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George Ciccariello should be charged with hate speech.
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While the professor has a right to free speech, Drexel university can and should drop its association with Ciccariello.
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I am unsure/neutral on how Drexel university responds.
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There is nothing wrong with Ciccariello's tweets, and I support him fully.
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As an advocate of white genocide myself, I am angered that Ciccariello only supports abolishing the white race ironically.
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Postby Jumhuriyah Hindustan » Tue Dec 27, 2016 8:49 am

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The main segment of Cuban society which did not benefit under Batista were the poor and lower classes along with rural Cubans, who then lived a rather hard life. None of the economic gains went to them, only to city dwellers and collaborators of American corporations which dominated Cuba at the time.

Fidel Castro's father owned a large sugar plantation at the behest of the United Fruit company, so he was from a rather well off family from the beginning. Indeed, Fidel's mother never forgave her son for his treachery- after he had moved to nationalize all of Cuba's industry and private businesses to impose a system of Marxism. It meant Castro's parents and many of his relatives losing their former status with only Fidel and Raul being greatly enriched by their communist revolution.


And? Had the US annexed it Batista would never have been a dictator. I said Cuba was doing pretty well BEFORe the coup. Which never would have happened had the US annexed the place.

it would've also not happened if the us hadn't helped batista in the coup
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Postby Novus America » Tue Dec 27, 2016 9:01 am

Jumhuriyah Hindustan wrote:
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And? Had the US annexed it Batista would never have been a dictator. I said Cuba was doing pretty well BEFORe the coup. Which never would have happened had the US annexed the place.

it would've also not happened if the us hadn't helped batista in the coup


Moving the goalposts.

And a questionable assertion.
The US government recognized his government shortly after the coup, and backed him six years until 1958, in 1958 the US placed an embargo on the Batista regime causing it to fall.

So the US actually ended up working to topple the regime.

This does not mean the US caused the coup. Do you have evidence the US supported the coup?
And that said support was the decisive factor in it succeeding?
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Postby Chessmistress » Tue Dec 27, 2016 9:58 am

Caracasus wrote:Perhaps he was using White Genocide in the same way that almost everyone who goes on about it seems to mean, i.e. interracial partnerships and occasionally not having a straight, white male protagonist in mainstream films?


Perhaps he was really meaning "genocide", who knows?

Caracasus wrote:Yeah, on closer investigation this guy was mocking the alt-right and their white genocide claims.


Source?
Mocking haters by spreading hatred doesn't work fine, usually.

Caracasus wrote:Now he is getting death threats calling him a jew, cuck and so forth.


Source?
Perhaps they're using such words just only in order to mock him.
Or perhaps they're really hating him.
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Postby Chessmistress » Tue Dec 27, 2016 10:19 am

I did some research, and I'm not sure he was being ironic, quite the opposite:
http://www.philly.com/philly/news/Drexe ... sible.html

He then wrote on Sunday: "To clarify: when the whites were massacred during the Haitian revolution, that was a good thing indeed."


"On Christmas Eve, I sent a satirical tweet about an imaginary concept, 'white genocide,'" he said in an e-mail. 'For those who haven't bothered to do their research, 'white genocide' is an idea invented by white supremacists and used to denounce everything from interracial relationships to multicultural policies (and most recently, against a tweet by State Farm Insurance). It is a figment of the racist imagination, it should be mocked, and I'm glad to have mocked it."


Nope.
He's clearly lying.
You don't mock imaginary ideas by referring to actual genocides like those in Haiti: he did the oposite than mocking an imaginary idea - by referring to Haiti he showed that the idea already had practical applications, and he tweeted that he supported it.

Those have been the consequences:
On Sunday night, Drexel issued an official statement saying: "While the University recognizes the right of its faculty to freely express their thoughts and opinions in public debate, Professor Ciccariello-Maher's comments are utterly reprehensible, deeply disturbing, and do not in any way reflect the values of the University."

The university also said it "contacted Ciccariello-Maher today to arrange a meeting to discuss this matter in detail."


And this
http://jezebel.com/there-is-no-such-thi ... 1790500883

All such idiot did was, actually, giving ammunitions to real, powerful, racists.
Probably, since his university might to be a place safer than the average, he lives in a bubble, and by so he canot understand how things works in the real world.
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Postby Old Tyrannia » Tue Dec 27, 2016 10:20 am

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Postby Bogdanov Vishniac » Tue Dec 27, 2016 10:54 am

Aelex wrote:Asking compensation for murders and destruction of property by rebels is truly horrible, indeed! :roll:


When it comes at the expense of liberated slaves who are being asked to foot the bill of the destruction of a murderous plantation economy as well as the cost of all their individual freedoms? Yeah it's pretty horrible. Glad you agree.


Aelex wrote:We invested a lot on this island and merely asked to be returned some of said investment to help our people who were spoliated during the rebellion, that's all.


They invested in slaves and a plantation economy that ran on an engine of human misery, and who rebelled and won their own freedom. You'll have to forgive me if I'm not too eager to pay back those planters.

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Postby Napkiraly » Tue Dec 27, 2016 11:03 am

He should be sacked.

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Postby Chessmistress » Tue Dec 27, 2016 11:19 am

Comparing the actual situation of blacks in USA to that of blacks in Haiti in 1804, and then advocating or justifying similar extreme measures, is very likely to damage the actual cause of blacks in USA. Indeed it comes from a moronic white man, not from an actual and intelligent black.
Such people still lives within a bubble and still doesn't realize that Trump is going to be president, and there will be 4 really hard years, and the methods need to change.
There will be attacks against the right to abort, there will be a push back when it comes at violence against blacks, and so on.
Acting pretending that you're still fully and totally protected by the authorities isn't going to work, more likely it's going to get the opposite outcome.
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Postby Traxa » Tue Dec 27, 2016 11:24 am

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Cannot think of a name wrote:We live in a world now where our political leaders 'focus test' their shitty ideas on Twitter and in speeches and when people go, "Holy shit that's a terrible idea" they just say "They were joking...why are you so serious?"

Ever since the bar for "I'm joking" has gotten so low I'm at a loss to get up in arms about something an associate professor said somewhere.

They're only allowed to cop out with "It was just a joke!" if they're Republican-leaning.


Thats better than the left, where they say the same thing and then when it gets pointed out that what they're saying is horrible they say "no im serious"
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Postby Herskerstad » Tue Dec 27, 2016 1:45 pm

Apparently he just sent out a tweet saying. "All I want for Christmas is White Genocide."

Given that he is giving Palpatine a run for his money on skin color it boggles the mind.
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Postby The Liberated Territories » Tue Dec 27, 2016 2:01 pm

He should be allowed to say such a thing, yes, but the university doesn't have to associate with him.
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Postby Genivaria » Tue Dec 27, 2016 2:02 pm

Herskerstad wrote:Apparently he just sent out a tweet saying. "All I want for Christmas is White Genocide."

Given that he is giving Palpatine a run for his money on skin color it boggles the mind.

It's called being a troll.

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Postby Herskerstad » Tue Dec 27, 2016 2:10 pm

Genivaria wrote:
Herskerstad wrote:Apparently he just sent out a tweet saying. "All I want for Christmas is White Genocide."

Given that he is giving Palpatine a run for his money on skin color it boggles the mind.

It's called being a troll.


I'd believe that more if he was not a communist who advocated for the return of it's violent ways.
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Postby Hatsunia » Tue Dec 27, 2016 2:15 pm

"White genocide" is typically a far-right talking point used to hate on interracial relationships.

But those tweets were a mistake.
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Tue Dec 27, 2016 2:39 pm

Caracasus wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:Um, the Haitian genocide was an actual genocide, not just interacial marriage


So he genuinely wanted white genocide? I did not see where he was tweating about that.

Well the tweet specifically said "massacre" not white genocide
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Postby MERIZoC » Tue Dec 27, 2016 2:44 pm

It's sad to see the university (and so many liberals and the media lol) bowing to white supremacist pressure. Anyone with half a brain can realize that this was a joke to mock the made up concept of "white genocide". It's a far-right euphemism for immigration and interracial marriage, and the fact that people are taking this seriously is stupid.

But hey, that's not all. Let's talk about academic freedom for a second, eh? I wonder how many of the crybaby alt-rightists complaining that he should be fired are the same people who have argued against safe spaces on campuses. Argued that people should be able to say whatever they want and that universities shouldn't censor speech.

This news story has been filled with hypocrisy from the right and racist kowtowing from the left, both with their manufactured outrage over nothing. Get over it.

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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Tue Dec 27, 2016 2:48 pm

MERIZoC wrote:It's sad to see the university (and so many liberals and the media lol) bowing to white supremacist pressure. Anyone with half a brain can realize that this was a joke to mock the made up concept of "white genocide". It's a far-right euphemism for immigration and interracial marriage, and the fact that people are taking this seriously is stupid.

But hey, that's not all. Let's talk about academic freedom for a second, eh? I wonder how many of the crybaby alt-rightists complaining that he should be fired are the same people who have argued against safe spaces on campuses. Argued that people should be able to say whatever they want and that universities shouldn't censor speech.

This news story has been filled with hypocrisy from the right and racist kowtowing from the left, both with their manufactured outrage over nothing. Get over it.

Well when the original joke was saying it was good people got massacred, it's understandable people got upset.
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Postby MERIZoC » Tue Dec 27, 2016 2:49 pm

Internationalist Bastard wrote:
MERIZoC wrote:It's sad to see the university (and so many liberals and the media lol) bowing to white supremacist pressure. Anyone with half a brain can realize that this was a joke to mock the made up concept of "white genocide". It's a far-right euphemism for immigration and interracial marriage, and the fact that people are taking this seriously is stupid.

But hey, that's not all. Let's talk about academic freedom for a second, eh? I wonder how many of the crybaby alt-rightists complaining that he should be fired are the same people who have argued against safe spaces on campuses. Argued that people should be able to say whatever they want and that universities shouldn't censor speech.

This news story has been filled with hypocrisy from the right and racist kowtowing from the left, both with their manufactured outrage over nothing. Get over it.

Well when the original joke was saying it was good people got massacred, it's understandable people got upset.

Excuse me if I find people upset over the fact that slaves killed their oppressors to be rather idiotic.

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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Tue Dec 27, 2016 2:50 pm

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Internationalist Bastard wrote:Well when the original joke was saying it was good people got massacred, it's understandable people got upset.

Excuse me if I find people upset over the fact that slaves killed their oppressors to be rather idiotic.

Well it started as that but it got rather....genocidy. Rounding people up, killing children, that sorta stuff. Not every white person on the island was a slave owner
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Postby MERIZoC » Tue Dec 27, 2016 2:52 pm

Internationalist Bastard wrote:
MERIZoC wrote:Excuse me if I find people upset over the fact that slaves killed their oppressors to be rather idiotic.

Well it started as that but it got rather....genocidy. Rounding people up, killing children, that sorta stuff. Not every white person on the island was a slave owner

You reap what you sow.

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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Tue Dec 27, 2016 2:52 pm

MERIZoC wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:Well it started as that but it got rather....genocidy. Rounding people up, killing children, that sorta stuff. Not every white person on the island was a slave owner

You reap what you sow.

Not everyone on the island was a slave owner
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Postby MERIZoC » Tue Dec 27, 2016 2:53 pm

Also, petition in support of George for those of you who have gone unoffended.
https://www.change.org/p/drexel-university-5-000-signatures-to-support-george-ciccariello-maher

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Postby Geilinor » Tue Dec 27, 2016 2:53 pm

MERIZoC wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:Well it started as that but it got rather....genocidy. Rounding people up, killing children, that sorta stuff. Not every white person on the island was a slave owner

You reap what you sow.

What did the children sow that got them killed?
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