Hillary Clinton could still win the presidency

[Daburuetchi]

Still holding my breath for the Sanderista Liberation Front to coup the government! Yeah no Clinton ain't gonna steal the presidency.

[Galloism]

One of the things I would like to see is automatic voter registration. Every citizen becomes registered when they turn 18. We could send em a little card in the mail.

Fixed that for you, because you are either implying that resident aliens/illegal aliens/immigrants aren't people, or that you're going to give them the vote, both of which would be unconstitutional and against the good faith of the country.

Bad wording on my part. Not intentional.

[The Romulan Republic]

Still holding my breath for the Sanderista Liberation Front to coup the government! Yeah no Clinton ain't gonna steal the presidency.

Sanders would never support violent revolt. He's not Donald Trump.

[Free Missouri]

Fixed that for you, because you are either implying that resident aliens/illegal aliens/immigrants aren't people, or that you're going to give them the vote, both of which would be unconstitutional and against the good faith of the country.

No, there is no federal constitutional requirement that persons need to be a citizen to vote. It wasn't until circa 1920 that citizenship became a requirement to vote in the United States. Prior, in nearly every state all one had to be was a permanent resident.

Well I believe that it is imperative to the protection of our republic that one be a citizen to vote.

I mean a permanent immigrant with intention to become the citizen would only have to miss one maybe two presidential elections, it isn't that bad.

[The Greater German Federal Republic]

It would be very undemocratic if the Republican electorals would vote for Hillary, since the voters want them to elect Trump, not Clinton.

While concerns about the electoral college being less democratic might be understandable to some degree, I am sure that if Clinton won, it wouldn't be such a topic.

But then again, this is highly unlikely since it would pretty much be the match in a pool of gasoline.

[Thermodolia]

Hillary Clinton received the largest number of votes, so her victory would be the most democratic result possible without knowing how third party voters would have went in a runoff. The undemocratic option would be to elect Trump despite him not receiving the most votes.

Please explain slowly and cautiously why a Clinton presidency would be the "democratic" result, despite her being objectively the least respected presidential nominee in the history of the United States.

The majority of voters voted for her. She won the popular vote.

[The Serbian Empire]

Just give it a rest already. Like I've said in a previous thread, the electoral college is an outdated and broken system, but it is how it is, and Trump won the presidency. The best thing we can hope for now is that he doesn't get reelected.

If he can win it once, he can win the same way again!

[San Lumen]

https://www.change.org/p/electoral-college-electors-electoral-college-make-hillary-clinton-president-on-december-19


The electiral college is broken and undemocratic, but it can still choose to follow the will of the people and vote for Hillary Clinton. Many Trump supporters and people who don't really like democracy have been vehemently defending the electoral college lately. When you defend the current system, this is a part of it. If electors were to go faithless amen masse and elect Hillary Clinton, it would be fully within the bounds layed out by the constitution. So, what say you NSG? Is it time to use this undemocratic institution to uphold democracy in the time being, while we wait to have it abolished?

If you think the protests against Trump being President Elect are bad, imagine what the protests will be if the Electoral College decide to turn their collective backs on two hundred years of democracy and stage what amounts to a coup d'etat - with what would be around 150 men and women substituting their opinion for the MILLIONS of Americans who voted on the 8th of November.

The term "undemocratic" doesn't even begin to describe it - it might be constitutional, but I would imagine it flies in the face of what 99% of the country (and the world) would consider "democratic".

And keep in mind I am a liberal on the left to far left of the political spectrum. I consider the phrase "President Elect Trump" to be one of the most horrible things I have ever heard, and really can not believe people are saying it with a straight face and that it is actually the reality we have to live with. Do NOT think for one second I am a Trump supporter, or that I am happy about what will happen in December and on the 20th of January.

However as bad as I think this new reality might be, compared to the idea of the Electoral College overturning the result on a whim, I would take this reality in a second.

Its what the Electoral College was created to do prevent someone unqualified from taking office. Its what they should do and if his supporters dont like it to darn bad. The popular vote should be what matters not the electoral college.

[Calimama]

Just give it a rest already. Like I've said in a previous thread, the electoral college is an outdated and broken system, but it is how it is, and Trump won the presidency. The best thing we can hope for now is that he doesn't get reelected.

If he can win it once, he can win the same way again!

It depends on how he performs during his term; if he does badly then it is unlikely that people will still vote for him.

Which I am hoping is how it's going to be.

[Ludina]

If he can win it once, he can win the same way again!

It depends on how he performs during his term; if he does badly then it is unlikely that people will still vote for him.

Which I am hoping is how it's going to be.

So you want America to be messed up for 4 years? What kinda foolish world am I living in?

[The Serbian Empire]

If he can win it once, he can win the same way again!

It depends on how he performs during his term; if he does badly then it is unlikely that people will still vote for him.

Which I am hoping is how it's going to be.

Incumbents have a natural advantage.

[Uxupox]

If he can win it once, he can win the same way again!

It depends on how he performs during his term; if he does badly then it is unlikely that people will still vote for him.

Which I am hoping is how it's going to be.

You really want suffering of the people?

[Benuty]

It depends on how he performs during his term; if he does badly then it is unlikely that people will still vote for him.

Which I am hoping is how it's going to be.

So you want America to be messed up for 4 years? What kinda foolish world am I living in?

A petty one where edginess, and forgetting that wishes have consequence are the norm often.

[Calimama]

It depends on how he performs during his term; if he does badly then it is unlikely that people will still vote for him.

Which I am hoping is how it's going to be.

So you want America to be messed up for 4 years? What kinda foolish world am I living in?

Don't get me wrong - I'm probably the most anti-Trump person you could possibly meet, but I don't see any chance that Republicans would backtrack on what the voters want and choose Hillary, it just doesn't seem likely.

[Thermodolia]

It would be very undemocratic if the Republican electorals would vote for Hillary, since the voters want them to elect Trump, not Clinton.

While concerns about the electoral college being less democratic might be understandable to some degree, I am sure that if Clinton won, it wouldn't be such a topic.

But then again, this is highly unlikely since it would pretty much be the match in a pool of gasoline.

The whole electoral college system is undemocratic. Nobody votes for these electors and they are the ones who actually decide who becomes president. We trust that they will follow the will of the people in their state but there is nothing from legally stoping them from doing the opposite. That's what I don't like, that we put way to much trust in an unelected group of individuals who decide the president and could at any time decide that the candidate who the people voted for should not be president.

[Sack Jackpot Winners]

I just got even more disgusted wth humanity.

[Shofercia]

https://www.change.org/p/electoral-college-electors-electoral-college-make-hillary-clinton-president-on-december-19

On December 19, the Electors of the Electoral College will cast their ballots. If they all vote the way their states voted, Donald Trump will win. However, they can vote for Hillary Clinton if they choose. Even in states where that is not allowed, their vote would still be counted, they would simply pay a small fine - which we can be sure Clinton supporters will be glad to pay!
We are calling on the Electors to ignore their states' votes and cast their ballots for Secretary Clinton. Why?
Mr. Trump is unfit to serve. His scapegoating of so many Americans, and his impulsivity, bullying, lying, admitted history of sexual assault, and utter lack of experience make him a danger to the Republic.
Secretary Clinton WON THE POPULAR VOTE and should be President.
Hillary won the popular vote. The only reason Trump "won" is because of the Electoral College.
But the Electoral College can actually give the White House to either candidate. So why not use this most undemocratic of our institutions to ensure a democratic result?
SHE WON THE POPULAR VOTE.
There is no reason Trump should be President.
"It's the 'People's Will'"
No. She won the popular vote.
"Our system of government under our Constitution says he wins"
No. Our Constitution says the Electors choose.
"Too many states prohibit 'Faithless Electors'"
24 states bind electors. If electors vote against their party, they usually pay a fine. And people get mad. But they can vote however they want and there is no legal means to stop them in most states.

The electiral college is broken and undemocratic, but it can still choose to follow the will of the people and vote for Hillary Clinton. Many Trump supporters and people who don't really like democracy have been vehemently defending the electoral college lately. When you defend the current system, this is a part of it. If electors were to go faithless amen masse and elect Hillary Clinton, it would be fully within the bounds layed out by the constitution. So, what say you NSG? Is it time to use this undemocratic institution to uphold democracy in the time being, while we wait to have it abolished?

I haven't been defending the Electoral College; I've been pushing for its abolition. That said, you cannot change the rules after the game is over. If it was up to popular vote, and not the Electoral College, both Trump and Clinton would've ran their campaigns very differently, and people voting for third parties in "safe states" would've voted differently. You can only change rules for future elections, not for elections that already occurred. Trump won. It's over. Move on.

[San Lumen]

It would be very undemocratic if the Republican electorals would vote for Hillary, since the voters want them to elect Trump, not Clinton.

While concerns about the electoral college being less democratic might be understandable to some degree, I am sure that if Clinton won, it wouldn't be such a topic.

But then again, this is highly unlikely since it would pretty much be the match in a pool of gasoline.

The whole electoral college system is undemocratic. Nobody votes for these electors and they are the ones who actually decide who becomes president. We trust that they will follow the will of the people in their state but there is nothing from legally stoping them from doing the opposite. That's what I don't like, that we put way to much trust in an unelected group of individuals who decide the president and could at any time decide that the candidate who the people voted for should not be president.

Well this would be perfect time to do it and do what the Electoral College was designed to do. Prevent someone unqualified from becoming President.

[Calimama]

It depends on how he performs during his term; if he does badly then it is unlikely that people will still vote for him.

Which I am hoping is how it's going to be.

Incumbents have a natural advantage.

I'm still trusting the American people to not put Trump back in power for another four years. I just don't think that anything is going to change with the election results, and that we're going to be stuck with him.

[United Dependencies]

Considering we can't even get in-person electronic voting machines suitably reliable, I have my doubts about being able to set up a sufficiently secure/reliable vote-by-app thing going. <_<

We would have to <gasp> spend some money to design it.

North Carolina is still using a DOS based system to keep track of court records.

Nobody's spending a dime on something that's going to make it easier to vote.

[The Greater German Federal Republic]

It would be very undemocratic if the Republican electorals would vote for Hillary, since the voters want them to elect Trump, not Clinton.

While concerns about the electoral college being less democratic might be understandable to some degree, I am sure that if Clinton won, it wouldn't be such a topic.

But then again, this is highly unlikely since it would pretty much be the match in a pool of gasoline.

The whole electoral college system is undemocratic. Nobody votes for these electors and they are the ones who actually decide who becomes president. We trust that they will follow the will of the people in their state but there is nothing from legally stoping them from doing the opposite. That's what I don't like, that we put way to much trust in an unelected group of individuals who decide the president and could at any time decide that the candidate who the people voted for should not be president.

Or the US government should enact harsher regulation on the electorals, to ensure that they vote for their party and keep up with the will of the voters.

[Calimama]

It depends on how he performs during his term; if he does badly then it is unlikely that people will still vote for him.

Which I am hoping is how it's going to be.

You really want suffering of the people?

Nope. I don't see how you could draw that conclusion.

[Thermodolia]

It depends on how he performs during his term; if he does badly then it is unlikely that people will still vote for him.

Which I am hoping is how it's going to be.

So you want America to be messed up for 4 years? What kinda foolish world am I living in?

Several people who didn't like Obama wanted him to fail and the economy to crash. It's not as uncommon as you might think.

[San Lumen]

The whole electoral college system is undemocratic. Nobody votes for these electors and they are the ones who actually decide who becomes president. We trust that they will follow the will of the people in their state but there is nothing from legally stoping them from doing the opposite. That's what I don't like, that we put way to much trust in an unelected group of individuals who decide the president and could at any time decide that the candidate who the people voted for should not be president.

Or the US government should enact harsher regulation on the electorals, to ensure that they vote for their party and keep up with the will of the voters.

The will of the people is the Popular Vote so what your saying is Trump should not be President.

[Uxupox]

You really want suffering of the people?

Nope. I don't see how you could draw that conclusion.

That Trump does like shit hence meaning bad for the people.