Transgender Discussion Thread III: Vote in our poll!

[Farburg]

You know what, no,
Transphobia is not comparable to racism.
We need more rhetoric criticizing all this snowflakery.

I mean I consider being an asshole to someone because they identity as a different gender is pretty fucked up and not just us being snowflakes.

I have my limit, I personally can take the simple mtf or ftm but anything other than that just sounds so stupid.

[Auzkhia]

Why should I, as a trans person, hear more transphobia? Stuff that has proved harmful to developing minds of trans youth?

Because we don’t pretend to believe the delusions of schizophrenic people,
So why should we entertain your delusions.

Nice ableism pal, way to include people with mental health conditions in your response!

That's a loaded question, and it goes back to points already said, either that trans debates means that I have to convince you that I exist as I say I do, or that you should follow some basic etiquette.

[Farburg]

Because we don’t pretend to believe the delusions of schizophrenic people,
So why should we entertain your delusions.

Why should we entertain your poorly delivered shit-tier arguments?

I’m starting to think I’ve been arguing with myself of how to comprehend all this more than anything else.

[Soviet Technocracy2]

You know what, no,
Transphobia is not comparable to racism.
We need more rhetoric criticizing all this snowflakery.

I don't know what "snowflakery" is. They've done brain scans on trans people.
They do have brains more like the gender they prefer.

Not that that really matters. I don't expect people believe in transgenderism, but I do insist they be civil.
You don't get to say nigger or faggot, and if someone says don't call them a woman, you don't call them a women.

[Western Vale Confederacy]

You’d only be strengthening their often recurring points about how they are being silenced, then.

That argument is bunk.

Reactionaries are not pro-free speech, they are pro-forced listening. There is a difference and a lot of centrists fall for their tricks and don't realize it.

Again, if you are attempting to silence them, you are actually proving their point CORRECT, thus strengthening their resolve and base.

You’d literally be aiding them by silencing them, it’s secretly what they want.

[Andsed]

I mean I consider being an asshole to someone because they identity as a different gender is pretty fucked up and not just us being snowflakes.

I have my limit, I personally can take the simple mtf or ftm but anything other than that just sounds so stupid.

And why do you care how it sounds? I mean does it really offend you or are you just looking to be offended?

[Farburg]

You know what, no,
Transphobia is not comparable to racism.
We need more rhetoric criticizing all this snowflakery.

I don't know what "snowflakery" is. They've done brain scans on trans people.
Not that that really matters. I don't expect people believe in transgenderism, but I do insist they be civil.
You don't get to say nigger or faggot, and if someone says don't call them a woman, you don't call them a women.

LANGUAGE...
Also race and sexuality are far more legitimate than “gender”

[Soviet Technocracy2]

I have my limit, I personally can take the simple mtf or ftm but anything other than that just sounds so stupid.

It's called variation.

[Ifreann]

You’d only be strengthening their often recurring points about how they are being silenced, then.

Yeah it is a bit of a tight walk. I mean you don't want them to spread hateful messages but you also don't want to give them ammunition about how they are being silenced.

Deplatform them and no one will hear them when they cry about being deplatformed.

[Andsed]

Yeah it is a bit of a tight walk. I mean you don't want them to spread hateful messages but you also don't want to give them ammunition about how they are being silenced.

Deplatform them and no one will hear them when they cry about being deplatformed.

Fair enough.

[Farnhamia]

Why should we entertain your poorly delivered shit-tier arguments?

I’m starting to think I’ve been arguing with myself of how to comprehend all this more than anything else.

Perhaps you should avoid the thread. After all, you've made your point. I sense your frustration comes from the general lack of acceptance you've met with.

[Soviet Technocracy2]

LANGUAGE...

Yes, language.

Also race and sexuality are far more legitimate than “gender”

I don't care.

[Auzkhia]

That argument is bunk.

Reactionaries are not pro-free speech, they are pro-forced listening. There is a difference and a lot of centrists fall for their tricks and don't realize it.

Again, if you are attempting to silence them, you are actually proving their point CORRECT, thus strengthening their resolve and base.

You’d literally be aiding them by silencing them, it’s secretly what they want.

This also sums up my point.

There's also the "paradox of tolerance", in which ones has to not tolerate bigotry to preserve a society build on tolerance and acceptance of different folks and minorities.

[Farburg]

Yeah it is a bit of a tight walk. I mean you don't want them to spread hateful messages but you also don't want to give them ammunition about how they are being silenced.

Deplatform them and no one will hear them when they cry about being deplatformed.

Freedom of speech is far more important than freedom of identity

[Western Vale Confederacy]

Yeah it is a bit of a tight walk. I mean you don't want them to spread hateful messages but you also don't want to give them ammunition about how they are being silenced.

Deplatform them and no one will hear them when they cry about being deplatformed.

Way to pad the echo chambers and dig the trench even wider.

[Andsed]

I don't know what "snowflakery" is. They've done brain scans on trans people.
Not that that really matters. I don't expect people believe in transgenderism, but I do insist they be civil.
You don't get to say nigger or faggot, and if someone says don't call them a woman, you don't call them a women.

LANGUAGE...
Also race and sexuality are far more legitimate than “gender”

Your point being?

[Ifreann]

Deplatform them and no one will hear them when they cry about being deplatformed.

Freedom of speech is far more important than freedom of identity

Freedom of speech isn't a right to a platform. You can't make other people broadcast your message if they don't want to.

[Western Vale Confederacy]

Again, if you are attempting to silence them, you are actually proving their point CORRECT, thus strengthening their resolve and base.

You’d literally be aiding them by silencing them, it’s secretly what they want.

This also sums up my point.

There's also the "paradox of tolerance", in which ones has to not tolerate bigotry to preserve a society build on tolerance and acceptance of different folks and minorities.

They can literally weaponize that same paradox so that they don’t have to accept you, it goes both ways.

They think they’re right, you think you’re right, nobody is going nowhere, simple as that.

[Auzkhia]

Deplatform them and no one will hear them when they cry about being deplatformed.

Way to pad the echo chambers and dig the trench even wider.

Again, why should one listen to arguments that incite violence towards marginalized groups, especially if I am a member of one of those groups?

Trans people not listening to transphobia and cis ignorance is self-care, we get bombarded with that often, sometimes a person just needs a break from the hate.

This also sums up my point.

There's also the "paradox of tolerance", in which ones has to not tolerate bigotry to preserve a society build on tolerance and acceptance of different folks and minorities.

They can literally weaponize that same paradox so that they don’t have to accept you, it goes both ways.

They think they’re right, you think you’re right, nobody is going nowhere, simple as that.

The only way reactionaries would accept me is if they give up their ideas, and once they do, I'd be willing to talk to them.

[Western Vale Confederacy]

Way to pad the echo chambers and dig the trench even wider.

Again, why should one listen to arguments that incite violence towards marginalized groups, especially if I am a member of one of those groups?

Trans people not listening to transphobia and cis ignorance is self-care, we get bombarded with that often, sometimes a person just needs a break from the hate.

They can literally weaponize that same paradox so that they don’t have to accept you, it goes both ways.

They think they’re right, you think you’re right, nobody is going nowhere, simple as that.

The only way reactionaries would accept me is if they give up their ideas, and once they do, I'd be willing to talk to them.

This is the thing, your side wants to deplatform them, their side wants to drive you out of any positions of influence.

It’s literally gonna be going nowhere, a game of neverending shitfuck chess where they try to outplay eachother with as many loopholes as they can scrounge up.

[Khasinkonia]

Again, why should one listen to arguments that incite violence towards marginalized groups, especially if I am a member of one of those groups?

Trans people not listening to transphobia and cis ignorance is self-care, we get bombarded with that often, sometimes a person just needs a break from the hate.

The only way reactionaries would accept me is if they give up their ideas, and once they do, I'd be willing to talk to them.

This is the thing, your side wants to deplatform them, their side wants to drive you out of any positions of influence.

It’s literally gonna be going nowhere, a game of neverending shitfuck chess where they try to outplay eachother with as many loopholes as they can scrounge up.

Personally, I think if anyone is winning, it’s the side of progress. Certainly, we see places where reactionary ideals hold fast, but if you look around, the world at large generally gets a little more accepting each year. For us, I feel like exposure is enough. If we keep cool heads and show the world our reason, each new generation will be more open, as I believe we can see.

[Soviet Technocracy2]

Freedom of speech is far more important than freedom of identity

Not really. One is who you are, the other is your right to shit on people for it for no real reason.

[Farburg]

You know what, I’m just going to sum up what I beleive and then leave you all to be upset about it.

I beleive, that gender in English is the same as sex because that’s what English decided to base gender on (even though English doesn’t use gender that often in grammar compared to Spanish or French). The two genders were named after the two sexes male and female, and the only way to make gender not be the same as sex would to be get rid of the current two and make a new system based on some other attribute like handedness or animation.

All most all the other “genders” I’ve been introduced to are either just a combination of female and male attributes or a lack of gender at all, and somehow people have made tons of genders that seemingly mean the same thing like neutrois, agender, and androgynous. And these genders are not literal mixes of the two sexes but instead just mixtures of stereotypes applied to members of the two sexes, which is stupid.

The only reason why people make these new genders rather than just transferring between male and female is because they think gender is about a bunch of meaningless skin deep attributes like what they like to where or how they like to act, they even confuse it sexuality sometimes. The other reason is because they just want to make them self part of a new trendy minority so they can claim oppression against normal people and see themselves as the good guy. So many people non-binary or otherwise have been pretending to be civil rights activists equal to king or b. Anthony because it’s the only way they can think of making their lives feel meangingful, which is really sad.

Some people are born as hermaphrodites but this is not a third sex, it’s a deformity. Early when I said tranvestite I meant hemaphrodite. Anything between make and female of something that desexes someone entirely are deformities not other sexes. The two sexes are based on healthy normal functioning mammals with no genetic diseases or deformities.

The two gender system is easy to conform to, you simply identify as one or the other, no gender role BS. If you aren’t capable of choosing one than you probably have some sort of personality disorder like histrionic or even narcissistic disorder. Get it in your head that you are not special, unique, or important and neither is anyone else.

While I would acknowledge someone going from male to female or vice versa pronoun wise, people still don’t have to play along. They’ll usually call you he or she if you look like one or have a name associated with he or she, if you are really ambiguous they may just say they. But anything else is a burden. They can use whatever pronouns they want because speech is more important than your identity. If your identity requires reassurance from other maybe the problem is with you.

But overall, I think non-binary people are mostly just transtrenders who want an anti privilege card because it makes them feel morally superior to those who aren’t. I don’t have to acknowledge your stunts because they are stupid and weird, and so are some of you.

If was otherkin and believed I was actually a wolf, would you want to be forced to play along?
Imagine if you had to pretend the earth was flat every time a flat earther was around, that’s how non-binary people can be.

And if you really truly unirinicalky use neopronouns...you DESERVE to be oppressed.

[Farburg]

Because we don’t pretend to believe the delusions of schizophrenic people,
So why should we entertain your delusions.

Nice ableism pal, way to include people with mental health conditions in your response!

That's a loaded question, and it goes back to points already said, either that trans debates means that I have to convince you that I exist as I say I do, or that you should follow some basic etiquette.

Most schizophrenic people know they have halicinations are need someone to tell the what’s real.
I am not ableist, I have Asperger’s syndrome. I hate it when you guys use intersectionality. Especially when you pull in religious groups like Muslims who want to kill you because your trans.

[Western Vale Confederacy]

This is the thing, your side wants to deplatform them, their side wants to drive you out of any positions of influence.

It’s literally gonna be going nowhere, a game of neverending shitfuck chess where they try to outplay eachother with as many loopholes as they can scrounge up.

Personally, I think if anyone is winning, it’s the side of progress. Certainly, we see places where reactionary ideals hold fast, but if you look around, the world at large generally gets a little more accepting each year. For us, I feel like exposure is enough. If we keep cool heads and show the world our reason, each new generation will be more open, as I believe we can see.

The world and its views as shifting as usual, the whole dualistic "The right/left is evil! We must defeat the right/left in order to truly be free!" concept just does not appeal to me.