Islamic Discussion Thread ٣

[Behran]

Happy anniversary of the Islamic Revolution! Where the people of Iran overthrow the U.S. puppet dictator known as the Shah, and established the Islamic Republic. Where the Iranian people achieved Islam and democracy.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Happy anniversary of the Islamic Revolution! Where the people of Iran overthrow the U.S. puppet dictator known as the Shah, and established the Islamic Republic. Where the Iranian people achieved Islam and democracy.

I guess so.

[Gondolaulus]

That's...putting it out of context. It's regarding to fighting.

It's a call on Muslims to engage in worship and answer the call of the Messenger (SAAWS) this verse was relieved during the time of Uhud, Muhammad (SAAWS) called on the Muslims to gather even if they hated it and they had to obey as the Quran demands we obey Allah and his Messenger (SAAWS) obeying the Messenger is Ibadah (worship) like Salah, this is a pillar of Islam it's Shahada Bearing witness there is no God but Allah and Muhammad is his Messenger, when we bear witness we agree to obey the Almighty.

It's for a good reason that it is put in the same verse regarding combat. Combat is good for the soul, it removes oneself from wordily attachment and desires.

A true Muslim doesn't think whether he likes it or not. He does.

[Ghuraba Al-Khorusani]

http://legacy.quran.com/2/216 "But perhaps you hate a thing and it is good for you; and perhaps you love a thing and it is bad for you."
That's and al-lughat ul-'Arabiyyah is an awesome language.

Superior language coming through.

Is this why most of what is considered Turan is Islamic and has Arabic influences your languages?

[Ghuraba Al-Khorusani]

It's a call on Muslims to engage in worship and answer the call of the Messenger (SAAWS) this verse was relieved during the time of Uhud, Muhammad (SAAWS) called on the Muslims to gather even if they hated it and they had to obey as the Quran demands we obey Allah and his Messenger (SAAWS) obeying the Messenger is Ibadah (worship) like Salah, this is a pillar of Islam it's Shahada Bearing witness there is no God but Allah and Muhammad is his Messenger, when we bear witness we agree to obey the Almighty.

It's for a good reason that it is put in the same verse regarding combat. Combat is good for the soul, it removes oneself from wordily attachment and desires.

A true Muslim doesn't think whether he likes it or not. He does.

Are you saying you know better than Allah? Allah dictated the Quran a certain way for us to understand he chose to say what he said and we should take it as that his speech.

[Turan Turan Tun]

Superior language coming through.

Is this why most of what is considered Turan is Islamic and has Arabic influences your languages?

>Turkish
>Arabic influences

[Alsheb]

Happy anniversary of the Islamic Revolution! Where the people of Iran overthrow the U.S. puppet dictator known as the Shah, and established the Islamic Republic. Where the Iranian people achieved Islam and democracy.

Happy anniversary brother. Here's hoping more of the Islamic world will rid itself of its corrupted rulers soon too.

[Gondolaulus]

It's for a good reason that it is put in the same verse regarding combat. Combat is good for the soul, it removes oneself from wordily attachment and desires.

A true Muslim doesn't think whether he likes it or not. He does.

Are you saying you know better than Allah? Allah dictated the Quran a certain way for us to understand he chose to say what he said and we should take it as that his speech.

I find it funny that you claim you have absolute authority to know what is wrong and what is right based on a few Salafi preachers.

in the end, here on earth, might makes right.

[Ghuraba Al-Khorusani]

Are you saying you know better than Allah? Allah dictated the Quran a certain way for us to understand he chose to say what he said and we should take it as that his speech.

I find it funny that you claim you have absolute authority to know what is wrong and what is right based on a few Salafi preachers.

in the end, here on earth, might makes right.

Ta'ala has absolute authority, you still didn't address the point A true Muslim doesn't think whether he likes it or not. He does. you just made mass Takfeer, you call me a Takfeeri when you yourself just made mass Takfeer claiming anyone who claims to be a Muslim isn't Muslim if he thinks about the command of God, we are human and we are allowed to have opinions and we are allowed to dislike somethings this doesn't mean that we are not required to do them. This is why Jihad is called a burden and Jihad within itself is a very large definition with multiple types not just armed but in not sinning, fasting, marriage, praying, etc. Any act of worship can be Jihad and some scholars say that by trying to resit sin and what is Haram is Jihad there is a Hadith from the Prophet (SAAWS) saying our greatest battles are with our Nafs. The Quran was written for us to understand so we may obey the creator the worlds and lord of all.

[Alsheb]

Wait, how and when exactly did Gondolaulus invoke takfir?

[Andonisya]

Does Islam condone girlfriend/boyfriend/dating relationships?

I am especially curious about Alsheb's response...

[Alsheb]

Does Islam condone girlfriend/boyfriend/dating relationships?

I am especially curious about Alsheb's response...

Like with many things, it depends largely on which hadiths, fatwas, sheikhs... one chooses to follow.
But when it comes to Qur'anic scripture, what we would now call sexual relationships are condemned.

A good analysis on sexuality in Islam, at least in my opinion, is found here.
http://www.mpvusa.org/sexuality-diversity/

[Gondolaulus]

I find it funny that you claim you have absolute authority to know what is wrong and what is right based on a few Salafi preachers.

in the end, here on earth, might makes right.

Ta'ala has absolute authority, you still didn't address the point A true Muslim doesn't think whether he likes it or not. He does. you just made mass Takfeer, you call me a Takfeeri when you yourself just made mass Takfeer claiming anyone who claims to be a Muslim isn't Muslim if he thinks about the command of God, we are human and we are allowed to have opinions and we are allowed to dislike somethings this doesn't mean that we are not required to do them. This is why Jihad is called a burden and Jihad within itself is a very large definition with multiple types not just armed but in not sinning, fasting, marriage, praying, etc. Any act of worship can be Jihad and some scholars say that by trying to resit sin and what is Haram is Jihad there is a Hadith from the Prophet (SAAWS) saying our greatest battles are with our Nafs. The Quran was written for us to understand so we may obey the creator the worlds and lord of all.

I never stated that you are not a Muslim. I'm not a Salafi and I am not concerned who is and who is not a Muslim.

Something something Nafs tells me you should keep your own nafs in check before assuming things, that especially counts for you.

Sheikhs have no authority over me, only Allah swt.

[Gondolaulus]

Does Islam condone girlfriend/boyfriend/dating relationships?

I am especially curious about Alsheb's response...

Sex outside marriage is seen as haram, having affiliation for a person before marriage however is not.

[Andonisya]

Does Islam condone girlfriend/boyfriend/dating relationships?

I am especially curious about Alsheb's response...

Like with many things, it depends largely on which hadiths, fatwas, sheikhs... one chooses to follow.
But when it comes to Qur'anic scripture, what we would now call sexual relationships are condemned.

A good analysis on sexuality in Islam, at least in my opinion, is found here.
http://www.mpvusa.org/sexuality-diversity/

AT THE PROPHET’S TIME, WAS SEX ONLY PERMITTED BETWEEN A FORMALLY-MARRIED HUSBAND AND WIFE?

No. Sex was allowed as part of a number of relationships. Most of these relationships involved a kind of contract, or agreement. Some relationship contracts were formal. A formal marriage would include witnesses and the marriage agreement might be written down and signed. Other relationship contracts were informal—they were understood by the community at the time but might not be written down or include a formal ceremony with witnesses. In the time of the Prophet Muhammad(PBUH), sex could be part of informal contract relationships, such as “temporary marriages.” When slavery was legal, sexual relationships between slaves and their owners also was permitted.

Today, we usually don’t think of marriages and other relationships “contracts,” but many relationships are based on an agreement of some kind. Some relationship agreements are written down and legally tie people together, while other relationship agreements are made orally (by talking).

Then how do you explain this?

Sounds like some good old dating... or boyfriend/girlfriend relationships

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Like with many things, it depends largely on which hadiths, fatwas, sheikhs... one chooses to follow.
But when it comes to Qur'anic scripture, what we would now call sexual relationships are condemned.

A good analysis on sexuality in Islam, at least in my opinion, is found here.
http://www.mpvusa.org/sexuality-diversity/

AT THE PROPHET’S TIME, WAS SEX ONLY PERMITTED BETWEEN A FORMALLY-MARRIED HUSBAND AND WIFE?

No. Sex was allowed as part of a number of relationships. Most of these relationships involved a kind of contract, or agreement. Some relationship contracts were formal. A formal marriage would include witnesses and the marriage agreement might be written down and signed. Other relationship contracts were informal—they were understood by the community at the time but might not be written down or include a formal ceremony with witnesses. In the time of the Prophet Muhammad(PBUH), sex could be part of informal contract relationships, such as “temporary marriages.” When slavery was legal, sexual relationships between slaves and their owners also was permitted.

Today, we usually don’t think of marriages and other relationships “contracts,” but many relationships are based on an agreement of some kind. Some relationship agreements are written down and legally tie people together, while other relationship agreements are made orally (by talking).

Then how do you explain this?

Sounds like some good old dating... or boyfriend/girlfriend relationships

Was this from Alsheb's website, or another Islamic website? If the latter, what is it called?

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Then how do you explain this?

Sounds like some good old dating... or boyfriend/girlfriend relationships

Was this from Alsheb's website, or another Islamic website? If the latter, what is it called?

nvm

[Free Rhenish States II]

Whoever asked what the punishment for homosexuality was. It's death penalty.
https://islamqa.info/en/38622

Just came back and already calling for death, I see.

Unlike you, I follow Islam as it should be, instead of pleasing the unbelievers. You can go and tell them you love homosexuals and support their rights, but my record is clean of such wrongdoing.

Just came back and already calling for death, I see.

He isn't he's answering a question as to what the opinions of homosexuality are and he linked a 3rd party resource with an answer.

This is a site of a good Sheikh, which is evidence, not an answer. Unlike many people here, I prefer evidence over argufying.

To be honest, I feel the same thing

Your signature is Haram brother, sinning in public and exposing it is also Haram, fear Allah.
I am not trillingual, I am sexlingual.

Do you know what it means?
I don't speak three languages, I speak six languages
Sex means six in latin. Validate your facts before false accusations, for false accusations are a sin. Fear Allah.

Whoever asked what the punishment for homosexuality was. It's death penalty.
https://islamqa.info/en/38622

https://sunnah.com/tirmidhi/17/40, https://sunnah.com/urn/1268790, https://sunnah.com/urn/1268780,
Graded as Hasan, not SaHeeH; I can show more if you wish.

This does in no way contradict my link.

[Free Rhenish States II]

Happy anniversary of the Islamic Revolution! Where the people of Iran overthrow the U.S. puppet dictator known as the Shah, and established the Islamic Republic. Where the Iranian people achieved Islam and democracy.

Allah gave you godly celebrations to celebrate, and you are congratulating everyone here with a secular celebration?
That's pretty haram.

[Ghuraba Al-Khorusani]

Just came back and already calling for death, I see.

Unlike you, I follow Islam as it should be, instead of pleasing the unbelievers. You can go and tell them you love homosexuals and support their rights, but my record is clean of such wrongdoing.

He isn't he's answering a question as to what the opinions of homosexuality are and he linked a 3rd party resource with an answer.

This is a site of a good Sheikh, which is evidence, not an answer. Unlike many people here, I prefer evidence over argufying.

Your signature is Haram brother, sinning in public and exposing it is also Haram, fear Allah.
I am not trillingual, I am sexlingual.

Do you know what it means?
I don't speak three languages, I speak six languages
Sex means six in latin. Validate your facts before false accusations, for false accusations are a sin. Fear Allah.

https://sunnah.com/tirmidhi/17/40, https://sunnah.com/urn/1268790, https://sunnah.com/urn/1268780,
Graded as Hasan, not SaHeeH; I can show more if you wish.

This does in no way contradict my link.

What google gave me Wallahi my apologizes this is what the results came up with when I looked it up.

[Free Rhenish States II]

Unlike you, I follow Islam as it should be, instead of pleasing the unbelievers. You can go and tell them you love homosexuals and support their rights, but my record is clean of such wrongdoing.

This is a site of a good Sheikh, which is evidence, not an answer. Unlike many people here, I prefer evidence over argufying.

Do you know what it means?
I don't speak three languages, I speak six languages
Sex means six in latin. Validate your facts before false accusations, for false accusations are a sin. Fear Allah.

This does in no way contradict my link.

What google gave me Wallahi my apologizes this is what the results came up with when I looked it up.

No worries, akhi. There's no need to make a big deal out of it. We're on the same side, after all.

[Mahdistan]

What google gave me Wallahi my apologizes this is what the results came up with when I looked it up.

No worries, akhi. There's no need to make a big deal out of it. We're on the same side, after all.

There are no 'sides' in Islam- there is only Islam

[Ghuraba Al-Khorusani]

What google gave me Wallahi my apologizes this is what the results came up with when I looked it up.

No worries, akhi. There's no need to make a big deal out of it. We're on the same side, after all.

Jazak Allah Khayr

[Free Rhenish States II]

No worries, akhi. There's no need to make a big deal out of it. We're on the same side, after all.

There are no 'sides' in Islam- there is only Islam

Should you have forgotten that hadith, I will remind you.
Imām al-Barbahārī (V died 329 AH) stated: “Know that Allah’s Messenger (H) said: “My ummah will divide into 73 sects, all of them will be in the Fire except for one, and that is the Jamā’ah.” It was said, “And who are they, O Allah’s Messenger?” He responded, “That which I and my Companions are upon today.”

There are sides everywhere, especially in Islam. Either you choose the right path or the path of the deviant eclectic sectarians, or the goddamn "moderates". Tertium non datur.

[Free Rhenish States II]

No worries, akhi. There's no need to make a big deal out of it. We're on the same side, after all.

Jazak Allah Khayr

Aleykum.