BREXIT Mega Thread (The Saga Begins?)

[Hurdergaryp]

Bias poll is bias, needs a referendum for certainty.

sorry bro that would be undemocratic

Everybody knows that referendums should only be held once, any requests for further referendums should be systematically ignored and, if necessary, actively suppressed. You know, for freedom and democracy.

[Proctopeo]

sorry bro that would be undemocratic

Everybody knows that referendums should only be held once, any requests for further referendums should be systematically ignored and, if necessary, actively suppressed. You know, for freedom and democracy.

We should violate promises to not have another referendum until a certain date because trustworthiness is a myth

[Hurdergaryp]

Everybody knows that referendums should only be held once, any requests for further referendums should be systematically ignored and, if necessary, actively suppressed. You know, for freedom and democracy.

We should violate promises to not have another referendum until a certain date because trustworthiness is a myth

So either hold referendums always, or do not hold them at all.

[Proctopeo]

We should violate promises to not have another referendum until a certain date because trustworthiness is a myth

So either hold referendums always, or do not hold them at all.

Why does it have to be a dichotomy? Can't we hold referendums sometimes? Isn't that what is already done?

[Bakery Hill]

https://www.ft.com/content/58fdabbc-7047-11e7-aca6-c6bd07df1a3c

Australia has warned the UK against introducing a tougher visa regime after Brexit, and indicated this issue could have a big influence on talks between Canberra and London about a trade deal.

Australia’s stance highlights a central tension in UK prime minister Theresa May’s self-proclaimed push to create a “global Britain” after Brexit that involves an aggressive push for free trade deals while simultaneously limiting the number of people who can come to Britain.

The UK would like to secure trade deals with Australia and India as quickly as possible after Brexit, but these are the key countries demanding a more liberal British visa regime.

the UK is going to get absolutely skullfucked if it tries to clamp down on immigration

Just as long as the English stop coming over here.

[Hurdergaryp]

So either hold referendums always, or do not hold them at all.

Why does it have to be a dichotomy? Can't we hold referendums sometimes? Isn't that what is already done?

Once the outcome of a referendum proves to have rather dire socio-economical long term effects, it could be argued that the previously misinformed masses might want a rematch.

[Proctopeo]

Why does it have to be a dichotomy? Can't we hold referendums sometimes? Isn't that what is already done?

Once the outcome of a referendum proves to have rather dire socio-economical long term effects, it could be argued that the previously misinformed masses might want a rematch.

Only if they want a rematch. According to Democracy Dies in Darkness Dot Com, about a month ago, 7.1% of polled Brexit voters were Bregetters. On the other hand, 4.4% of Remain voters regretted their votes, too. Based on the Brexit vote results with those percentages, Brexit would still win, although the margin would be closer.

[Fartsniffage]

So either hold referendums always, or do not hold them at all.

Why does it have to be a dichotomy? Can't we hold referendums sometimes? Isn't that what is already done?

If we're going to be doing that then we should probably have some kind of constitutional basis for them. Would probably make things easier...

[Proctopeo]

Why does it have to be a dichotomy? Can't we hold referendums sometimes? Isn't that what is already done?

If we're going to be doing that then we should probably have some kind of constitutional basis for them. Would probably make things easier...

We'll help you compile a codified constitution into a few documents, and then we can give it a constitutional basis.

[Eredion]

So either hold referendums always, or do not hold them at all.

Why does it have to be a dichotomy? Can't we hold referendums sometimes? Isn't that what is already done?

Just don´t have referendums on such massive political events that are very complex.

You can have small scale referendums like the melting two districts into one, but not "Should we leave the EU? Yes, no, maybe, I don´t know, can you repeat the question?"

[Bakery Hill]

Why is everyone complaining? The people made the right choice.

[Dooom35796821595]

Why is everyone complaining? The people made the right choice.

Because the political class seem intent on screwing it up, like usual.

[Bakery Hill]

Why is everyone complaining? The people made the right choice.

Because the political class seem intent on screwing it up, like usual.

Appoint Corbyn dictator. Problem solved.

[Hurdergaryp]

Once the outcome of a referendum proves to have rather dire socio-economical long term effects, it could be argued that the previously misinformed masses might want a rematch.

Only if they want a rematch. According to Democracy Dies in Darkness Dot Com, about a month ago, 7.1% of polled Brexit voters were Bregetters. On the other hand, 4.4% of Remain voters regretted their votes, too. Based on the Brexit vote results with those percentages, Brexit would still win, although the margin would be closer.

That's another fine mess the English have gotten themselves into, then.

[Wine-loving Chimps]

Why is everyone complaining? The people made the right choice.

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Once the outcome of a referendum proves to have rather dire socio-economical long term effects, it could be argued that the previously misinformed masses might want a rematch.

Only if they want a rematch. According to Democracy Dies in Darkness Dot Com, about a month ago, 7.1% of polled Brexit voters were Bregetters. On the other hand, 4.4% of Remain voters regretted their votes, too. Based on the Brexit vote results with those percentages, Brexit would still win, although the margin would be closer.

And yet the polls on the question of hindsight reveal a different story.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... -poll-says

Slightly older article for sure, but the trend has only continued. Nowadays every poll says that the majority think that Brexit, with hindsight, was a bad idea.

[Dooom35796821595]

Because the political class seem intent on screwing it up, like usual.

Appoint Corbyn dictator. Problem solved.

Worst. Dictator. Ever.

[Proctopeo]

Why is everyone complaining? The people made the right choice.

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Only if they want a rematch. According to Democracy Dies in Darkness Dot Com, about a month ago, 7.1% of polled Brexit voters were Bregetters. On the other hand, 4.4% of Remain voters regretted their votes, too. Based on the Brexit vote results with those percentages, Brexit would still win, although the margin would be closer.

And yet the polls on the question of hindsight reveal a different story.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... -poll-says

Slightly older article for sure, but the trend has only continued. Nowadays every poll says that the majority think that Brexit, with hindsight, was a bad idea.

That doesn't seem to disprove anything, especially since they don't seem to link the poll they cite. Is this 45% of Brexit voters, or 45% of British people in general?

[Vassenor]

Everybody knows that referendums should only be held once, any requests for further referendums should be systematically ignored and, if necessary, actively suppressed. You know, for freedom and democracy.

We should violate promises to not have another referendum until a certain date because trustworthiness is a myth

"This matter will only be considered settled with a two-thirds majority".

[Proctopeo]

We should violate promises to not have another referendum until a certain date because trustworthiness is a myth

"This matter will only be considered settled with a two-thirds majority".

trustworthiness is a myth

[Calladan]

"This matter will only be considered settled with a two-thirds majority".

trustworthiness is a myth

What we need is an unmarried woman who speaks with a lisp.

[Bakery Hill]

Why is everyone complaining? The people made the right choice.

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Very good stuff.

[Bakery Hill]

We should violate promises to not have another referendum until a certain date because trustworthiness is a myth

"This matter will only be considered settled with a two-thirds majority".

How about we do that for incoming governments as well? And all votes in the house of parliament?

[Geilinor]

"This matter will only be considered settled with a two-thirds majority".

How about we do that for incoming governments as well? And all votes in the house of parliament?

Most issues don't have anywhere near the significance as Brexit.

[Bakery Hill]

How about we do that for incoming governments as well? And all votes in the house of parliament?

Most issues don't have anywhere near the significance as Brexit.

So real democracy should only extend to insignificant issues?

[FelrikTheDeleted]

https://www.ft.com/content/58fdabbc-7047-11e7-aca6-c6bd07df1a3c

Australia has warned the UK against introducing a tougher visa regime after Brexit, and indicated this issue could have a big influence on talks between Canberra and London about a trade deal.

Australia’s stance highlights a central tension in UK prime minister Theresa May’s self-proclaimed push to create a “global Britain” after Brexit that involves an aggressive push for free trade deals while simultaneously limiting the number of people who can come to Britain.

The UK would like to secure trade deals with Australia and India as quickly as possible after Brexit, but these are the key countries demanding a more liberal British visa regime.

the UK is going to get absolutely skullfucked if it tries to clamp down on immigration

We may as well take advantage of the situation.