Right Wing Discussion Thread The Fourth

[Marydale]

What is RWDT thoughts on the fact that Portugal could be slipping back into debt again?

Insert jew parentheses.

[Bakery Hill]

At this point, it may be a good option. Their welfare system borrows from the German one from what I have been told. Which is to say, it is fucking retarded and forces you to sell all your shit before you get any help. Forceably impoverishing people and ruining lives. May the name "Peter Hartz" be damned to hell and to history for his cancerous idea.

Well if any nation can do it, Portugal would be one of them. It's still got quite a strong radical left, that gets a good 20% of the electoral vote all up. They just got to watch out they don't get given the SYRIZA treatment.

Don't know much about the German system actually? How's it work?

[Dushan]

Over Theresa May specifically?

No, I was there for most of the day waiting for the result, I was a supporter of leave because I despise the EU.

My authentic first reaction from back then. I learned it from NSG btw.

Oooops.

How exciting. That was a unexpected outcome.

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And second one:

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At this point, it may be a good option. Their welfare system borrows from the German one from what I have been told. Which is to say, it is fucking retarded and forces you to sell all your shit before you get any help. Forceably impoverishing people and ruining lives. May the name "Peter Hartz" be damned to hell and to history for his cancerous idea.

Well if any nation can do it, Portugal would be one of them. It's still got quite a strong radical left, that gets a good 20% of the electoral vote all up. They just got to watch out they don't get given the SYRIZA treatment.

Don't know much about the German system actually? How's it work?

If you had a regular Job before you get 6-12 Month some Unemployment Assistance.

Afterwards you get into Hartz IV. That means, you'd have sometimes in frequent interwalls to show up at their Offices or they cut your Money. They also might and likely demand that you first use up most of your savings. They do also demand detailed lists about all your Savings, Properties and other Assets. Furthermore they do demand knowledge about any sort of Travels, you'd got to tell them when you move somewhere else. And much more of that stuff.

[The East Marches]

At this point, it may be a good option. Their welfare system borrows from the German one from what I have been told. Which is to say, it is fucking retarded and forces you to sell all your shit before you get any help. Forceably impoverishing people and ruining lives. May the name "Peter Hartz" be damned to hell and to history for his cancerous idea.

Well if any nation can do it, Portugal would be one of them. It's still got quite a strong radical left, that gets a good 20% of the electoral vote all up. They just got to watch out they don't get given the SYRIZA treatment.

Don't know much about the German system actually? How's it work?

If they get 20% of the electoral vote then they may have a chance indeed.

Edit: See Dushan's post.

[Minzerland II]

No, I was there for most of the day waiting for the result, I was a supporter of leave because I despise the EU.

My authentic first reaction from back then. I learned it from NSG btw.

Oooops.

How exciting. That was a unexpected outcome.

http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic ... #p29143523

And second one:

http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic ... #p29143643

I can't be bothered to look for mine, but I know from memory that I was ecstatic.

[Bakery Hill]

If you had a regular Job before you get 6-12 Month some Unemployment Assistance.

Afterwards you get into Hartz IV. That means, you'd have sometimes in frequent interwalls to show up at their Offices or they cut your Money. They also might and likely demand that you first use up most of your savings. They do also demand detailed lists about all your Savings, Properties and other Assets. Furthermore they do demand knowledge about any sort of Travels, you'd got to tell them when you move somewhere else. And much more of that stuff.

Oh fuck, I thought they called Germany a welfare state. That's much harsher than they have here. I mean Centrelink hassles you, but they aren't anywhere near as invasive and demanding.

[New confederate ramenia]

He is right though. Classical Fascist Parties aren't really present whereas Racialist Ones definitely are and are quite prominent.

Classical Fascists are much more respectable though.

In South America, Falangism (which you could consider "classical Fascism") is pretty prominent, for obvious reasons.
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Tell me more about the Falangism in South America. I only know about the pink tide and then the new right wing (Macri for example).

[The East Marches]

My authentic first reaction from back then. I learned it from NSG btw.


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And second one:

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I can't be bothered to look for mine, but I know from memory that I was ecstatic.

This post summed up my thoughts during the whole thing

Cheer up Amigo, Uncle Sugar won't stop rigging things for us.

I saw it just above Dushan's post. Too bad they didn't listen. Thats the problem with money. People get emotionally attached to the stuff and start letting its loss impact their decision making too much.

[Seylland]

Not just flight. Code breaking and computation saw their start here (enigma code and Alan Turing). As well as the fields of psychology (move towards conditioning and a scientific method of inquiry in psychology, recording the effects of what was PTSD/shellshock) and medicine (only possible due to the blood profit of war) among others.

In the short, immediate time frame? It was not worth it. Too many lives were lost in the name of God and Country, King and Empire, Profit and Industry. But look at where we are at now. Sure, things may still seem bad and in some areas the situation is simply terrifying. We can say that there is a decay in values. However, we can appreciate the fact that such wars must not happen again, and that society as well as humanity marches on.

For everything we call 'good' can be only contrasted upon something 'evil' or 'bad' in this world. We can only appreciate the good times after weathering the bad times.

This is a good way of looking at the situation. I rather liked a history channel special that came out recently called "the World Wars". It rightly portrayed the thing as really one war rather than two separate wars.

Its the last part of your statement that I find myself agreeing with most. Without the horror, we would not appreciate the good or pleasant so much as we do now.

Optimism need not be blind, after all.

What is RWDT thoughts on the fact that Portugal could be slipping back into debt again?

Incoming shitshow?

[The East Marches]

Optimism need not be blind, after all.

Very true, I concur.

Incoming shitshow?

It may be time to notify Ron Paul that we could have a potential happening progress

[Bakery Hill]

Any of you lot know much about Orientalism?

[The East Marches]

Any of you lot know much about Orientalism?

The book?

[Minzerland II]

I can't be bothered to look for mine, but I know from memory that I was ecstatic.

This post summed up my thoughts during the whole thing

Cheer up Amigo, Uncle Sugar won't stop rigging things for us.

I saw it just above Dushan's post. Too bad they didn't listen. Thats the problem with money. People get emotionally attached to the stuff and start letting its loss impact their decision making too much.

Exactly my thoughts.

[Minzerland II]

Any of you lot know much about Orientalism?

It pertains to, and is characteristic of, the peoples (ethnicities) and cultures of Asia. Otherwise, no.

[Bakery Hill]

Any of you lot know much about Orientalism?

The book?

Yar, the book and the concept by Edward Said.

[Drown]

https://i.sli.mg/nbpQzY.jpg

POTENTISLLY BIG HAPPENING

[Bakery Hill]

Any of you lot know much about Orientalism?

It pertains to, and is characteristic of, the peoples (ethnicities) and cultures of Asia. Otherwise, no.

Was talking about the book, but yeah that's correct too haha

[Seylland]

Optimism need not be blind, after all.

Very true, I concur.

Incoming shitshow?

It may be time to notify Ron Paul that we could have a potential happening progress

Oh yay /s

[Minzerland II]

It pertains to, and is characteristic of, the peoples (ethnicities) and cultures of Asia. Otherwise, no.

Was talking about the book, but yeah that's correct too haha

Well, I've never read it, but I've heard of it.

[Jochizyd Republic]

The book?

Yar, the book and the concept by Edward Said.

SSSSAAAAAAAAAAAIIIIIIIIIIDDD!!!!!!!

[The East Marches]

The book?

Yar, the book and the concept by Edward Said.

Yes I have read it and I do agree with much the ideas in his book. I do disagree with his blanket assertions on European writing and analysis of the Orient though. For myself, I have found that the old British books of Empire on culture or experiences of travelers had great value to myself. Infact, I would argue that while his book had a very valid point, it has caused a chilling effect on Western literature coming out about the region. When I say chilling, authors are totally afraid to give their frank opinion or record the totality of every thing they had seen. I know that when I went there the first time, I was totally unprepared. It was only afterwards that I learned how little I knew and took steps to educate myself accordingly. I had to pay quite a pretty penny for some out print books to get familiar with things the right way. Thankfully, things haven't changed too much in a hundred years or so it wasn't so bad.

On that note however, I think that today his book has even more value than it did in the past. How much do we really know about the Orient today compared to 50 years ago even? How much more has mass media shaped our cultural perspectives and stamped its authority on the way we view things? I would argue that it has even more so today. The sort of portrayal of the ME as weak and decadent has only spread. Just ask people on how they think Arabs should be governed. You'll find alot more saying "they can't understand democracy and need a strong leader" than I think you would in the past.

[Dushan]

I kinda like Bernhard Lewis and his concept of "What went wrong?".

[Napkiraly]

Any of you lot know much about Orientalism?

Heard about it, know the general concept, as well as its criticisms. Have yet to read it for myself, unfortunately.

[Napkiraly]

Yar, the book and the concept by Edward Said.

Yes I have read it and I do agree with much the ideas in his book. I do disagree with his blanket assertions on European writing and analysis of the Orient though. For myself, I have found that the old British books of Empire on culture or experiences of travelers had great value to myself. Infact, I would argue that while his book had a very valid point, it has caused a chilling effect on Western literature coming out about the region. When I say chilling, authors are totally afraid to give their frank opinion or record the totality of every thing they had seen. I know that when I went there the first time, I was totally unprepared. It was only afterwards that I learned how little I knew and took steps to educate myself accordingly. I had to pay quite a pretty penny for some out print books to get familiar with things the right way. Thankfully, things haven't changed too much in a hundred years or so it wasn't so bad.

On that note however, I think that today his book has even more value than it did in the past. How much do we really know about the Orient today compared to 50 years ago even? How much more has mass media shaped our cultural perspectives and stamped its authority on the way we view things? I would argue that it has even more so today. The sort of portrayal of the ME as weak and decadent has only spread. Just ask people on how they think Arabs should be governed. You'll find alot more saying "they can't understand democracy and need a strong leader" than I think you would in the past.

The decadent part is only for the Gulf states as well, and it's to bribe the populace essentially. It is rather infuriating that people conflate the Gulf states with the rest of the wider ME.

[Bakery Hill]

Was talking about the book, but yeah that's correct too haha

Well, I've never read it, but I've heard of it.

Not a bad read so far. Prose is a little dense though.