest to my views, followed by Nicolas Dupont-Aignan and then by Emmanuel Macron. Oddly, though, in terms of parties I apparently match up closest with Debout la France (France Arise), Dupont-Aignan's party. Front National was all the way down at 6th place. To be fair this isn't hugely surprising given that I have always found that I have always somewhat admired Gaullism, which Debout la France apparently champions, despite de Gaulle's enthusiasm for republicanism. Meanwhile Front National does have a reputation for being more extreme than its leader.

Oh, and I took the 8values quiz, too; I got Theocratic Distributism, which isn't too far off my actual views. My results. I posted about it in this thread.


68% with Christian Democrats :)

Sadly, En Marche! is next at 52%
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Postby Kekonistan » Sun Apr 30, 2017 12:06 pm

A Democrat is a Democrat, ie they adhere to ''the popular opinion'' (or perceived such) as opposed to the values of the constitution as by default Republicans.

Hence, the Democrats are anti-constitutional and a threat to Freedom
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Postby Northern Davincia » Sun Apr 30, 2017 1:03 pm

Kekonistan wrote:A Democrat is a Democrat, ie they adhere to ''the popular opinion'' (or perceived such) as opposed to the values of the constitution as by default Republicans.

Hence, the Democrats are anti-constitutional and a threat to Freedom

Neoconservative and populist Republicans hardly appreciate the constitution.
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Postby Husseinarti » Sun Apr 30, 2017 1:50 pm

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Do I get ushanka now?

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Postby The Liberated Territories » Sun Apr 30, 2017 2:18 pm

Husseinarti wrote:
The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord wrote:
Do I get ushanka now?

/sarcasm


You get that AND, in a one time deal, a free helicopter ride!


Free? What are you, a goddam commie?
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Postby Olerand » Sun Apr 30, 2017 2:20 pm

Hakons wrote:
Old Tyrannia wrote:Has anyone taken the ISideWith quiz for the French presidential election? Marine Le Pen was the candidate closest to my views, followed by Nicolas Dupont-Aignan and then by Emmanuel Macron. Oddly, though, in terms of parties I apparently match up closest with Debout la France (France Arise), Dupont-Aignan's party. Front National was all the way down at 6th place. To be fair this isn't hugely surprising given that I have always found that I have always somewhat admired Gaullism, which Debout la France apparently champions, despite de Gaulle's enthusiasm for republicanism. Meanwhile Front National does have a reputation for being more extreme than its leader.

Oh, and I took the 8values quiz, too; I got Theocratic Distributism, which isn't too far off my actual views. My results. I posted about it in this thread.


68% with Christian Democrats :)

Sadly, En Marche! is next at 52%

The Christian Democrats :lol2:

I love the praying cow, I really do. I was heartbroken when she retired.
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Postby Hakons » Sun Apr 30, 2017 2:26 pm

Olerand wrote:
Hakons wrote:
68% with Christian Democrats :)

Sadly, En Marche! is next at 52%

The Christian Democrats :lol2:

I love the praying cow, I really do. I was heartbroken when she retired.


I don't know enough about French politics to know the Christian Democratic leader. :p It's just that my answers matched the most with Christian Democrats.
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Postby Olerand » Sun Apr 30, 2017 2:31 pm

Hakons wrote:
Olerand wrote:The Christian Democrats :lol2:

I love the praying cow, I really do. I was heartbroken when she retired.


I don't know enough about French politics to know the Christian Democratic leader. :p It's just that my answers matched the most with Christian Democrats.

The Christian Democratic Party was founded by Christine Boutin, who is genuinely one of the funniest figures in French politics. Not because she is funny by intent of course.

She once showcased the Bible in the National Assembly during the debates on the PACS in 1999, and got widely reprimanded for it. Another session for that same debate, she confronted the PM Lionel Jospin and broke down in tears when he called her marginal and outrageous, all as the woman ministers laughed at her theatrics.

Recently she released a (very good) book of some of the caricatures that have been made of her. My (and her) favorite is the take on the laughing cow, the famous cheese, re-branded as the praying cow for Christine.
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She's also married to her cousin :lol2:
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Postby Aelex » Sun Apr 30, 2017 2:41 pm

Olerand wrote:The Christian Democratic Party was founded by Christine Boutin, who is genuinely one of the funniest figures in French politics. Not because she is funny by intent of course.

She once showcased the Bible in the National Assembly during the debates on the PACS in 1999, and got widely reprimanded for it. Another session for that same debate, she confronted the PM Lionel Jospin and broke down in tears when he called her marginal and outrageous, all as the woman ministers laughed at her theatrics.

Recently she released a (very good) book of some of the caricatures that have been made of her. My (and her) favorite is the take on the laughing cow, the famous cheese, re-branded as the praying cow for Christine.

She's also married to her cousin :lol2:

Indeed, even on the web she's considered to be quite of a lolcow to the point she has even got her own parodic theme song. ;^)

Morano is the best when it comes to being involuntarily funny, tho. Every time she open her mouth, she manage to create a new meme. It's just magnificent.
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Postby Olerand » Sun Apr 30, 2017 2:51 pm

Aelex wrote:
Olerand wrote:The Christian Democratic Party was founded by Christine Boutin, who is genuinely one of the funniest figures in French politics. Not because she is funny by intent of course.

She once showcased the Bible in the National Assembly during the debates on the PACS in 1999, and got widely reprimanded for it. Another session for that same debate, she confronted the PM Lionel Jospin and broke down in tears when he called her marginal and outrageous, all as the woman ministers laughed at her theatrics.

Recently she released a (very good) book of some of the caricatures that have been made of her. My (and her) favorite is the take on the laughing cow, the famous cheese, re-branded as the praying cow for Christine.

She's also married to her cousin :lol2:

Indeed, even on the web she's considered to be quite of a lolcow to the point she has even got her own parodic theme song. ;^)

Morano is the best when it comes to being involuntarily funny, tho. Every time she open her mouth, she manage to create a new meme. It's just magnificent.

Oh my God.
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I genuinely forgot about her "fainting" at LMPT. :lol2:

As for Morano... Uh... Honestly, when Christine speaks, I can laugh; when Morano speaks... I'm embarrassed. I understand that she comes from a working class background from Nancy and she's a Sarkozyste, and I don't want to be classist, or regionalist, or sexist or any other -ist but... She's just embarrassing.
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Postby Aelex » Sun Apr 30, 2017 3:07 pm

Olerand wrote:Oh my God.

I genuinely forgot about her "fainting" at LMPT. :lol2:

As for Morano... Uh... Honestly, when Christine speaks, I can laugh; when Morano speaks... I'm embarrassed. I understand that she comes from a working class background from Nancy and she's a Sarkozyste, and I don't want to be classist, or regionalist, or sexist or any other -ist but... She's just embarrassing.

Well, that's true but nonetheless her pearls are wonderful to behold : "I'm not racist, I've got arabs friends and my best friend is tchadienne and thus blacker than an arab!".
I mean, it's just too good, you simply can't invent it! :lol2:
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Postby Kekonistan » Mon May 01, 2017 10:33 am

Hakons wrote:
Old Tyrannia wrote:Has anyone taken the ISideWith quiz for the French presidential election? Marine Le Pen was the candidate closest to my views, followed by Nicolas Dupont-Aignan and then by Emmanuel Macron. Oddly, though, in terms of parties I apparently match up closest with Debout la France (France Arise), Dupont-Aignan's party. Front National was all the way down at 6th place. To be fair this isn't hugely surprising given that I have always found that I have always somewhat admired Gaullism, which Debout la France apparently champions, despite de Gaulle's enthusiasm for republicanism. Meanwhile Front National does have a reputation for being more extreme than its leader.

Oh, and I took the 8values quiz, too; I got Theocratic Distributism, which isn't too far off my actual views. My results. I posted about it in this thread.


68% with Christian Democrats :)

Sadly, En Marche! is next at 52%

Le Pen at 63%

French Crusade when? :^)
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Postby Conserative Morality » Mon May 01, 2017 10:54 am

Old Tyrannia wrote:Has anyone taken the ISideWith quiz for the French presidential election? Marine Le Pen was the candidate closest to my views, followed by Nicolas Dupont-Aignan and then by Emmanuel Macron. Oddly, though, in terms of parties I apparently match up closest with Debout la France (France Arise), Dupont-Aignan's party. Front National was all the way down at 6th place. To be fair this isn't hugely surprising given that I have always found that I have always somewhat admired Gaullism, which Debout la France apparently champions, despite de Gaulle's enthusiasm for republicanism. Meanwhile Front National does have a reputation for being more extreme than its leader.

Oh, and I took the 8values quiz, too; I got Theocratic Distributism, which isn't too far off my actual views. My results. I posted about it in this thread.

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Postby Neo Balka » Mon May 01, 2017 11:03 am

Kekonistan wrote:
Hakons wrote:
68% with Christian Democrats :)

Sadly, En Marche! is next at 52%

Le Pen at 63%

French Crusade when? :^)


Your sacred american allies are on the way.
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Postby Olerand » Mon May 01, 2017 11:04 am

Conserative Morality wrote:
Old Tyrannia wrote:Has anyone taken the ISideWith quiz for the French presidential election? Marine Le Pen was the candidate closest to my views, followed by Nicolas Dupont-Aignan and then by Emmanuel Macron. Oddly, though, in terms of parties I apparently match up closest with Debout la France (France Arise), Dupont-Aignan's party. Front National was all the way down at 6th place. To be fair this isn't hugely surprising given that I have always found that I have always somewhat admired Gaullism, which Debout la France apparently champions, despite de Gaulle's enthusiasm for republicanism. Meanwhile Front National does have a reputation for being more extreme than its leader.

Oh, and I took the 8values quiz, too; I got Theocratic Distributism, which isn't too far off my actual views. My results. I posted about it in this thread.

60% Hamon
59% Macron and Melenchon

What did you agree and disagree on with Hamon?

And the test isn't very good. It presents the questions in a very odd way. For example, for the niqab, it asks about civic ceremonies (as was the issue in Canada), but the niqab ban applies to being in public, period. And its reversal is not supported by anyone save for the ultra-minority Trotskyist candidates, so choosing yes (as most Anglo-Saxon liberals would) would factor in for your choice for a Trotskyist, which even Anglo-Saxon liberals wouldn't support.
EDIT: Or on gay marriage, "Take the government out of marriage and instead make it a religious decision" is an Anglo-Saxon position and is supported by literally no one in France, where the only legally recognized marriage is a civil marriage organized by the State.

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Kekonistan wrote:Le Pen at 63%

French Crusade when? :^)


Your sacred american allies are on the way.

He's Dutch, you can leave us out of this.
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Postby The Grene Knyght » Mon May 01, 2017 11:07 am

Old Tyrannia wrote:Has anyone taken the ISideWith quiz for the French presidential election? Marine Le Pen was the candidate closest to my views, followed by Nicolas Dupont-Aignan and then by Emmanuel Macron. Oddly, though, in terms of parties I apparently match up closest with Debout la France (France Arise), Dupont-Aignan's party. Front National was all the way down at 6th place. To be fair this isn't hugely surprising given that I have always found that I have always somewhat admired Gaullism, which Debout la France apparently champions, despite de Gaulle's enthusiasm for republicanism. Meanwhile Front National does have a reputation for being more extreme than its leader.

Oh, and I took the 8values quiz, too; I got Theocratic Distributism, which isn't too far off my actual views. My results. I posted about it in this thread.

I got Mélenchon and Hamon as my highest result - both 57%
Macron was in the upper-middle at 41%, while Fillon and Le Pen were last at 17 and 18 percent.
Of Mélenchon and Hamon, I'd be more inclined to vote Mélenchon, but only because he's the major candidate of the pair, and would have been more likely to get into the second round. I don't know enough about Hamon's politics (or any other of the more minor nominees) one way or the other to know who I would have preferred of the two.
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Postby Neo Balka » Mon May 01, 2017 11:07 am

Like it or not, an american destiny is at your shores.

god help the EU, for i know i wont.
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Postby Kekonistan » Mon May 01, 2017 11:08 am

Neo Balka wrote:Like it or not, an american destiny is at your shores.

god help the EU, for i know i wont.

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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Mon May 01, 2017 11:10 am

Neo Balka wrote:Like it or not, an american destiny is at your shores.

god help the EU, for i know i wont.

But, Balk, we haven't balanced our budget yet.
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Postby Danceria » Mon May 01, 2017 11:12 am

Kekonistan wrote:
Neo Balka wrote:Like it or not, an american destiny is at your shores.

god help the EU, for i know i wont.

Manifest White Destiny

But anon, what about America First?
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Postby Kekonistan » Mon May 01, 2017 11:14 am

Danceria wrote:
Kekonistan wrote:Manifest White Destiny

But anon, what about America First?

America IS the white nation :^)
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Postby Conscentia » Mon May 01, 2017 11:17 am

Olerand wrote:What did you agree and disagree on with Hamon?

And the test isn't very good. It presents the questions in a very odd way. For example, for the niqab, it asks about civic ceremonies (as was the issue in Canada), but the niqab ban applies to being in public, period. And its reversal is not supported by anyone save for the ultra-minority Trotskyist candidates, so choosing yes (as most Anglo-Saxon liberals would) would factor in for your choice for a Trotskyist, which even Anglo-Saxon liberals wouldn't support.
EDIT: Or on gay marriage, "Take the government out of marriage and instead make it a religious decision" is an Anglo-Saxon position and is supported by literally no one in France, where the only legally recognized marriage is a civil marriage organized by the State..

"Anglo-Saxon"? What year is this, 660 CE? I think the word you're looking for is "Anglophone".

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Postby Danceria » Mon May 01, 2017 11:17 am

Kekonistan wrote:
Danceria wrote:But anon, what about America First?

America IS the white nation :^)

> 54%
> White

I suppose it's better than nothing though...

>inb4 mods shut this thread down for planning practical genocide, because it's not genociding people of lower melanin content.
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Postby Baltenstein » Mon May 01, 2017 11:18 am

Old Tyrannia wrote:Has anyone taken the ISideWith quiz for the French presidential election? Marine Le Pen was the candidate closest to my views, followed by Nicolas Dupont-Aignan and then by Emmanuel Macron. Oddly, though, in terms of parties I apparently match up closest with Debout la France (France Arise), Dupont-Aignan's party. Front National was all the way down at 6th place. To be fair this isn't hugely surprising given that I have always found that I have always somewhat admired Gaullism, which Debout la France apparently champions, despite de Gaulle's enthusiasm for republicanism. Meanwhile Front National does have a reputation for being more extreme than its leader.

Oh, and I took the 8values quiz, too; I got Theocratic Distributism, which isn't too far off my actual views. My results. I posted about it in this thread.


I got:

75 % Macron
68 % Fillon
56 % Hamon
51 % Melenchon
43 % MLP

I'm somewhat surprised there weren't more questions on France's relationship with the EU though.
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