Dylann Roof sentenced to death

[Chestaan]

Before. AND after. The standard should apply for the the death penalty to be given before it is first handed down. Then it would be subject to review de novo on appeal.

Sounds good to me. But how many appeals should they get?

That depends, how many innocent deaths would you be willing to accept? 1 in every 100,000 would require a longer appeals process than 1 in every 100.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

Petting a puppy = right

abusing children = wrong

What if that puppy doesn't want to be pet?

Also the world isn't so black and white

What kinda of puppy doesn't want to be pet?

But your heart always knows what's right.
It's not about win or lose, it's the path you choose.
Let the journey begin,
Pokémon!

[Thermodolia]

Sounds good to me. But how many appeals should they get?

That depends, how many innocent deaths would you be willing to accept? 1 in every 100,000 would require a longer appeals process than 1 in every 100.

1 in every 100 is enough to live with

[Thermodolia]

What if that puppy doesn't want to be pet?

Also the world isn't so black and white

What kinda of puppy doesn't want to be pet?

But your heart always knows what's right.
It's not about win or lose, it's the path you choose.
Let the journey begin,
Pokémon!

Abused puppies for one

[Southerly Gentleman]

then no one has any reason to regard your opinion on a morally-charged topic.

I'm not the one replying to myself now am I?

What are you talking about?

[Valaran]

Can't say that I'm surprised this result was reached.

As to the OP's question, my opposition to capital punishment is on principle, not circumstance. My loathing for this man's actions doesn't mean that I agree with the death penalty. But a court of law has reached a decision, and thus it is now a legal mandate; the Jury should not 'be ashamed' (as the OP puts it) for coming to this decision, given they were operating entirely within the bounds of the law and there was a fair judicial process (to my knowledge). My opposition against capital punishment is against the law's existence, not against its fair application (perhaps too nuanced a distinction, but one I feel is worth some merit).

[The Realm of Lordaeron]

There is no way that stop innocent people being killed by the death penalty. The only way to completely prevent it is to abolish it all together. That's why i oppose the death penalty -- because it kills too many innocent people. 10% of those executed by the State have been later exonerated between 1976-2015. 176 innocent people executed for our perverse sense of justice.

Real justice would involve abolishing this antiquated punishment.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

What kinda of puppy doesn't want to be pet?

But your heart always knows what's right.
It's not about win or lose, it's the path you choose.
Let the journey begin,
Pokémon!

Abused puppies for one

And abusing puppers is a bad action.

[Thermodolia]

I'm not the one replying to myself now am I?

What are you talking about?

If people have no reason to regard my opinion why are they responding to me? I'm not forcing them to do so, they must have some regard for my opinion

[Salus Maior]

Which positions? The only one which contradicts that is pro-abortion, a stance that I've rather turned away from since making my sig.

fuck is this, Minority Report? You can't justify killing someone because they might take more lives in the future. Maybe they will, and then again, maybe they won't. Uncertainty is endemic to justice.

Oh, then I would advise that you change that to avoid future confusion xP

Dylan Roof believes his killing was justified, because of all the "atrocities" African-Americans have done to white people. He's a radical, an extremist, not unlike any terrorist from Al-Qaeda or ISIS. It's safe to assume that someone who holds those views, and has acted on those views, is dangerous.

[Katganistan]

http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/10/us/dylann-roof-trial/index.html

Dylann roof has today been sentenced to death for his activities towards blacks.

No, he was sentenced to death for 9 counts of premeditated murder.

I personally believe his death penalty should be immediately reversed. the Jury should be ashamed of themselves. The death penalty is not appropriate.

How is it not appropriate to levy the death sentence on a mass-murderer who is very open about the lack of regret for his act, his insistence that he felt he had to do it, and his only argument against the death penalty being he'd rather life imprisonment, if only one juror would change their mind?

Regardless, he has purportedly admitted some sort of guilt for this accused activity, and so the Jury subsequently found him guilty and sentenced him to death today.

He said he did it and he didn't regret it. How is that admitting guilt?

Do you think Dylann Roof should have his sentence pardoned? How do you think this bodes for White-Black relations? How do you feel about his purported activities and subsequent retaliation?

Fuck no I don't think he should be pardoned. He is an admitted pre-meditated murderer of 9 people who doesn't regret it.

What do you mean about how it bodes for White-Black relations? What, should we appease similarly-minded murderous fucks by letting them get away with murder, and pretending it's ok to kill people if they're black?

He wouldn't deserve a different sentence if all his victims were white, yellow, pink, plaid, polka-dotted or purple. The unfortunate part is that it will probably take 20 years to remove this waste of air from existence -- whereas it took him mere minutes to murder nine people. After his three visits to the church to scope it out, planning it, getting the guns and ammo, and executing it, I mean.

[Gauthier]

Which positions? The only one which contradicts that is pro-abortion, a stance that I've rather turned away from since making my sig.

fuck is this, Minority Report? You can't justify killing someone because they might take more lives in the future. Maybe they will, and then again, maybe they won't. Uncertainty is endemic to justice.

Oh, then I would advise that you change that to avoid future confusion xP

Dylan Roof believes his killing was justified, because of all the "atrocities" African-Americans have done to white people. He's a radical, an extremist, not unlike any terrorist from Al-Qaeda or ISIS. It's safe to assume that someone who holds those views, and has acted on those views, is dangerous.

And by "atrocities against white people" he means "Hey where da white women at?"

[Ethel mermania]

He deserves it, hopefully sooner rather than later.

[Thermodolia]

There is no way that stop innocent people being killed by the death penalty. The only way to completely prevent it is to abolish it all together. That's why i oppose the death penalty -- because it kills too many innocent people. 10% of those executed by the State have been later exonerated between 1976-2015. 176 innocent people executed for our perverse sense of justice.

Real justice would involve abolishing this antiquated punishment.

Is that 10% made up of those who have been executed and later found innocent or is made up of those who where sentenced to death and were later commuted?

Also I could live with a 1% chance of some innocent getting executed.

[Gauthier]

He deserves it, hopefully sooner rather than later.

It'll be later. Automatic appeal.

[Chestaan]

Which positions? The only one which contradicts that is pro-abortion, a stance that I've rather turned away from since making my sig.

fuck is this, Minority Report? You can't justify killing someone because they might take more lives in the future. Maybe they will, and then again, maybe they won't. Uncertainty is endemic to justice.

Oh, then I would advise that you change that to avoid future confusion xP

Dylan Roof believes his killing was justified, because of all the "atrocities" African-Americans have done to white people. He's a radical, an extremist, not unlike any terrorist from Al-Qaeda or ISIS. It's safe to assume that someone who holds those views, and has acted on those views, is dangerous.

America spends an absolutely ridiculous amount on prisons. Are you trying to say that they can't use some of that to prevent a high risk prisoner from getting out? Now I'm no fan of Gitmo but if we're that worried about him then send him there.

[Valaran]

Which positions? The only one which contradicts that is pro-abortion, a stance that I've rather turned away from since making my sig.

fuck is this, Minority Report? You can't justify killing someone because they might take more lives in the future. Maybe they will, and then again, maybe they won't. Uncertainty is endemic to justice.

Oh, then I would advise that you change that to avoid future confusion xP

Dylan Roof believes his killing was justified, because of all the "atrocities" African-Americans have done to white people. He's a radical, an extremist, not unlike any terrorist from Al-Qaeda or ISIS. It's safe to assume that someone who holds those views, and has acted on those views, is dangerous.

The difference between Roof and, say, an IS member is that Roof is in confinement, and without the ability to inflict more harm; this makes him as a person distinctly less dangerous. His ideas might be dangerous too, but we generally don't prosecute (or execute) someone on having dangerous ideas.

[Engleberg]

Life sentences are a thing.

Sure....but a shot to the arm seems more effective.

Or go to classic techniques - hanging, firing squad, the good ole' French guillotine...

[Trotza]

There is no way that stop innocent people being killed by the death penalty. The only way to completely prevent it is to abolish it all together. That's why i oppose the death penalty -- because it kills too many innocent people. 10% of those executed by the State have been later exonerated between 1976-2015. 176 innocent people executed for our perverse sense of justice.

Real justice would involve abolishing this antiquated punishment.

Then we'll just have innocent people stuck in prison for their entire lives. Doesn't solve much.

On the topic, my only qualm is that with the convoluted process it will go through, it'll cost more in legal fees than it would to keep him in prison for life. Of course that could be changed by shortening the process, at least in this particular case. And I always did think the guillotine has remained the most effective method of execution in terms of cost and practical efficiency, injection has just added another layer of possible confusion to the batch. I wouldn't be opposed to it being used here.

[Thermodolia]

Sure....but a shot to the arm seems more effective.

Or go to classic techniques - hanging, firing squad, the good ole' French guillotine...

Dropped from a helicopter is another choice

[Rovikstead]

Dylann Roof deserved no less than the death penalty.

[Xadufell]

Petting a puppy = right

abusing children = wrong

What if that puppy doesn't want to be pet?

Also the world isn't so black and white

*Pets puppy*

ISTHATSEXUALHARASSMENTISTHATWHATYOUDIDWHENYOUDIDTHATTOME?

[Valaran]

There is no way that stop innocent people being killed by the death penalty. The only way to completely prevent it is to abolish it all together. That's why i oppose the death penalty -- because it kills too many innocent people. 10% of those executed by the State have been later exonerated between 1976-2015. 176 innocent people executed for our perverse sense of justice.

Real justice would involve abolishing this antiquated punishment.

Then we'll just have innocent people stuck in prison for their entire lives. Doesn't solve much.

The idea behind this is that, if he is later found to be innocent (which does happen), we can then release him; this can't be done if he is dead. Life imprisonment allows for the possibility of correcting a mistake, though I don't think anyone is saying that it is an ideal replacement.

On the topic, my only qualm is that with the convoluted process it will go through, it'll cost more in legal fees than it would to keep him in prison for life. Of course that could be changed by shortening the process, at least in this particular case. And I always did think the guillotine has remained the most effective method of execution in terms of cost and practical efficiency, injection has just added another layer of possible confusion to the batch. I wouldn't be opposed to it being used here.

On the whole however, I agree with points like these. The possible innocence argument only works in some cases, and isn't the most compelling argument against the death penalty.

[Engleberg]

Or go to classic techniques - hanging, firing squad, the good ole' French guillotine...

Dropped from a helicopter

I thought that was reserved for those of the left-leaning political thought and enemies of the state?

[Gauthier]

Dylann Roof deserved no less than the death penalty. He doesn't deserve to waste American tax money by wasting away in a cell, eating food, and using other services paid for by the American people.

Problem being if Roof doesn't get the due process of automatic appeal then it'll open up a dumpster fire of legal messes.