Turkey thread: now stuffed with more authoritarianism!

by **Umars memeistan** » Fri Jul 15, 2016 4:54 pm

pro coup stronge holds are only just two cites

by **Kalifati Arab shqiptar** » Fri Jul 15, 2016 4:54 pm

Upendo Mwenyewe wrote:
Calimera II wrote:
White. White. White. White. White.

You sound pretty racist.

"Waaah, save white people from racism!"

Inform yourself: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Tur ... lack_Turks

The only racist here are you mate.

by **Kalifati Arab shqiptar** » Fri Jul 15, 2016 4:55 pm

Umars memeistan wrote:pro coup stronge holds are only just two cites

The biggest ones, you Islamist

by **Upendo Mwenyewe** » Fri Jul 15, 2016 4:55 pm

Risottia wrote:
Calimera II wrote:
White. White. White. White. White.

You sound pretty racist.

Dude, it's not racist if it's against people whose skin hue he dislikes!

You didn't understand the term I used and assumed it was about race. Your emergency sarcasm won't help you save face now.

by **MERIZoC** » Fri Jul 15, 2016 4:55 pm

Geilinor wrote:
Upendo Mwenyewe wrote:Sorry, foreign backers. Sorry, military autocrats. Sorry, Europhile white Turks.

Erdogan stays.

That's not clear yet. And why is everything about white people for you?

It's a social term lmao

by **Kelinfort** » Fri Jul 15, 2016 4:55 pm

Chief of Staff of the Army has been kidnapped by coup backers.

by **Avrellon** » Fri Jul 15, 2016 4:55 pm

Not sure if this has been posted already, but Hurriyet English is reporting that protesting civilians in several locations have been injured by gunfire from coup-affiliated units. (Link: http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/turkish-civilians-wounded-in-fire-opened-by-coup-attempters.aspx?pageID=238&nID=101671&NewsCatID=341)

by **Olerand** » Fri Jul 15, 2016 4:55 pm

Baltenstein wrote:
Olerand wrote:As opposed to? The black Turks?

White Turks = The Pro-Western Kemalist middle and upper class of Turkey's Western coast.

Interesting.

Herargon wrote:
Olerand wrote:It's not a good idea to support coups. Especially ones that are doomed to fail. You have to, I believe the term is, hedge your bets.

It gives a signal off, nevertheless...

That you backed the losers.

Serconas wrote:Apparently Greece´s Tsipras as come out to support Erdogan.

Everyone is. It failed, who backs a failed coup?

by **Calimera II** » Fri Jul 15, 2016 4:55 pm

Risottia wrote:
Calimera II wrote:
White. White. White. White. White.

You sound pretty racist.

Dude, it's not racist if it's against people whose skin hue he dislikes!

Well, it is NSG summer.....

by **Geilinor** » Fri Jul 15, 2016 4:55 pm

Serconas wrote:Apparently Greece´s Tsipras as come out to support Erdogan.

Greece must be very worried about what's going on - the chaos is just across the border.

by **Kalifati Arab shqiptar** » Fri Jul 15, 2016 4:56 pm

Parliament bombed by air

by **Arachno-Satinism** » Fri Jul 15, 2016 4:56 pm

The good old Turkish tradition.

by **Napkiraly** » Fri Jul 15, 2016 4:56 pm

Nariterrr wrote:
Herargon wrote:
Disgusting... a man saying he supports freedom condemns an army trying to overthrow a dictator that feels so insulted by satire of himself.
Though there are not such great memories of the earlier dictatorship in Turkey, when they invaded Cyprus and ethnically cleansed the population of the north. :/

Remeber that Erdogan was elected democratically, Obama is supporting democracy.

Democracy isn't the end all. Not to mention, the military has the constitutional responsibility to remove a government that would take Turkey away from its democratic and secular foundations.

by **Herargon** » Fri Jul 15, 2016 4:56 pm

Nariterrr wrote:
Herargon wrote:
Disgusting... a man saying he supports freedom condemns an army trying to overthrow a dictator that feels so insulted by satire of himself.
Though there are not such great memories of the earlier dictatorship in Turkey, when they invaded Cyprus and ethnically cleansed the population of the north. :/

Remeber that Erdogan was elected democratically, Obama is supporting democracy.

Yes, but Erdogan is nonetheless a dictator. Once the classic question arises: if a dictator is democratically chosen by the people, would the dictator have the mandate to rule, then, or not because he is a dictator?

by **Kelinfort** » Fri Jul 15, 2016 4:56 pm

Umars memeistan wrote:pro coup stronge holds are only just two cites

Christ, it sounds just like the Spanish Civil War's beginning.

by **Calimera II** » Fri Jul 15, 2016 4:56 pm

It seems the coup is getting to its end.

by **Upendo Mwenyewe** » Fri Jul 15, 2016 4:57 pm

Napkiraly wrote:
Nariterrr wrote:Remeber that Erdogan was elected democratically, Obama is supporting democracy.

Democracy isn't the end all. Not to mention, the military has the constitutional responsibility to remove a government that would take Turkey away from its democratic and secular foundations.

Expect that to change as a result from this coup. Too bad.

by **Olerand** » Fri Jul 15, 2016 4:57 pm

Kelinfort wrote:
Olerand wrote:If the coup had succeeded, America would have backed it, tacitly, by saying that order must be restored, rule of law must be maintained, etc. etc.. That is the only possible excuse for America not condemning the coup the moment it began.

But it failed, so obviously, America is now against.

It has yet to be resolved. IIRC, this is the exact same reaction to what happened back in 1980.

No, it failed. The moment the opposition parties came out against, and the AKP got to the streets, it failed. We don't live in an age where coups with no popular support can succeed anymore. When the CHP and MHP came out against, and the AKP came out to the streets, it was over.

by **Saiwania** » Fri Jul 15, 2016 4:57 pm

Olerand wrote:It's not a good idea to support coups. Especially ones that are doomed to fail. You have to, I believe the term is, hedge your bets.

It is a good idea to support coups in my view if the outcome of their winning is acceptable. This was perhaps defeated too fast for any interventions to happen but if any coup leaders can escape, they should be extracted and given safe haven, shielded from extradition. I think Russia would be most interested in regime change for Turkey. Perhaps they could be used again if there is eventually a second coup attempt.

by **Tekeristan** » Fri Jul 15, 2016 4:57 pm

I sorrttaa wish Erdo's plane gets shot down.. Cause heh, more popcorn..

by **Zeinbrad** » Fri Jul 15, 2016 4:57 pm

Kelinfort wrote:Chief of Staff of the Army has been kidnapped by coup backers.

So...it isn't under control?

Unless this is the same guy from before.

by **Olerand** » Fri Jul 15, 2016 4:57 pm

Upendo Mwenyewe wrote:
Napkiraly wrote:Democracy isn't the end all. Not to mention, the military has the constitutional responsibility to remove a government that would take Turkey away from its democratic and secular foundations.

Expect that to change as a result from this coup. Too bad.

No such constitutional right exists.

by **Lindenholt** » Fri Jul 15, 2016 4:57 pm

https://twitter.com/Can_Yeginsu/status/ ... 6425615360

Not sure how reliable a Twitter post is; but it's something.

by **Greed and Death** » Fri Jul 15, 2016 4:57 pm

Kelinfort wrote:Chief of Staff of the Army has been kidnapped by coup backers.

He is unlikely to survive this.

by **Olerand** » Fri Jul 15, 2016 4:57 pm

Zeinbrad wrote:
Kelinfort wrote:Chief of Staff of the Army has been kidnapped by coup backers.

So...it isn't under control?

Unless this is the same guy from before.

I believe this happened in the very beginning.

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