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Do You Approve Of The Manner In Which Trump And His Team Are Handling The Transition?

Yes, absolutely
219
28%
Generally yes, but with some reservations that I'll post in the thread.
84
11%
Not sure/Neutral
98
13%
Generally no, but with some hopeful signs that I'll post in the thread
49
6%
Not at all
320
42%
 
Total votes : 770

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Lady Scylla
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Postby Lady Scylla » Sun Jan 01, 2017 2:12 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Lady Scylla wrote:
I ain't a pirate, y'hear? I'm just a foul-mouthed sailor from the west end of the Queen's derrière.


Shame, you'd make a good pirate :p


I usually am on space games. I illegally smuggle on Elite: Dangerous. :lol:

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Southerly Gentleman
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Postby Southerly Gentleman » Sun Jan 01, 2017 2:12 pm

Lady Scylla wrote:
Southerly Gentleman wrote:Even the extreme constantly-toeing-the-Dem-party-line anti-Trump connoisseurs would be averse to fraud like that, unless they're total and shameless hypocrites.


Everyone's a hypocrite.

true enough. Some far more than others.
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San Lumen
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Postby San Lumen » Sun Jan 01, 2017 2:13 pm

Balkenreich wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Actually I do and that's why I would do it. The electoral college didn't do its job so I'd cause a constitutional crisis


That has the potential to destroy the very country you claim you love.

When, in Truth, youre just being spiteful and would rather see it destroyed.

and how exactly would it destroy the country by saving the people from themselves?

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Actually I do and that's why I would do it. The electoral college didn't do its job so I'd cause a constitutional crisis


No, no you don't. You're arguing for government officials to commit fraud and change the results of an election because someone you don't like won. For someone who likes to rant about the integrity of our elections being gone you sure seem eager to make it worse.

Lady Scylla wrote:
That's a double-edged sword. Or is it kettle-black kinda thing? I can't remember, I have whisky.


Rum is better tbh.


I would rather see a constitutional crisis then see Trump take office and since the electoral college failed to stop trump Id cause one on purpose. How would i be making it worse? Id be saving the people from themselves and protecting the republic and potentially the world from a madman who would launch nukes because someone insulted him. But the nuclear experts know nothing right? They just call themselves experts because they feel like it.

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Hurdergaryp
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Postby Hurdergaryp » Sun Jan 01, 2017 2:13 pm

Lady Scylla wrote:
Southerly Gentleman wrote:Even the extreme constantly-toeing-the-Dem-party-line anti-Trump connoisseurs would be averse to fraud like that, unless they're total and shameless hypocrites.

Everyone's a hypocrite.

Machiavelli considered that to be a necessary character trait for any leader.


“Everything under heaven is in utter chaos; the situation is excellent.”
Mao Zedong

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Lady Scylla
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Postby Lady Scylla » Sun Jan 01, 2017 2:14 pm

Hurdergaryp wrote:
Lady Scylla wrote:Everyone's a hypocrite.

Machiavelli considered that to be a necessary character trait for any leader.


I do love me some Machiavelli.

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Balkenreich
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Postby Balkenreich » Sun Jan 01, 2017 2:15 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Balkenreich wrote:
That has the potential to destroy the very country you claim you love.

When, in Truth, youre just being spiteful and would rather see it destroyed.

and how exactly would it destroy the country by saving the people from themselves?


Ah, the excuse of Tyrants.
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Lady Scylla
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Postby Lady Scylla » Sun Jan 01, 2017 2:15 pm

Balkenreich wrote:
San Lumen wrote:and how exactly would it destroy the country by saving the people from themselves?


Ah, the excuse of Tyrants.


To be fair, the general public of any nation is pretty sub-par.

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Washington Resistance Army
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sun Jan 01, 2017 2:15 pm

San Lumen wrote:I would rather see a constitutional crisis then see Trump take office and since the electoral college failed to stop trump Id cause one on purpose. How would i be making it worse? Id be saving the people from themselves and protecting the republic and potentially the world from a madman who would launch nukes because someone insulted him. But the nuclear experts know nothing right? They just call themselves experts because they feel like it.


Don't even get started on the nuclear weapons bullshit again. You're just wrong as has been explained to you by a dozen different people.

I also really love your whole "save the people from themselves" spiel. We might as well just entirely do away with elections and make a single party state for the Dems right?
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Southerly Gentleman
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Postby Southerly Gentleman » Sun Jan 01, 2017 2:16 pm

Hurdergaryp wrote:
Lady Scylla wrote:Everyone's a hypocrite.

Machiavelli considered that to be a necessary character trait for any leader.

There's bona fide doublethink hypocrisy, and then there's disingenuous hypocrisy done for political convenience. Methinks ol Niccolò was writing of the latter.
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Postby Hurdergaryp » Sun Jan 01, 2017 2:16 pm

Lady Scylla wrote:
Hurdergaryp wrote:Machiavelli considered that to be a necessary character trait for any leader.

I do love me some Machiavelli.

He's the ultimate guide to gaining and maintaining power in a dangerous world.


“Everything under heaven is in utter chaos; the situation is excellent.”
Mao Zedong

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Lady Scylla
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Postby Lady Scylla » Sun Jan 01, 2017 2:16 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
San Lumen wrote:I would rather see a constitutional crisis then see Trump take office and since the electoral college failed to stop trump Id cause one on purpose. How would i be making it worse? Id be saving the people from themselves and protecting the republic and potentially the world from a madman who would launch nukes because someone insulted him. But the nuclear experts know nothing right? They just call themselves experts because they feel like it.


Don't even get started on the nuclear weapons bullshit again. You're just wrong as has been explained to you by a dozen different people.

I also really love your whole "save the people from themselves" spiel. We might as well just entirely do away with elections and make a single party state for the Dems right?


I volunteer to be your Autocrat!

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Washington Resistance Army
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Father Knows Best State

Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sun Jan 01, 2017 2:17 pm

Lady Scylla wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Don't even get started on the nuclear weapons bullshit again. You're just wrong as has been explained to you by a dozen different people.

I also really love your whole "save the people from themselves" spiel. We might as well just entirely do away with elections and make a single party state for the Dems right?


I volunteer to be your Autocrat!


A space pirate ruling the single party USA.

Seems legit.
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Southerly Gentleman
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Founded: Mar 07, 2016
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Postby Southerly Gentleman » Sun Jan 01, 2017 2:18 pm

Lady Scylla wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Don't even get started on the nuclear weapons bullshit again. You're just wrong as has been explained to you by a dozen different people.

I also really love your whole "save the people from themselves" spiel. We might as well just entirely do away with elections and make a single party state for the Dems right?


I volunteer to be your Autocrat!

Autarch*

we want Visari!
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Sanctissima
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Postby Sanctissima » Sun Jan 01, 2017 2:19 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Balkenreich wrote:
That has the potential to destroy the very country you claim you love.

When, in Truth, youre just being spiteful and would rather see it destroyed.


and how exactly would it destroy the country by saving the people from themselves?


By this point, why even pretend?

Just admit you don't give a rat's ass about democracy.

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Lady Scylla
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Founded: Nov 22, 2015
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Postby Lady Scylla » Sun Jan 01, 2017 2:21 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Lady Scylla wrote:
I volunteer to be your Autocrat!


A space pirate ruling the single party USA.

Seems legit.


It's perfect!

Image

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Blakk Metal
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Founded: Jun 07, 2012
Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Blakk Metal » Sun Jan 01, 2017 2:22 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
San Lumen wrote:I would rather see a constitutional crisis then see Trump take office and since the electoral college failed to stop trump Id cause one on purpose. How would i be making it worse? Id be saving the people from themselves and protecting the republic and potentially the world from a madman who would launch nukes because someone insulted him. But the nuclear experts know nothing right? They just call themselves experts because they feel like it.


Don't even get started on the nuclear weapons bullshit again. You're just wrong as has been explained to you by a dozen different people.

I also really love your whole "save the people from themselves" spiel. We might as well just entirely do away with elections and make a single party state for the Dems right?

That would wonders for government transparency. You know Democrats and their computers.

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Lady Scylla
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Postby Lady Scylla » Sun Jan 01, 2017 2:23 pm

Sanctissima wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
and how exactly would it destroy the country by saving the people from themselves?


By this point, why even pretend?

Just admit you don't give a rat's ass about democracy.


Alright, I don't give a rat's ass about democracy. I give a an opossum's ass.

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Hurdergaryp
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Postby Hurdergaryp » Sun Jan 01, 2017 2:27 pm

Lady Scylla wrote:
Sanctissima wrote:By this point, why even pretend?

Just admit you don't give a rat's ass about democracy.

Alright, I don't give a rat's ass about democracy. I give a an opossum's ass.

Personally I give about tree fiddy about democracy.


“Everything under heaven is in utter chaos; the situation is excellent.”
Mao Zedong

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Lady Scylla
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Postby Lady Scylla » Sun Jan 01, 2017 2:30 pm

Hurdergaryp wrote:
Lady Scylla wrote:Alright, I don't give a rat's ass about democracy. I give a an opossum's ass.

Personally I give about tree fiddy about democracy.


I just now read the confusion of my indefinite article there. :lol2:

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San Lumen
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Founded: Jul 02, 2009
Liberal Democratic Socialists

Postby San Lumen » Sun Jan 01, 2017 2:30 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
San Lumen wrote:I would rather see a constitutional crisis then see Trump take office and since the electoral college failed to stop trump Id cause one on purpose. How would i be making it worse? Id be saving the people from themselves and protecting the republic and potentially the world from a madman who would launch nukes because someone insulted him. But the nuclear experts know nothing right? They just call themselves experts because they feel like it.


Don't even get started on the nuclear weapons bullshit again. You're just wrong as has been explained to you by a dozen different people.

I also really love your whole "save the people from themselves" spiel. We might as well just entirely do away with elections and make a single party state for the Dems right?

So all the nuclear experts are wrong? They just call themselves experts because they feel like it right? Just like the economic experts who say Trump knows nothing about the economy just call themselves experts because they choose too?

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Lady Scylla
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Postby Lady Scylla » Sun Jan 01, 2017 2:32 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Don't even get started on the nuclear weapons bullshit again. You're just wrong as has been explained to you by a dozen different people.

I also really love your whole "save the people from themselves" spiel. We might as well just entirely do away with elections and make a single party state for the Dems right?

So all the nuclear experts are wrong? They just call themselves experts because they feel like it right? Just like the economic experts who say Trump knows nothing about the economy just call themselves experts because they choose too?


I'm an expert in expertise.

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Uxupox
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Founded: Nov 13, 2014
Ex-Nation

Postby Uxupox » Sun Jan 01, 2017 2:33 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Don't even get started on the nuclear weapons bullshit again. You're just wrong as has been explained to you by a dozen different people.

I also really love your whole "save the people from themselves" spiel. We might as well just entirely do away with elections and make a single party state for the Dems right?

So all the nuclear experts are wrong? They just call themselves experts because they feel like it right? Just like the economic experts who say Trump knows nothing about the economy just call themselves experts because they choose too?


Economic experts disagree with each other all the time.
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Washington Resistance Army
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Father Knows Best State

Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sun Jan 01, 2017 2:33 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Don't even get started on the nuclear weapons bullshit again. You're just wrong as has been explained to you by a dozen different people.

I also really love your whole "save the people from themselves" spiel. We might as well just entirely do away with elections and make a single party state for the Dems right?

So all the nuclear experts are wrong? They just call themselves experts because they feel like it right? Just like the economic experts who say Trump knows nothing about the economy just call themselves experts because they choose too?


Alright I'll bite. Show me a single expert on how American nuclear procedure works claiming Trump can single handedly launch a first strike.

All this time you've been talking about "muh experts" you haven't listed a single one of them. It's almost as if they don't exist because if they were experts they would know about the 2 man rule.
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Salandriagado
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Postby Salandriagado » Sun Jan 01, 2017 2:41 pm

G-Tech Corporation wrote:
San Lumen wrote:it wouldn't be destroying democracy. Id be stopping the destruction of the republic and potentially the world. If it was any other republican I wouldn't be saying this.


The sky is falling. Make sure we burn all the kittens and throw out all the babies with the bath water before the flames reach us.

Salandriagado wrote:
No, he will be your President. That is no reason to be respectful of him, though. People in power should always be criticised as much as they deserve.


Actually, Trump will be the President of every citizen and resident of the United States of America, just as Obama was before him.


I'm neither a citizen nor a resident of the United States of America, hence my wording.
Cosara wrote:
Anachronous Rex wrote:Good thing most a majority of people aren't so small-minded, and frightened of other's sexuality.

Over 40% (including me), are, so I fixed the post for accuracy.

Vilatania wrote:
Salandriagado wrote:
Notice that the link is to the notes from a university course on probability. You clearly have nothing beyond the most absurdly simplistic understanding of the subject.
By choosing 1, you no longer have 0 probability of choosing 1. End of subject.

(read up the quote stack)

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San Lumen
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Liberal Democratic Socialists

Postby San Lumen » Sun Jan 01, 2017 2:43 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
San Lumen wrote:So all the nuclear experts are wrong? They just call themselves experts because they feel like it right? Just like the economic experts who say Trump knows nothing about the economy just call themselves experts because they choose too?


Alright I'll bite. Show me a single expert on how American nuclear procedure works claiming Trump can single handedly launch a first strike.

All this time you've been talking about "muh experts" you haven't listed a single one of them. It's almost as if they don't exist because if they were experts they would know about the 2 man rule.

I know i saw a clip but cannot find it at the moment. The two man rule only applies in the missile silos and submarines. The President still has sole authority to order a launch. There is no check on that.
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