Olerand wrote:
What did you agree and disagree on with Hamon?
Agreed on immigration issues, the economy, foreign and social policy.
Disagreed on universal conscription and affirmitive action quotas.
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by Conserative Morality » Mon May 01, 2017 11:18 am
Olerand wrote:
What did you agree and disagree on with Hamon?
by Baltenstein » Mon May 01, 2017 11:19 am
Conscentia wrote:Olerand wrote:What did you agree and disagree on with Hamon?
And the test isn't very good. It presents the questions in a very odd way. For example, for the niqab, it asks about civic ceremonies (as was the issue in Canada), but the niqab ban applies to being in public, period. And its reversal is not supported by anyone save for the ultra-minority Trotskyist candidates, so choosing yes (as most Anglo-Saxon liberals would) would factor in for your choice for a Trotskyist, which even Anglo-Saxon liberals wouldn't support.
EDIT: Or on gay marriage, "Take the government out of marriage and instead make it a religious decision" is an Anglo-Saxon position and is supported by literally no one in France, where the only legally recognized marriage is a civil marriage organized by the State..
"Anglo-Saxon"? What year is this, 660 CE? I think the word you're looking for is "Anglophone".
by The Salian Realm » Mon May 01, 2017 11:29 am
by Danceria » Mon May 01, 2017 11:31 am
by Olerand » Mon May 01, 2017 11:37 am
The Grene Knyght wrote:Old Tyrannia wrote:Has anyone taken the ISideWith quiz for the French presidential election? Marine Le Pen was the candidate closest to my views, followed by Nicolas Dupont-Aignan and then by Emmanuel Macron. Oddly, though, in terms of parties I apparently match up closest with Debout la France (France Arise), Dupont-Aignan's party. Front National was all the way down at 6th place. To be fair this isn't hugely surprising given that I have always found that I have always somewhat admired Gaullism, which Debout la France apparently champions, despite de Gaulle's enthusiasm for republicanism. Meanwhile Front National does have a reputation for being more extreme than its leader.
Oh, and I took the 8values quiz, too; I got Theocratic Distributism, which isn't too far off my actual views. My results. I posted about it in this thread.
I got Mélenchon and Hamon as my highest result - both 57%
Macron was in the upper-middle at 41%, while Fillon and Le Pen were last at 17 and 18 percent.
Of Mélenchon and Hamon, I'd be more inclined to vote Mélenchon, but only because he's the major candidate of the pair, and would have been more likely to get into the second round. I don't know enough about Hamon's politics (or any other of the more minor nominees) one way or the other to know who I would have preferred of the two.
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Conscentia wrote:Olerand wrote:What did you agree and disagree on with Hamon?
And the test isn't very good. It presents the questions in a very odd way. For example, for the niqab, it asks about civic ceremonies (as was the issue in Canada), but the niqab ban applies to being in public, period. And its reversal is not supported by anyone save for the ultra-minority Trotskyist candidates, so choosing yes (as most Anglo-Saxon liberals would) would factor in for your choice for a Trotskyist, which even Anglo-Saxon liberals wouldn't support.
EDIT: Or on gay marriage, "Take the government out of marriage and instead make it a religious decision" is an Anglo-Saxon position and is supported by literally no one in France, where the only legally recognized marriage is a civil marriage organized by the State..
"Anglo-Saxon"? What year is this, 660 CE? I think the word you're looking for is "Anglophone".
Free Rhenish States wrote:You're French, without faith, probably godless, liberal without any traditional values or respect for any faith whatsoever
by Olerand » Mon May 01, 2017 11:41 am
Baltenstein wrote:Old Tyrannia wrote:Has anyone taken the ISideWith quiz for the French presidential election? Marine Le Pen was the candidate closest to my views, followed by Nicolas Dupont-Aignan and then by Emmanuel Macron. Oddly, though, in terms of parties I apparently match up closest with Debout la France (France Arise), Dupont-Aignan's party. Front National was all the way down at 6th place. To be fair this isn't hugely surprising given that I have always found that I have always somewhat admired Gaullism, which Debout la France apparently champions, despite de Gaulle's enthusiasm for republicanism. Meanwhile Front National does have a reputation for being more extreme than its leader.
Oh, and I took the 8values quiz, too; I got Theocratic Distributism, which isn't too far off my actual views. My results. I posted about it in this thread.
I got:
75 % Macron
68 % Fillon
56 % Hamon
51 % Melenchon
43 % MLP
I'm somewhat surprised there weren't more questions on France's relationship with the EU though.
Free Rhenish States wrote:You're French, without faith, probably godless, liberal without any traditional values or respect for any faith whatsoever
by The Salian Realm » Mon May 01, 2017 11:46 am
by Conserative Morality » Mon May 01, 2017 11:48 am
Olerand wrote:
Ah. You agreed with all that is bad, and disagreed with what is good. Unfortunate. Fortunately he's not relevant anymore.
There are appears to be mistakes in the test too. It says Macron is opposed to the TTIP, but he is the only one not opposed. So... Or at least his voters are opposed... But he is not.
by Baltenstein » Mon May 01, 2017 11:49 am
Outside Anglophone countries, both in Europe and in the rest of the world, the term Anglo-Saxon and its direct translations are used to refer to the Anglophone peoples and societies of Britain, the United States, and other countries such as Australia, Canada and New Zealand – areas which are sometimes referred to as the Anglosphere. The term Anglo-Saxon can be used in a variety of contexts, often to identify the English-speaking world's distinctive language, culture, technology, wealth, markets, economy, and legal systems. Variations include the German "Angelsachsen", French "Anglo-Saxon", Spanish "anglosajón", Portuguese "Anglo-saxão", Russian "англосаксы", Polish "anglosaksoński", Italian "anglosassone", Catalan "anglosaxó" and Japanese "Angurosakuson". As with the English-language use of the term, what constitutes the "Anglo-Saxon" varies from speaker to speaker.
by Old Tyrannia » Mon May 01, 2017 11:49 am
by Olerand » Mon May 01, 2017 11:54 am
Conserative Morality wrote:Olerand wrote:
Ah. You agreed with all that is bad, and disagreed with what is good. Unfortunate. Fortunately he's not relevant anymore.
There are appears to be mistakes in the test too. It says Macron is opposed to the TTIP, but he is the only one not opposed. So... Or at least his voters are opposed... But he is not.
While I expected such a response on immigration from a European, what exactly is the problem with labor unions, equal pay, ignoring online 'currencies', and subsidizations to maintain market stability? Or staying in the UN, increasing foreign aid, and not conducting preemptive strikes against NK? Or maintaining the legalization of same-sex marriage, allowing women in combat roles, assisted suicide, and opposition to the death penalty?
Baltenstein wrote:Outside Anglophone countries, both in Europe and in the rest of the world, the term Anglo-Saxon and its direct translations are used to refer to the Anglophone peoples and societies of Britain, the United States, and other countries such as Australia, Canada and New Zealand – areas which are sometimes referred to as the Anglosphere. The term Anglo-Saxon can be used in a variety of contexts, often to identify the English-speaking world's distinctive language, culture, technology, wealth, markets, economy, and legal systems. Variations include the German "Angelsachsen", French "Anglo-Saxon", Spanish "anglosajón", Portuguese "Anglo-saxão", Russian "англосаксы", Polish "anglosaksoński", Italian "anglosassone", Catalan "anglosaxó" and Japanese "Angurosakuson". As with the English-language use of the term, what constitutes the "Anglo-Saxon" varies from speaker to speaker.
I don't know about the other countries, but "Angelsachsen" is very rarely used as a reference to the English-speaking countries in the German political discourse these days - the term "Anglo-Amerikaner" is much more mainstream and commonly accepted.
When the term "Angelsachsen" is used to make a point about the English-speaking countries, it's almost always with a slight "tsk, tsk, too much market liberalism and cultural relativism is bad for your health, kids" connotation.
Which I supsect is the default French view of the Anglosphere.
Old Tyrannia wrote:As far as I can tell, "Anglo-Saxon" is a vaguely derogatory term used mainly by the French to disparage English-speaking countries which they incorrectly assume are all basically the same.
Free Rhenish States wrote:You're French, without faith, probably godless, liberal without any traditional values or respect for any faith whatsoever
by Conserative Morality » Mon May 01, 2017 11:57 am
Olerand wrote:Nothing is wrong with any of those things, except for the online currencies part.
But those are not exclusive to Hamon's program, most are in fact almost in everyone's program. I presumed you were asked about, and supported, his leading propositions, such as the universal income and other such monstrosities.
by Napkiraly » Mon May 01, 2017 11:57 am
Old Tyrannia wrote:Has anyone taken the ISideWith quiz for the French presidential election? Marine Le Pen was the candidate closest to my views, followed by Nicolas Dupont-Aignan and then by Emmanuel Macron. Oddly, though, in terms of parties I apparently match up closest with Debout la France (France Arise), Dupont-Aignan's party. Front National was all the way down at 6th place. To be fair this isn't hugely surprising given that I have always found that I have always somewhat admired Gaullism, which Debout la France apparently champions, despite de Gaulle's enthusiasm for republicanism. Meanwhile Front National does have a reputation for being more extreme than its leader.
Oh, and I took the 8values quiz, too; I got Theocratic Distributism, which isn't too far off my actual views. My results. I posted about it in this thread.
by Thermodolia » Mon May 01, 2017 11:59 am
Conserative Morality wrote:Olerand wrote:Nothing is wrong with any of those things, except for the online currencies part.
Bitcoin is legendarily dumb, like some gold bugs got upset about fiat currency and decided to make a 'point' with their own currency which completely misses the point of fiat which was taken seriously and enthusiastically by economically illiterate online libertarians.But those are not exclusive to Hamon's program, most are in fact almost in everyone's program. I presumed you were asked about, and supported, his leading propositions, such as the universal income and other such monstrosities.
Just going off the quiz m80, though I do support a UBI or negative income tax.
by Thermodolia » Mon May 01, 2017 12:00 pm
Napkiraly wrote:Old Tyrannia wrote:Has anyone taken the ISideWith quiz for the French presidential election? Marine Le Pen was the candidate closest to my views, followed by Nicolas Dupont-Aignan and then by Emmanuel Macron. Oddly, though, in terms of parties I apparently match up closest with Debout la France (France Arise), Dupont-Aignan's party. Front National was all the way down at 6th place. To be fair this isn't hugely surprising given that I have always found that I have always somewhat admired Gaullism, which Debout la France apparently champions, despite de Gaulle's enthusiasm for republicanism. Meanwhile Front National does have a reputation for being more extreme than its leader.
Oh, and I took the 8values quiz, too; I got Theocratic Distributism, which isn't too far off my actual views. My results. I posted about it in this thread.
I side mainly with some chap named Nicolas Dupont-Aignan the most. Macron, Le Pen, and Fillon are all pretty much neck in neck for 2nd place.
by Napkiraly » Mon May 01, 2017 12:01 pm
by United Muscovite Nations » Mon May 01, 2017 12:02 pm
by Napkiraly » Mon May 01, 2017 12:02 pm
United Muscovite Nations wrote:If the United States were to have a Constitutional Convention and select a monarch, what dynasty should be made the reigning dynasty? Washingtons? Jeffersons? Roosevelts?
by Kekonistan » Mon May 01, 2017 12:03 pm
United Muscovite Nations wrote:If the United States were to have a Constitutional Convention and select a monarch, what dynasty should be made the reigning dynasty? Washingtons? Jeffersons? Roosevelts?
by Conserative Morality » Mon May 01, 2017 12:04 pm
United Muscovite Nations wrote:If the United States were to have a Constitutional Convention and select a monarch, what dynasty should be made the reigning dynasty? Washingtons? Jeffersons? Roosevelts?
by Olerand » Mon May 01, 2017 12:08 pm
Conserative Morality wrote:Olerand wrote:Nothing is wrong with any of those things, except for the online currencies part.
Bitcoin is legendarily dumb, like some gold bugs got upset about fiat currency and decided to make a 'point' with their own currency which completely misses the point of fiat which was taken seriously and enthusiastically by economically illiterate online libertarians.But those are not exclusive to Hamon's program, most are in fact almost in everyone's program. I presumed you were asked about, and supported, his leading propositions, such as the universal income and other such monstrosities.
Just going off the quiz m80, though I do support a UBI or negative income tax.
Free Rhenish States wrote:You're French, without faith, probably godless, liberal without any traditional values or respect for any faith whatsoever
by Thermodolia » Mon May 01, 2017 12:08 pm
by Thermodolia » Mon May 01, 2017 12:09 pm
United Muscovite Nations wrote:If the United States were to have a Constitutional Convention and select a monarch, what dynasty should be made the reigning dynasty? Washingtons? Jeffersons? Roosevelts?
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