US Gen. Election Thread VI: You've Got E-Mail

[Cymrea]

Man, too bad they left for Louisiana. Canadian Cajuns would be awesome.

How? No one can understand a Cajun.

We say the same of Newfies now. There's always at least one group like that.

[The Emerald Dawn]

I don't think a soldier has the right to disobey an order if it violates a treaty.

They do. Lawful orders are all that's allowed to be obeyed. The reason the UCMJ specifies this is so soldiers can't say "Well, I was only following orders" as a defence. Therefore, it doesn't hold up in court. If you obey an order to kill civilians, you will be tried and hung -- regardless if you were "simply following orders."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superior_orders

The Nuremberg Defense is not allowed. Every. Single. Briefing. You receive on the Law of Armed Conflict, the UCMJ, the Geneva Conventions, and the various oaths you take, point this out.

Lady Scylla, and I, can sit here and quote this to you all day. You're wrong, you need to accept that.

[Imperial Union of America]

You are staggeringly ignorant of Canadian History, obviously.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_and_Indian_War

Hard to believe, but most of modern day populated Canada was in French hands before the French and Indian war.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Bri ... 80.9360.29

Canada was founded by the French and the British. They didn't invade Canada, they invaded the land which the First Nations occupied.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of ... of_Abraham

It seems the British Empire has had quite a few battles with French soldiers in Canada before the Paris accords that ended the French and Indian war and gave Canada to the United Kingdom.

[Great Kauthar]

How is it possible to convince a Trump supporter that Hillary is actually pretty damn good and that Trump is the equivalent of a childish, unintelligent, misogynistic... etc. etc. of Mussolini? We've absolutely bombarded people with information, yet they still continue to deny it. It's blatant stupidity at this point. Ignorance is where you were unaware of something and are capable of learning it, but stupidity is where you learn it and still deny it, or become apathetic enough to not let it influence you.

“There are two ways to be fooled. One is to believe what isn't true; the other is to refuse to believe what is true.”

But people who support Trump are literally falling into both these ways of being fooled! Bah! But, alas, people are ignorant of their ignorance...

"Hillary is actually pretty damn good"
wrong
"(Trump) the equivalent of a childish, unintelligent, misogynistic... etc. etc. of Mussolini?"
W R O N G
Maybe it's because of stuff like that?

Anyway what do you all think of John Podesta being a pedo fuck with his child sex ring?

[Ifreann]

You'd be every penny poorer, then. I doubt the United States Military would ignore a lawful order from the Commander in Chief.

Having served in the US Military, I disagree.

Most of the leadership of the United States Armed Forces would actively oppose the order, and the instant Trump went public with his demand, they'd be lauded for having shown the courage to do so.

Attack an allied nation? He'd be FORTUNATE to only get off with a censure.

"General, I've decided that we're going to invade Canada. I've got a great plan for taking their forces out"
"Very good, sir, let me just get the rest of the Joint Chiefs in here and you can tell us your plan. *phone noises* The big idiot's finally lost it. Get in here so we can stall him from nuking Canada and call Pence, tell him he needs to invoke the 25th ASAP"

And that's the story of how Trump was President for half an hour.

[Cymrea]

Anyway what do you all think of John Podesta being a pedo fuck with his child sex ring?

About the same as Trump's alleged rape of a 13-year-old.

[Greater Pareidolia]

809. ART. 90. ASSAULTING OR WILLFULLY DISOBEYING SUPERIOR COMMISSIONED OFFICER.

Any person subject to this chapter who--

(1) strikes his superior commissioned officer or draws or lifts up any weapon or offers any violence against him while he is in the execution of his officer; or

(2) willfully disobeys a lawful command of his superior commissioned officer;

shall be punished, if the offense is committed in time of war, by death or such other punishment as a court-martial may direct, and if the offense is committed at any other time, by such punishment, other than death, as a court-martial may direct.

They will have to catch me first. I'm not going to follow a crazy man to my death and neither will many others.

Then you're not only guilty of refusal to follow orders, but also of mutiny. I wonder what kind of death they will have in store for you. Hanging? Firing squad?

[Svebia]

They do. Lawful orders are all that's allowed to be obeyed. The reason the UCMJ specifies this is so soldiers can't say "Well, I was only following orders" as a defence. Therefore, it doesn't hold up in court. If you obey an order to kill civilians, you will be tried and hung -- regardless if you were "simply following orders."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superior_orders

The Nuremberg Defense is not allowed. Every. Single. Briefing. You receive on the Law of Armed Conflict, the UCMJ, the Geneva Conventions, and the various oaths you take, point this out.

Lady Scylla, and I, can sit here and quote this to you all day. You're wrong, you need to accept that.

Not only that, but Canada is like the wife that is always there even when you thought she wouldn't be.

[Camicon]

Canada was founded by the French and the British. They didn't invade Canada, they invaded the land which the First Nations occupied.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of ... of_Abraham

It seems the British Empire has had quite a few battles with French soldiers in Canada before the Paris accords that ended the French and Indian war and gave Canada to the United Kingdom.

Thank you for providing evidence which supports my point.

[Shaggy Dog Story]

Article 92 requires you to obey lawful orders.

Want to guess what violating a treaty is?

Give you a shiny penny if you're right.

I don't think a soldier has the right to disobey an order if it violates a treaty.

They are not only permitted to, they are expected to.

[Freefall11111]

Having served in the US Military, I disagree.

Most of the leadership of the United States Armed Forces would actively oppose the order, and the instant Trump went public with his demand, they'd be lauded for having shown the courage to do so.

Attack an allied nation? He'd be FORTUNATE to only get off with a censure.

"General, I've decided that we're going to invade Canada. I've got a great plan for taking their forces out"
"Very good, sir, let me just get the rest of the Joint Chiefs in here and you can tell us your plan. *phone noises* The big idiot's finally lost it. Get in here so we can stall him from nuking Canada and call Pence, tell him he needs to invoke the 25th ASAP"

And that's the story of how Trump was President for half an hour.

Trump: "If we have nuclear weapons why can't we use them?"

[Imperial Union of America]

Having served in the US Military, I disagree.

Most of the leadership of the United States Armed Forces would actively oppose the order, and the instant Trump went public with his demand, they'd be lauded for having shown the courage to do so.

Attack an allied nation? He'd be FORTUNATE to only get off with a censure.

"General, I've decided that we're going to invade Canada. I've got a great plan for taking their forces out"
"Very good, sir, let me just get the rest of the Joint Chiefs in here and you can tell us your plan. *phone noises* The big idiot's finally lost it. Get in here so we can stall him from nuking Canada and call Pence, tell him he needs to invoke the 25th ASAP"

And that's the story of how Trump was President for half an hour.

Uhh. I think there would be quite a few months of false flag attacks and blaming months before the invasion, ala Iraq. It wouldn't be a direct overnight decision. we'd make up some bullshit first. Even Hitler was smart enough to make a false flag operation to make the case to his people before the invasion of Poland.

You have too much faith in the American military leadership. It's very dangerous.

Trump wouldn't be the first person to use the military to wage wars of aggression. Why didn't they stop the Iraq invasion, that was against the U.N. and international law. Why did they intervene in Syria and Libya? by international law those are both illegal.

I guess because the reality is, most people aren't willing to risk execution for the sake of a foreign country.

[The Emerald Dawn]

"General, I've decided that we're going to invade Canada. I've got a great plan for taking their forces out"
"Very good, sir, let me just get the rest of the Joint Chiefs in here and you can tell us your plan. *phone noises* The big idiot's finally lost it. Get in here so we can stall him from nuking Canada and call Pence, tell him he needs to invoke the 25th ASAP"

And that's the story of how Trump was President for half an hour.

Trump: "If we have nuclear weapons why can't we use them?"

SALT? Yeah, they banned it in New York.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Canada was founded by the French and the British. They didn't invade Canada, they invaded the land which the First Nations occupied.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of ... of_Abraham

It seems the British Empire has had quite a few battles with French soldiers in Canada before the Paris accords that ended the French and Indian war and gave Canada to the United Kingdom.

Yeah no shit it was a damn war.

Does not change the fact the French settled in Canada as did the British.

[Cymrea]

Having served in the US Military, I disagree.

Most of the leadership of the United States Armed Forces would actively oppose the order, and the instant Trump went public with his demand, they'd be lauded for having shown the courage to do so.

Attack an allied nation? He'd be FORTUNATE to only get off with a censure.

"General, I've decided that we're going to invade Canada. I've got a great plan for taking their forces out"
"Very good, sir, let me just get the rest of the Joint Chiefs in here and you can tell us your plan. *phone noises* The big idiot's finally lost it. Get in here so we can stall him from nuking Canada and call Pence, tell him he needs to invoke the 25th ASAP"

And that's the story of how Trump was President for half an hour.

I'm reminded of this NFB vignette of Spence's Republic.

[The Holy Empire of the Spaghetti Monster]

They will have to catch me first. I'm not going to follow a crazy man to my death and neither will many others.

Then you're not only guilty of refusal to follow orders, but also of mutiny. I wonder what kind of death they will have in store for you. Hanging? Firing squad?

Well, first of all, since the order we're discussing is unlawful...he won't need to run in the first place, because he would not be obligated to follow it, therefore your point is moot.

[Lady Scylla]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superior_orders

The Nuremberg Defense is not allowed. Every. Single. Briefing. You receive on the Law of Armed Conflict, the UCMJ, the Geneva Conventions, and the various oaths you take, point this out.

Lady Scylla, and I, can sit here and quote this to you all day. You're wrong, you need to accept that.

Not only that, but Canada is like the wife that is always there even when you thought she wouldn't be.

When the fires are on the horizon, and the ash falls like snow -- In our darkest hour, there's that comforting light. When we're alone, and the bombs rock the night, it will be Canada there, to fight by our side.

[Islamic Republic e Jariri]

Have there been US elections like these before where both candidates are so uniquely unpopular yet you have to choose between the two?

[Galloism]

Not only that, but Canada is like the wife that is always there even when you thought she wouldn't be.

When the fires are on the horizon, and the ash falls like snow -- In our darkest hour, there's that comforting light. When we're alone, and the bombs rock the night, it will be Canada there, to fight by our side.

With the glorious moose cavalry.

[Hittanryan]

"General, I've decided that we're going to invade Canada. I've got a great plan for taking their forces out"
"Very good, sir, let me just get the rest of the Joint Chiefs in here and you can tell us your plan. *phone noises* The big idiot's finally lost it. Get in here so we can stall him from nuking Canada and call Pence, tell him he needs to invoke the 25th ASAP"

And that's the story of how Trump was President for half an hour.

Uhh. I think there would be quite a few months of false flag attacks and blaming months before the invasion, ala Iraq. It wouldn't be a direct overnight decision. we'd make up some bullshit first. Even Hitler was smart enough to make a false flag operation to make the case to his people before the invasion of Poland.

You have too much faith in the American military leadership. It's very dangerous.

We didn't have a mutual defense agreement, ratified by the Senate and thus becoming US federal law, with Iraq, much less decades of close military cooperation and extensive international trade.

[Camicon]

Not only that, but Canada is like the wife that is always there even when you thought she wouldn't be.

When the fires are on the horizon, and the ash falls like snow -- In our darkest hour, there's that comforting light. When we're alone, and the bombs rock the night, it will be Canada there, to fight by our side.

Unless you illegally invade another country.

[Great Kauthar]

Anyway what do you all think of John Podesta being a pedo fuck with his child sex ring?

About the same as Trump's alleged rape of a 13-year-old.

The difference between the two is Trump didn't send e-mails about "whether dominos with a "pizza" or "pasta" is better" or how they kept "pasta" (little girl) refrigated for three months

[San Lumen]

"General, I've decided that we're going to invade Canada. I've got a great plan for taking their forces out"
"Very good, sir, let me just get the rest of the Joint Chiefs in here and you can tell us your plan. *phone noises* The big idiot's finally lost it. Get in here so we can stall him from nuking Canada and call Pence, tell him he needs to invoke the 25th ASAP"

And that's the story of how Trump was President for half an hour.

Trump: "If we have nuclear weapons why can't we use them?"

That comment alone should disqualify him as President but it seems many dont care and would rather have someone willing to use nukes and bring about the end of the world. If heaven forbid he became President the people at the nuclear silos should disobey the order and refuse to launch. I'm also convinced the media wants Trump to win because they would get better ratings with him as President.

[Thermodolia]

Well ya can. My great grandfather was Canadian. So yes I'm part Canadian

How convincing.

If you want to be even more convinced I'm technically French Canadian. As my great grandfather was born in Montreal.

[The Emerald Dawn]

When the fires are on the horizon, and the ash falls like snow -- In our darkest hour, there's that comforting light. When we're alone, and the bombs rock the night, it will be Canada there, to fight by our side.

With the glorious moose cavalry.

I wouldn't fuck with a moose. Them fuckers are skurry.