Right-Wing Discussion Thread VIII: McCarthy Was Right

[The Blaatschapen]

What is your opinion on multiculturalism, RWDT?

I like interculturalism more, by letting different cultures merge and melt together to form a more robust culture.

Like the modern British culture. It's a mixture of anglo-saxon, celtic, danish, roman, french, etc.

[Edding]

What is your opinion on multiculturalism, RWDT?

Since a society's cultural values are more often than not expressed in their legal code... this seems unwise.
Case and point: The No-Go zones, sharia police, and parallel judiciary beginning to form in Germany.
https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/9461 ... sharia-law

Edit: Added source.

PS: I'm talking about multiculturalism in general, I'm not looking to open a migration-related can of worms

[Conscentia]

What is your opinion on multiculturalism, RWDT?

I like interculturalism more, by letting different cultures merge and melt together to form a more robust culture.

That sounds more like melting pot monoculturalism. Interculturalism, as I understand, it is more about promoting interaction between different cultures in the same society while they remain distinct - as opposed to merely accepting that multiple cultures exist and enabling (self-)segregation.

[Lady Scylla]

I like interculturalism more, by letting different cultures merge and melt together to form a more robust culture.

That sounds more like melting pot monoculturalism. Interculturalism, as I understand, it is more about promoting interaction between different cultures in the same society while they remain distinct - as opposed to merely accepting that multiple cultures exist and enabling (self-)segregation.

Whatever promotes what I said.

-grumbles-

[Venerable Bede]

Antisocial Personality Disorder, in the purest sense, causes a deficit in emotional connections. That doesn't necessarily mean a person is amoral, though a lot of Antisocial people tend that way.

Universal Morality is a spook.

Is "spook" coming to mean "heresy" in freethinkerese?

[Venerable Bede]

The RWDT's first few incarnations were a lot more serious, but there's so many new people that have came out of nowhere and its spiraled into whatever the fuck it is now. I only recognize about a third if not less than a third of the people in the discord...

4Chan's containment was breached. Not saying everyone here is from there, but they, and their humour, spread everywhere afterwards.

/his/ and /lit/ are truly much more advanced than NSG is. /pol/ is another story, though

[Conscentia]

Universal Morality is a spook.

Is "spook" coming to mean "heresy" in freethinkerese?

If it did mean "heresy", then "spook" itself would've become a spook.

[Gondolaulus]

What is your opinion on multiculturalism, RWDT?

Prone to conflict.

Individuals can transcend the boundaries of culture through love, friendship, respect. But this does not count for groups.

[Torsiedelle]

I think multiculturalism in some cases isn't awful, but...as it is today? Not a fan.

How do I explain it...like, how in some placing in New York, you have Chinese neighborhoods, and Black ones, and Italian ones, and they're all different and unique, and yet at the same time they're all American. That's the kind of Multiculturalism I think of, where yeah, we're all American, but we can still embrace and support our different heritages, in our own areas, and even embrace them outside without being at each others' throats. It's the things that make people different that makes them cool.

Now the entire "We need to stop this because it offends X and cultures are social constructs, therefore it's outdated and we need to create le new peoples revolutionary culture" nonsense is what grinds my gears.

Be like old-timey stereotypical New York. Be diverse and cool about it. Don't be crazy micro-aggression obsessed cucks.

That makes sense? I hope at least a little. I'm just popping in to bullshit a little.

[Luminesa]

I think multiculturalism in some cases isn't awful, but...as it is today? Not a fan.

How do I explain it...like, how in some placing in New York, you have Chinese neighborhoods, and Black ones, and Italian ones, and they're all different and unique, and yet at the same time they're all American. That's the kind of Multiculturalism I think of, where yeah, we're all American, but we can still embrace and support our different heritages, in our own areas, and even embrace them outside without being at each others' throats. It's the things that make people different that makes them cool.

Now the entire "We need to stop this because it offends X and cultures are social constructs, therefore it's outdated and we need to create le new peoples revolutionary culture" nonsense is what grinds my gears.

Be like old-timey stereotypical New York. Be diverse and cool about it. Don't be crazy micro-aggression obsessed cucks.

That makes sense? I hope at least a little. I'm just popping in to bullshit a little.

While I would disagree as to whether or not old-time New York was always "cool" about their diversity (in the sense that there were plenty racist riots in 'old-timey' New York), I agree. We should be diverse and cool about it. That's what makes our country so beautiful!

[Gondolaulus]

I think multiculturalism in some cases isn't awful, but...as it is today? Not a fan.

How do I explain it...like, how in some placing in New York, you have Chinese neighborhoods, and Black ones, and Italian ones, and they're all different and unique, and yet at the same time they're all American. That's the kind of Multiculturalism I think of, where yeah, we're all American, but we can still embrace and support our different heritages, in our own areas, and even embrace them outside without being at each others' throats. It's the things that make people different that makes them cool.

Now the entire "We need to stop this because it offends X and cultures are social constructs, therefore it's outdated and we need to create le new peoples revolutionary culture" nonsense is what grinds my gears.

Be like old-timey stereotypical New York. Be diverse and cool about it. Don't be crazy micro-aggression obsessed cucks.

That makes sense? I hope at least a little. I'm just popping in to bullshit a little.

That is not multiculturalism. That's assimilation into American culture.

Remembering your heritage =/= as being of said culture. A culture is a set of values and norms totally irrelevant of heritage. A person A can be of country B's culture and vice versa.

When two cultures share the same living space, then it's doomed to fail as the expectations of said two cultures collide.

[Torsiedelle]

While I would disagree as to whether or not old-time New York was always "cool" about their diversity (in the sense that there were plenty racist riots in 'old-timey' New York), I agree. We should be diverse and cool about it. That's what makes our country so beautiful!

Well yeah, minus the riots and whatnot. When I think of Old Timey New York, I think of campy old America with baseball and good food, and New Work Accents.

Then again, I've never been to New York in my entire life, so yeah, lol.

[PaNTuXIa]

What is your opinion on multiculturalism, RWDT?

Pretty bad, at least the current implementation of it.

[NeoLiberia]

I think multiculturalism in some cases isn't awful, but...as it is today? Not a fan.

How do I explain it...like, how in some placing in New York, you have Chinese neighborhoods, and Black ones, and Italian ones, and they're all different and unique, and yet at the same time they're all American. That's the kind of Multiculturalism I think of, where yeah, we're all American, but we can still embrace and support our different heritages, in our own areas, and even embrace them outside without being at each others' throats. It's the things that make people different that makes them cool.

Now the entire "We need to stop this because it offends X and cultures are social constructs, therefore it's outdated and we need to create le new peoples revolutionary culture" nonsense is what grinds my gears.

Be like old-timey stereotypical New York. Be diverse and cool about it. Don't be crazy micro-aggression obsessed cucks.

That makes sense? I hope at least a little. I'm just popping in to bullshit a little.

That is not multiculturalism. That's assimilation into American culture.

Remembering your heritage =/= as being of said culture. A culture is a set of values and norms totally irrelevant of heritage. A person A can be of country B's culture and vice versa.

When two cultures share the same living space, then it's doomed to fail as the expectations of said two cultures collide.

You're talking about communitarian multiculturalism. Here in the West (and anywhere where multiculturalism exists as a success tbh) we have liberal multiculturalism, where backward beliefs needn't be tolerated (and often aren't in the most multicultural countries).

[NeoLiberia]

While I would disagree as to whether or not old-time New York was always "cool" about their diversity (in the sense that there were plenty racist riots in 'old-timey' New York), I agree. We should be diverse and cool about it. That's what makes our country so beautiful!

Well yeah, minus the riots and whatnot. When I think of Old Timey New York, I think of campy old America with baseball and good food, and New Work Accents.

Then again, I've never been to New York in my entire life, so yeah, lol.

Yea now the Bronx is infested with Dominicans who crossed the border because we don't have a wall because sjws.

[Gondolaulus]

That is not multiculturalism. That's assimilation into American culture.

Remembering your heritage =/= as being of said culture. A culture is a set of values and norms totally irrelevant of heritage. A person A can be of country B's culture and vice versa.

When two cultures share the same living space, then it's doomed to fail as the expectations of said two cultures collide.

You're talking about communitarian multiculturalism. Here in the West (and anywhere where multiculturalism exists as a success tbh) we have liberal multiculturalism, where backward beliefs needn't be tolerated (and often aren't in the most multicultural countries).

Define backward believe. And in essence, that is not multiculturalism.

Once one culture outforces another, there is no multiculturalism. There is cultural domination.

[The East Marches]

You're talking about communitarian multiculturalism. Here in the West (and anywhere where multiculturalism exists as a success tbh) we have liberal multiculturalism, where backward beliefs needn't be tolerated (and often aren't in the most multicultural countries).

Define backward believe. And in essence, that is not multiculturalism.

Once one culture outforces another, there is no multiculturalism. There is cultural domination.

>Backwards Beliefs

Its ok to send children over minefields :^)

[The East Marches]

4Chan's containment was breached. Not saying everyone here is from there, but they, and their humour, spread everywhere afterwards.

/his/ and /lit/ are truly much more advanced than NSG is. /pol/ is another story, though

/his/ and /int/ you mean. /lit/ is 110% pure cancer and nothing good has ever come out of it.

[NeoLiberia]

You're talking about communitarian multiculturalism. Here in the West (and anywhere where multiculturalism exists as a success tbh) we have liberal multiculturalism, where backward beliefs needn't be tolerated (and often aren't in the most multicultural countries).

Define backward believe. And in essence, that is not multiculturalism.

Once one culture outforces another, there is no multiculturalism. There is cultural domination.

https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/multiculturalism/#LibEga

Multiculturalism as it has been understood in the West, is liberal, not communitarian. It allows for people to keep at least the facade of their identity while liberalism continues to dominate over traditionalism.

Now I understand that you come from the Netherlands. Your Pillarisation is more like communitarian multiculturalism than liberal multiculturalism, so I can understand why you think it's all communitarian.

[NeoLiberia]

Define backward believe. And in essence, that is not multiculturalism.

Once one culture outforces another, there is no multiculturalism. There is cultural domination.

>Backwards Beliefs

Its ok to send children over minefields :^)

Yes those Persians should learn (from their former-slaves to the northwest, of course) about the wonders of liberal multiculturalism.

[The East Marches]

>Backwards Beliefs

Its ok to send children over minefields :^)

Yes those Persians should learn (from their former-slaves to the northwest, of course) about the wonders of liberal multiculturalism.

I would say learn from their own past before they lost their minds. Ottomemes 2.0 when? They have to have a rival.

[Gondolaulus]

Define backward believe. And in essence, that is not multiculturalism.

Once one culture outforces another, there is no multiculturalism. There is cultural domination.

https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/multiculturalism/#LibEga

Multiculturalism as it has been understood in the West, is liberal, not communitarian. It allows for people to keep at least the facade of their identity while liberalism continues to dominate over traditionalism.

Now I understand that you come from the Netherlands. Your Pillarisation is more like communitarian multiculturalism than liberal multiculturalism, so I can understand why you think it's all communitarian.

Liberal multiculturalism isn't multiculturalism.

It's one culture dominating the other. Something like that is assimilation. Nothing more nothing less. One culture getting destroyed to be integrated into another culture.

[NeoLiberia]

Yes those Persians should learn (from their former-slaves to the northwest, of course) about the wonders of liberal multiculturalism.

I would say learn from their own past before they lost their minds. Ottomemes 2.0 when? They have to have a rival.

I mean, maybe you're correct. At the same time Iran has heavily gone down the communitarian multicultural route.

[Mikelheim]

The RWDT's first few incarnations were a lot more serious, but there's so many new people that have came out of nowhere and its spiraled into whatever the fuck it is now. I only recognize about a third if not less than a third of the people in the discord...

4Chan's containment was breached. Not saying everyone here is from there, but they, and their humour, spread everywhere afterwards.

Yeah, and it's really obnoxious.

[NeoLiberia]

https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/multiculturalism/#LibEga

Multiculturalism as it has been understood in the West, is liberal, not communitarian. It allows for people to keep at least the facade of their identity while liberalism continues to dominate over traditionalism.

Now I understand that you come from the Netherlands. Your Pillarisation is more like communitarian multiculturalism than liberal multiculturalism, so I can understand why you think it's all communitarian.

Liberal multiculturalism isn't multiculturalism.

It's one culture dominating the other. Something like that is assimilation. Nothing more nothing less. One culture getting destroyed to be integrated into another culture.

Multiculturalism is a concept defined and coined in the West, and more specifically, by liberals.

You're mistaking liberalization for assimilation. I don't think that's very accurate, many cultures have liberalized on their own for example.