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Was the Reformation a good thing?

1 - Yes.
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2 - Neutral.
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3 - No.
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Thermodolia
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Postby Thermodolia » Sat Apr 29, 2017 1:48 pm

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This is generally true in other regions as well, such as the region of Pennsylvania where I live (Northeastern PA is part of the "Rust Belt").


If the Dems want to retain their seats in red states and also pick up House Seats in 2018, they too have to strike a populist image. Otherwise we'll see the GOP continue to destroy this fucking country.

Ossoff is kinda sorta doing just that. Saying that both parties don't work for the people really helps
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Postby Husseinarti » Sat Apr 29, 2017 1:49 pm

We should just put the party heads on both sides to the rope and restart from the ground up with mid and lower level politicians on both sides.
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Thermodolia
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Postby Thermodolia » Sat Apr 29, 2017 1:50 pm

Husseinarti wrote:We should just put the party heads on both sides to the rope and restart from the ground up with mid and lower level politicians on both sides.

What counts as party heads?
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Postby Husseinarti » Sat Apr 29, 2017 1:53 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Husseinarti wrote:We should just put the party heads on both sides to the rope and restart from the ground up with mid and lower level politicians on both sides.

What counts as party heads?


idk

just start straight knocking people off until we feel good.
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Thermodolia
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Postby Thermodolia » Sat Apr 29, 2017 1:55 pm

Husseinarti wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:What counts as party heads?


idk

just start straight knocking people off until we feel good.

By that metric half the world needs to go
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Postby Conserative Morality » Sat Apr 29, 2017 2:18 pm

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The V O I D wrote:

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TIL I'm more of a commie than the actual commie.

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Postby Aelex » Sat Apr 29, 2017 2:29 pm

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Conserative Morality wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:
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TIL I'm more of a commie than the actual commie.

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Mother Knows Best State

Postby Dumb Ideologies » Sat Apr 29, 2017 2:45 pm

Ah, flavour of the month test...

https://8values.github.io/results.html? ... 5.8&s=58.1

I've had a fair few accuse me of being far-left or far-right over the years on NSG. Turned out I was just far middle.
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Postby Luminesa » Sat Apr 29, 2017 2:47 pm

Dumb Ideologies wrote:Ah, flavour of the month test...

https://8values.github.io/results.html? ... 5.8&s=58.1

I've had a fair few accuse me of being far-left or far-right over the years on NSG. Turned out I was just far middle.

When I did it I got Christian Democracy.
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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Sat Apr 29, 2017 2:50 pm

Luminesa wrote:
Dumb Ideologies wrote:Ah, flavour of the month test...

https://8values.github.io/results.html? ... 5.8&s=58.1

I've had a fair few accuse me of being far-left or far-right over the years on NSG. Turned out I was just far middle.

When I did it I got Christian Democracy.


I'd be happy just to get an a label one way or the other on any category!
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Old Tyrannia
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Father Knows Best State

Postby Old Tyrannia » Sat Apr 29, 2017 3:39 pm

Has anyone taken the ISideWith quiz for the French presidential election? Marine Le Pen was the candidate closest to my views, followed by Nicolas Dupont-Aignan and then by Emmanuel Macron. Oddly, though, in terms of parties I apparently match up closest with Debout la France (France Arise), Dupont-Aignan's party. Front National was all the way down at 6th place. To be fair this isn't hugely surprising given that I have always found that I have always somewhat admired Gaullism, which Debout la France apparently champions, despite de Gaulle's enthusiasm for republicanism. Meanwhile Front National does have a reputation for being more extreme than its leader.

Oh, and I took the 8values quiz, too; I got Theocratic Distributism, which isn't too far off my actual views. My results. I posted about it in this thread.
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Sat Apr 29, 2017 3:55 pm

Old Tyrannia wrote:Has anyone taken the ISideWith quiz for the French presidential election? Marine Le Pen was the candidate closest to my views, followed by Nicolas Dupont-Aignan and then by Emmanuel Macron. Oddly, though, in terms of parties I apparently match up closest with Debout la France (France Arise), Dupont-Aignan's party. Front National was all the way down at 6th place. To be fair this isn't hugely surprising given that I have always found that I have always somewhat admired Gaullism, which Debout la France apparently champions, despite de Gaulle's enthusiasm for republicanism. Meanwhile Front National does have a reputation for being more extreme than its leader.

Oh, and I took the 8values quiz, too; I got Theocratic Distributism, which isn't too far off my actual views. My results. I posted about it in this thread.

I didn't side with anyone enough to particularly see much similarity. I got 50% for Le Pen, and 49% for Macron.
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Postby Constantinopolis » Sat Apr 29, 2017 4:13 pm

Hey look, UMN. I told you I am a Marxist.

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TL;DR - I'm a centrist on most things but a hardline communist on economics.
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Sat Apr 29, 2017 4:16 pm

Constantinopolis wrote:Hey look, UMN. I told you I am a Marxist.



TL;DR - I'm a centrist on most things but a hardline communist on economics.

I think the test is wrong there, because Marxism is far more complex than an economic policy, and your rejection of DiaMat makes you not a Marxist.
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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Sat Apr 29, 2017 4:16 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Old Tyrannia wrote:Has anyone taken the ISideWith quiz for the French presidential election? Marine Le Pen was the candidate closest to my views, followed by Nicolas Dupont-Aignan and then by Emmanuel Macron. Oddly, though, in terms of parties I apparently match up closest with Debout la France (France Arise), Dupont-Aignan's party. Front National was all the way down at 6th place. To be fair this isn't hugely surprising given that I have always found that I have always somewhat admired Gaullism, which Debout la France apparently champions, despite de Gaulle's enthusiasm for republicanism. Meanwhile Front National does have a reputation for being more extreme than its leader.

Oh, and I took the 8values quiz, too; I got Theocratic Distributism, which isn't too far off my actual views. My results. I posted about it in this thread.

I didn't side with anyone enough to particularly see much similarity. I got 50% for Le Pen, and 49% for Macron.


60% for Le Pen, 54% Macron. Neither much better than a coin toss. Maybe as a Brit there's just a ceiling on how much I can like a Frenchie.
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Postby Soufrika » Sat Apr 29, 2017 4:39 pm

I guess all that's happened to me is rearranging things within the center.
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Postby Constantinopolis » Sat Apr 29, 2017 5:08 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Constantinopolis wrote:Hey look, UMN. I told you I am a Marxist.



TL;DR - I'm a centrist on most things but a hardline communist on economics.

I think the test is wrong there, because Marxism is far more complex than an economic policy, and your rejection of DiaMat makes you not a Marxist.

And as you know, I think that is extreme hair-splitting. :)
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Postby Darussalam » Sat Apr 29, 2017 5:32 pm

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Postby The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord » Sat Apr 29, 2017 6:23 pm

:? Apparently the 8values quiz thinks I'm a libertarian socialist. Would you agree? Does this mean I'm "degenerate"?
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My NS stats are not indicative of my OOC views. NS stats are meant to be rather silly. My OOC political and ideological inspirations are as such:
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Postby Conscentia » Sat Apr 29, 2017 7:05 pm

The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord wrote::? Apparently the 8values quiz thinks I'm a libertarian socialist. Would you agree? Does this mean I'm "degenerate"?

Do you believe worker's should control the means of production they operate?
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Postby The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord » Sat Apr 29, 2017 7:08 pm

Conscentia wrote:
The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord wrote::? Apparently the 8values quiz thinks I'm a libertarian socialist. Would you agree? Does this mean I'm "degenerate"?

Do you believe worker's should control the means of production they operate?


Erm... to be honest, yes.
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My NS stats are not indicative of my OOC views. NS stats are meant to be rather silly. My OOC political and ideological inspirations are as such:
The Republic, by Plato | Leviathan, by Thomas Hobbes | The Confucian civil service system of imperial China | The "Golden Liberty" elective
monarchy system of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth | The corporatist/technocratic philosophy of Henri de Saint-Simon | The communitarian
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Postby Conscentia » Sat Apr 29, 2017 7:13 pm

The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord wrote:
Conscentia wrote:Do you believe worker's should control the means of production they operate?

Erm... to be honest, yes.

Then you probably are. Welcome to socialist movement, comrade.
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Postby The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord » Sat Apr 29, 2017 7:15 pm

Conscentia wrote:
The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord wrote:Erm... to be honest, yes.

Then you probably are. Welcome to socialist movement, comrade.


Do I get ushanka now?

/sarcasm
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My NS stats are not indicative of my OOC views. NS stats are meant to be rather silly. My OOC political and ideological inspirations are as such:
The Republic, by Plato | Leviathan, by Thomas Hobbes | The Confucian civil service system of imperial China | The "Golden Liberty" elective
monarchy system of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth | The corporatist/technocratic philosophy of Henri de Saint-Simon | The communitarian
ideological framework of the Singaporean People's Action Party | "New Deal"-style societal regimentation | Kantian/Mohist/Stoic philosophy
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Postby Italios » Sat Apr 29, 2017 7:26 pm

The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord wrote:
Conscentia wrote:Then you probably are. Welcome to socialist movement, comrade.


Do I get ushanka now?

/sarcasm

by the gods he's said it the absolute madman

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