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Eol Sha
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Postby Eol Sha » Thu Nov 10, 2016 2:51 pm

Novus America wrote:
Nixonnia wrote:this^


Well things were much, much worse in 68. And we survived. Though there was Watergate and the 70s were complete shit. But we survived. This seems very close to 68 in many ways

I've noticed that myself. More than a few parallels between '68 and '16.
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Postby The Romulan Republic » Thu Nov 10, 2016 2:53 pm

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:This election has been horrible. Everyone is still mad at everyone.

The ride did not end on nov 8.

THE RIDE NEVER ENDS


Of course it doesn't end.

The issues that confront our world do not go away after election day, so the political debates over how to address them will not either.

But we should be able to address them with some decency and civility. Unfortunately, the last few years have done a great deal to erode that.
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Postby Novsvacro » Thu Nov 10, 2016 2:54 pm

We survived populists in the past. Andrew Jackson comes to mind.

We'll make it through this okay.
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Postby Novus America » Thu Nov 10, 2016 2:54 pm

Soldati Senza Confini wrote:
Novus America wrote:
Well things were much, much worse in 68. And we survived. Though there was Watergate and the 70s were complete shit. But we survived. This seems very close to 68 in many ways


I don't know much about '68 myself. Care to elaborate?


There were mass riots across the country, Marines with Machine guns on the capitol steps. A highly contentious election an unpopular, polarizing canidate won with only 43% of the vote. Dozens dead. Students taking college administrators hostage. Schools shut down. Tanks in the streets. It was some crazy shit. We survived.
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Novus America represents my vision of an awesome Atompunk near future United States of America expanded to the entire North American continent, Guyana and the Philippines. The population would be around 700 million.
Think something like prewar Fallout, minus the bad stuff.

Politically I am an independent. I support what is good for the country, which means I cannot support either party.

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Postby New Werpland » Thu Nov 10, 2016 2:55 pm

tfw Peru does their election better than the USA

Even Rudy Giuliani was involved in this.
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Postby Novus America » Thu Nov 10, 2016 2:55 pm

The East Marches wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:This election has been horrible. Everyone is still mad at everyone.

The ride did not end on nov 8.

THE RIDE NEVER ENDS


Image


Not actually here forever. But nobody is getting out of here alive.
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Zombie Ike/Teddy Roosevelt 2020.

Novus America represents my vision of an awesome Atompunk near future United States of America expanded to the entire North American continent, Guyana and the Philippines. The population would be around 700 million.
Think something like prewar Fallout, minus the bad stuff.

Politically I am an independent. I support what is good for the country, which means I cannot support either party.

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Postby The East Marches » Thu Nov 10, 2016 2:57 pm

Novus America wrote:
The East Marches wrote:
Image


Not actually here forever. But nobody is getting out of here alive.


Thats nice to know. At least there is one way off Mr. Bones wild ride.
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Novus America wrote:But yes, I would say the mere existence of Illinois proves this is hell. Chicago the 9th circle.

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Postby Novus America » Thu Nov 10, 2016 2:58 pm

The East Marches wrote:
Novus America wrote:
Not actually here forever. But nobody is getting out of here alive.


Thats nice to know. At least there is one way off Mr. Bones wild ride.


Yes. But only one way off.
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Zombie Ike/Teddy Roosevelt 2020.

Novus America represents my vision of an awesome Atompunk near future United States of America expanded to the entire North American continent, Guyana and the Philippines. The population would be around 700 million.
Think something like prewar Fallout, minus the bad stuff.

Politically I am an independent. I support what is good for the country, which means I cannot support either party.

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Postby Ebliania » Thu Nov 10, 2016 2:59 pm

so how far has civility fallen today

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Postby New Werpland » Thu Nov 10, 2016 3:00 pm

Ebliania wrote:so how far has civility fallen today

Less than America has spun into political decay.

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Postby The Great Devourer of All » Thu Nov 10, 2016 3:01 pm

Fucking hell.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Thu Nov 10, 2016 3:01 pm

Ebliania wrote:so how far has civility fallen today


Pretty friggin far
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Thu Nov 10, 2016 3:01 pm

Apparently Trump plans to repeal Obamacare and replace it with Health Savings Accounts.

What would this mean for people's healthcare and how would this affect their healthcare choices among economic brackets, I have no idea...
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Postby Nixonnia » Thu Nov 10, 2016 3:02 pm

Soldati Senza Confini wrote:
Novus America wrote:
Well things were much, much worse in 68. And we survived. Though there was Watergate and the 70s were complete shit. But we survived. This seems very close to 68 in many ways


I don't know much about '68 myself. Care to elaborate?


It was worse in some details and not worse in others. Social media is one area that causes political discourse to be much worse now. Brush fires grow into raging forest fires in moments in today's world yet the firemen are still just as slow as always.
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Postby Gauthier » Thu Nov 10, 2016 3:02 pm

Novsvacro wrote:We survived populists in the past. Andrew Jackson comes to mind.

We'll make it through this okay.

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Thu Nov 10, 2016 3:02 pm

Soldati Senza Confini wrote:
Novus America wrote:
Well things were much, much worse in 68. And we survived. Though there was Watergate and the 70s were complete shit. But we survived. This seems very close to 68 in many ways


I don't know much about '68 myself. Care to elaborate?


We passed the Gun Control Act in 68.

It was horrible.
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Julian the Apostate wrote:I feel awe of the gods, I love, I revere, I venerate them, and in short have precisely the same feelings towards them as one would have towards kind masters or teachers or fathers or guardians or any beings of that sort.

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Postby The East Marches » Thu Nov 10, 2016 3:02 pm

Novus America wrote:
The East Marches wrote:
Thats nice to know. At least there is one way off Mr. Bones wild ride.


Yes. But only one way off.


Do you know if there are cats in hell? Might be preferable to earth tbh.
Conserative Morality wrote:Move to a real state bud instead of a third-world country that inexplicably votes in American elections.


Novus America wrote:But yes, I would say the mere existence of Illinois proves this is hell. Chicago the 9th circle.

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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Thu Nov 10, 2016 3:03 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Soldati Senza Confini wrote:
I don't know much about '68 myself. Care to elaborate?


We passed the Gun Control Act in 68.

It was horrible.


For your industry maybe. :p

I meant after election day in '68, but Novus answered it. And I see where he is coming from.
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Postby Eol Sha » Thu Nov 10, 2016 3:04 pm

Nixonnia wrote:
Soldati Senza Confini wrote:
I don't know much about '68 myself. Care to elaborate?


It was worse in some details and not worse in others. Social media is one area that causes political discourse to be much worse now. Brush fires grow into raging forest fires in moments in today's world yet the firemen are still just as slow as always.

On the wildfire thing, it's common practice to sometimes let the fires burn and only control it if it gets to out of control. Forest fires aren't inherently bad for the environment, after all.
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You'd better believe I'm a bitter Bernie Sanders supporter. The Dems fucked up and fucked up hard. Hopefully they'll learn that neoliberalism and maintaining the status quo isn't the way to win this election or any other one. I doubt they will, though.

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Thu Nov 10, 2016 3:05 pm

Soldati Senza Confini wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
We passed the Gun Control Act in 68.

It was horrible.


For your industry maybe. :p

I meant after election day in '68, but Novus answered it. And I see where he is coming from.


tbqh it was actually great for us because it gutted imports

But yeah 68 wasn't fun.
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Marcus Aurelius, Meditations 12:28 wrote:To those who ask 'Where then have you seen the gods? What conviction of their existence leads you to this worship of them?', I reply first that they are in fact visible to our eyes. Secondly, and not withstanding, that I have not seen my soul either, and yet I honor it. So it is with the gods too: from my every experience of their power time after time I am certain that they exist, and I revere them.
Julian the Apostate wrote:I feel awe of the gods, I love, I revere, I venerate them, and in short have precisely the same feelings towards them as one would have towards kind masters or teachers or fathers or guardians or any beings of that sort.

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Postby Novus America » Thu Nov 10, 2016 3:06 pm

The East Marches wrote:
Novus America wrote:
Yes. But only one way off.


Do you know if there are cats in hell? Might be preferable to earth tbh.


Cats are from Hell... :twisted:

But I will see you there. Hopefully it is not so much worse. Some religions say this IS Hell.
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Zombie Ike/Teddy Roosevelt 2020.

Novus America represents my vision of an awesome Atompunk near future United States of America expanded to the entire North American continent, Guyana and the Philippines. The population would be around 700 million.
Think something like prewar Fallout, minus the bad stuff.

Politically I am an independent. I support what is good for the country, which means I cannot support either party.

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Postby The East Marches » Thu Nov 10, 2016 3:09 pm

Novus America wrote:
The East Marches wrote:
Do you know if there are cats in hell? Might be preferable to earth tbh.


Cats are from Hell... :twisted:

But I will see you there. Hopefully it is not so much worse. Some religions say this IS Hell.


If this is hell, then I can easily see why I've been cursed with seeing you on this site and why I live in IL. It would explain alot.
Conserative Morality wrote:Move to a real state bud instead of a third-world country that inexplicably votes in American elections.


Novus America wrote:But yes, I would say the mere existence of Illinois proves this is hell. Chicago the 9th circle.

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Postby Novus America » Thu Nov 10, 2016 3:11 pm

The East Marches wrote:
Novus America wrote:
Cats are from Hell... :twisted:

But I will see you there. Hopefully it is not so much worse. Some religions say this IS Hell.


If this is hell, then I can easily see why I've been cursed with seeing you on this site and why I live in IL. It would explain alot.


For all you know I am the Satan himself, here to torment your soul.

But yes, I would say the mere existence of Illinois proves this is hell. Chicago the 9th circle.

Which suprsingly in Dante is a frozen lake designed to trap and torture.
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Zombie Ike/Teddy Roosevelt 2020.

Novus America represents my vision of an awesome Atompunk near future United States of America expanded to the entire North American continent, Guyana and the Philippines. The population would be around 700 million.
Think something like prewar Fallout, minus the bad stuff.

Politically I am an independent. I support what is good for the country, which means I cannot support either party.

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Postby Nixonnia » Thu Nov 10, 2016 3:13 pm

Eol Sha wrote:
Nixonnia wrote:
It was worse in some details and not worse in others. Social media is one area that causes political discourse to be much worse now. Brush fires grow into raging forest fires in moments in today's world yet the firemen are still just as slow as always.

On the wildfire thing, it's common practice to sometimes let the fires burn and only control it if it gets to out of control. Forest fires aren't inherently bad for the environment, after all.


The political landscape differs from the physical. It take far longer to heal and replace a healthy political environment than a forest of trees. A new forest would already be grown in the time passed. Today's issues mostly grow out of the 1960s and 70s culture clash. We made many mistakes then and further compounded them with more mistakes in the interim. No one has learned much other than how to make the blaze grow larger. Such a pitiful lack of genuine leadership since my old boss Dwight and poor Jack departed.
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Postby The Liberated Territories » Thu Nov 10, 2016 3:18 pm

I haven't been bringing up or talking about politics IRL... people seem to be persecuting people whom voted third party. If someone brings up Trump I just smile and nod...
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