Hillary Clinton could still win the presidency

[Alvecia]

That seems a little much. What's the going rate?

For the FFL I use, $50 per.

I wouldn't agree with that.

Edit: Probably even if it cost a dollar honestly, I was just curious about the cost.

[Washington Resistance Army]

For the FFL I use, $50 per.

I wouldn't agree with that

Not as bad one of my buddies, the only FFL locally near him charges $90 per transfer.

[Ifreann]

Don't chat shit, citizen.

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To protect everyone else's rights.

um what

That would be the idea behind restrictions on your rights, such as your right to bear arms.

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A. ...I cannot imagine what reasonable firearm for self-defense you might own that you are being forced to weld shut.
B. I'm a Jew. I've met Nazis. Let me tell you, almost nobody hates gun owners the way Nazis hate Jews.

Until you've had to kill a pack of coyotes at 4 AM from a moving truck, or drop a boar in about three second flat before it rips you to ribbons, your opinion on what's "reasonable" isn't worth much.

And as much as I sympathize with your experiences, I have literally been put in jail for engaging in a legal activity. And then released with the "Apologies of the City of San Francisco" As loud and rude as those sacks of crap may have been, I doubt they literally kidnapped you for your beliefs.

Yeah, that's how the Nazis treated the Jews. Let them go after arresting them and apologised.

[Alinora]

The idea that the right to bear arms is the most important right you have is probably the most ridiculous thing that's been posted in this thread, and this thread has contained links to Donald Trump trying to undermine the validity of an election that he technically won.



People use guns to kill people sometimes. Shocking, I know.

I would give up literally any other constitutionally protected right if it got me true protection of the 2nd. You may find my opinion rediculous, but you are not me, and as the saying goes "Your truth is not my truth".

The 2nd Amendment is absolutely vital - taking it away, even gradually, is stupid.

[Ifreann]

I would give up literally any other constitutionally protected right if it got me true protection of the 2nd. You may find my opinion rediculous, but you are not me, and as the saying goes "Your truth is not my truth".

The 2nd Amendment is absolutely vital - taking it away, even gradually, is stupid.

The 2nd Amendment is about as vital as the 3rd.

[Nazeroth]

um what

That would be the idea behind restrictions on your rights, such as your right to bear arms.

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Until you've had to kill a pack of coyotes at 4 AM from a moving truck, or drop a boar in about three second flat before it rips you to ribbons, your opinion on what's "reasonable" isn't worth much.

And as much as I sympathize with your experiences, I have literally been put in jail for engaging in a legal activity. And then released with the "Apologies of the City of San Francisco" As loud and rude as those sacks of crap may have been, I doubt they literally kidnapped you for your beliefs.

Yeah, that's how the Nazis treated the Jews. Let them go after arresting them and apologised.

the second amendment dosn't threaten other peoples rights.

me owning a gun dosn't stop you from voting etc etc etc.

[The East Marches]

The 2nd Amendment is absolutely vital - taking it away, even gradually, is stupid.

The 2nd Amendment is about as vital as the 3rd.

Thats unfair, it is at least as vital as the 5th.

[Telconi]

um what

That would be the idea behind restrictions on your rights, such as your right to bear arms.

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Until you've had to kill a pack of coyotes at 4 AM from a moving truck, or drop a boar in about three second flat before it rips you to ribbons, your opinion on what's "reasonable" isn't worth much.

And as much as I sympathize with your experiences, I have literally been put in jail for engaging in a legal activity. And then released with the "Apologies of the City of San Francisco" As loud and rude as those sacks of crap may have been, I doubt they literally kidnapped you for your beliefs.

Yeah, that's how the Nazis treated the Jews. Let them go after arresting them and apologised.

Yeah being thrown on pavement, cuffed, and dragged to jail is kinda how they treated Jewish people.

Other things

-I'm on a registry list, so is my wife.
-We are required to carry paperwork on our persons, failure to produce registry paperwork is grounds for criminal charges.
-if a police officer decides the business I'm engaging in isn't "reasonable" I am subject to arrest, there is no defined limits to this.
-I'm required to inform the DOJ if I want to move.
-If the DOJ has a wait time, I cannot move until the paperwork is processed.
-I'm not allowed to repair my weapon or have it repaired without DOJ permission, and fees paid to transfer it.
-I can never sell, give away, or lend my weapon to other people. If I die, it is confiscated by the state and destroyed, I cannot will it to my children.
-If I am treated by a medical professional for any condition related to psychological stress or defect, my weapons are confiscated and destroyed.

[Bonehead Crushers]

It would be extremely entertaining for the alt-right to become the salt-right. Can we please make that happen?

[Astrolinium]

I would give up literally any other constitutionally protected right if it got me true protection of the 2nd. You may find my opinion rediculous, but you are not me, and as the saying goes "Your truth is not my truth".

Your truth is based on false premises and therefore unsound as truth.

Yeah being thrown on pavement, cuffed, and dragged to jail is kinda how they treated Jewish people.

I'm sorry, did they throw you in an oven and then make your child scoop the ashes out for owning a gun? Did they hunt down and systematically exterminate you and everyone you love for owning a gun? Did they put you in a camp and work and starve you to death because you wanted an assault rifle instead of a regular rifle? Do you actually live in reality or is rural where-the-fuck-ever, California some advanced simulation designed to infiltrate the web with offensive and stupid nonsense?

[Yumyumsuppertime]

Gun rights are not the topic. Let's drop it and move on.

[Nazeroth]

Gun rights are not the topic. Let's drop it and move on.

well we are discussing gun rights in accordance of the electoral college and how it affects rural areas when urban democrat areas decide things for them, but sure.

[Astrolinium]

So, anyway, as we can see, feelings are strong on both sides and I would hope (probably in vain) that we can agree that urban dwellers have very different needs than rural dwellers and should not be subject to their whims via the electoral college.

[Washington Resistance Army]

So, anyway, as we can see, feelings are strong on both sides and I would hope (probably in vain) that we can agree that urban dwellers have very different needs than rural dwellers and should not be subject to their whims via the electoral college.

That works both ways and it's the problem. Rural dwellers shouldn't be subject to the whims of urban dwellers via the popular vote.

[San Lumen]

So, anyway, as we can see, feelings are strong on both sides and I would hope (probably in vain) that we can agree that urban dwellers have very different needs than rural dwellers and should not be subject to their whims via the electoral college.

That works both ways and it's the problem. Rural dwellers shouldn't be subject to the whims of urban dwellers via the popular vote.

So how would you fix the system? Urban votes count less than rural dwellers and they get less representation then rural areas?

[Uxupox]

That works both ways and it's the problem. Rural dwellers shouldn't be subject to the whims of urban dwellers via the popular vote.

So how would you fix the system? Urban votes count less than rural dwellers and they get less representation then rural areas?

just split america apart. the states with little population go make another america and the states with big urban cities and most of the population make another america (We will call this America 2.0) win-win.

[Nazeroth]

That works both ways and it's the problem. Rural dwellers shouldn't be subject to the whims of urban dwellers via the popular vote.

So how would you fix the system? Urban votes count less than rural dwellers and they get less representation then rural areas?

umm why can't gay people get married and protect themselves with guns and let them grow weed

liberty isn't a hard concept...

[Reedian]

She is backing a recount that will prove her wrong. She claims it might be hacked or rigged, yet despite the fact Obama and Trump agree it was not rigged.

[San Lumen]

She is backing a recount that will prove her wrong. She claims it might be hacked or rigged, yet despite the fact Obama and Trump agree it was not rigged.

Nothing wrong with double checking

[Ostroeuropa]

So, anyway, as we can see, feelings are strong on both sides and I would hope (probably in vain) that we can agree that urban dwellers have very different needs than rural dwellers and should not be subject to their whims via the electoral college.

That works both ways and it's the problem. Rural dwellers shouldn't be subject to the whims of urban dwellers via the popular vote.

If only the urban dwellers hadn't gutted states rights as a means of resolving this dispute while also consistently expanding the power of the federal government. Hmm.

I'm sure both sides are equally at fault here guys, no elephant in the room at all. No. It's clear that someones opinion has to be forced on someone else, and neither of the sides involved made it that way themselves and so turnabout isn't priceless when it occurs.

But seriously.
Why not do states rights and dismantle the federal governments power again?

"Ima set up a system to force my views on the hicks and forget that the EC is rigged in their favor... FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU. Well, now we have to unrig the EC, because it's just not fair that you can force your views on me. No, we're not reversing the first change I made that caused this problem in the first place and made the situation untenable."

[The East Marches]

So how would you fix the system? Urban votes count less than rural dwellers and they get less representation then rural areas?

just split america apart. the states with little population go make another america and the states with big urban cities and most of the population make another america (We will call this America 2.0) win-win.

Dibs on the name Freedomland

[San Lumen]

So how would you fix the system? Urban votes count less than rural dwellers and they get less representation then rural areas?

umm why can't gay people get married and protect themselves with guns and let them grow weed

liberty isn't a hard concept...

How is it liberty for certain peoples votes to count less than others?

[Telconi]

That works both ways and it's the problem. Rural dwellers shouldn't be subject to the whims of urban dwellers via the popular vote.

So how would you fix the system? Urban votes count less than rural dwellers and they get less representation then rural areas?

Honestly, how I would fix it?

Weaken the Federal government, as in, really really weaken.

cease states to exist as government bodies, all rights that were previously attributed to states are now the jurisdiction of counties/parishes etc.

[Ifreann]

She is backing a recount that will prove her wrong. She claims it might be hacked or rigged, yet despite the fact Obama and Trump agree it was not rigged.

Clinton isn't backing a recount, nor has she claimed anything of the sort.

[Alvecia]

So how would you fix the system? Urban votes count less than rural dwellers and they get less representation then rural areas?

Honestly, how I would fix it?

Weaken the Federal government, as in, really really weaken.

cease states to exist as government bodies, all rights that were previously attributed to states are now the jurisdiction of counties/parishes etc.

What's the difference between that and having 52 sovereign states instead of the USA?