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Postby Baltenstein » Fri Jul 15, 2016 4:51 pm

Olerand wrote:
Upendo Mwenyewe wrote:Sorry, foreign backers. Sorry, military autocrats. Sorry, Europhile white Turks.

Erdogan stays.

As opposed to? The black Turks?


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Postby Kelinfort » Fri Jul 15, 2016 4:51 pm

Olerand wrote:
Kelinfort wrote:He's hedging his bets, but the army is way better for him in the fight against ISIS and he knows that.

America didn't immediately come out against the coup. So the fact that it has now suggests that the US believes it has failed, and there is no point backing it.

US isn't going to back a coup against a NATO ally. End of discussion. The statement had to come out, no matter how this ends.
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Postby United Territories and States » Fri Jul 15, 2016 4:51 pm

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Senkaku wrote:If Erdogan manages to pull through this, though, you know that he'll crack down hugely and use it as an excuse to expand his own power. No fucking idea what the military will do, though.

Hopefully Erdogan fucks off.


Erdogan isn't the one behind the coup d'etat.


No, he meant that if Erdogan manages to survive the coup.
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Postby Herargon » Fri Jul 15, 2016 4:51 pm

Olerand wrote:
Mefpan wrote:Incredibly disappointed by Europe right now. We're getting fucked over by Erdogan that badly and then we just let an opportunity to finally get fucking rid of that demagogue float by.

It's not a good idea to support coups. Especially ones that are doomed to fail. You have to, I believe the term is, hedge your bets.


It gives a signal off, nevertheless...
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Postby Western Hindus » Fri Jul 15, 2016 4:52 pm

Líving in Greece ,in a country so near Turkey , we have sent our army in the borders cause of the fear that the turkish army can do something stupid until the end of the coup
A lot of Greeks and other minorities in Constantinople/Istanbul cant leave the country and they are stuck
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Postby Risottia » Fri Jul 15, 2016 4:52 pm

Upendo Mwenyewe wrote:Sorry, foreign backers. Sorry, military autocrats. Sorry, Europhile white Turks

Last time I checked, Turks were "white".
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Postby Umars memeistan » Fri Jul 15, 2016 4:52 pm

turkeys spy agency said that there under contole
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Postby Calimera II » Fri Jul 15, 2016 4:52 pm

Upendo Mwenyewe wrote:
Calimera II wrote:
White. White. White. White. White.

:roll: You sound pretty racist.


"Waaah, save white people from racism!"

Inform yourself: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Tur ... lack_Turks


I know where it comes from and I think it's a pretty fucking stupid term.
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Postby Serconas » Fri Jul 15, 2016 4:52 pm

Apparently Greece´s Tsipras as come out to support Erdogan.
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Postby Nariterrr » Fri Jul 15, 2016 4:52 pm

Herargon wrote:
The Confederation of the Pacific wrote:Obama officially supports Erdogan


Disgusting... a man saying he supports freedom condemns an army trying to overthrow a dictator that feels so insulted by satire of himself.
Though there are not such great memories of the earlier dictatorship in Turkey, when they invaded Cyprus and ethnically cleansed the population of the north. :/

Remeber that Erdogan was elected democratically, Obama is supporting democracy.
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Postby Valaran » Fri Jul 15, 2016 4:52 pm

Herargon wrote:
Olerand wrote:It's not a good idea to support coups. Especially ones that are doomed to fail. You have to, I believe the term is, hedge your bets.


It gives a signal off, nevertheless...



So? That signal is merely a repsonse to signals from within Turkey.
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Postby Upendo Mwenyewe » Fri Jul 15, 2016 4:52 pm

Risottia wrote:
Upendo Mwenyewe wrote:Sorry, foreign backers. Sorry, military autocrats. Sorry, Europhile white Turksquote]
Last time I checked, Turks were "white".


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Tur ... lack_Turks
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Postby Geilinor » Fri Jul 15, 2016 4:52 pm

Upendo Mwenyewe wrote:Sorry, foreign backers. Sorry, military autocrats. Sorry, Europhile white Turks.

Erdogan stays.

That's not clear yet. And why is everything about white people for you?
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Postby Kelinfort » Fri Jul 15, 2016 4:52 pm

Upendo Mwenyewe wrote:
Calimera II wrote:
White. White. White. White. White.

:roll: You sound pretty racist.


"Waaah, save white people from racism!"

Inform yourself: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Tur ... lack_Turks

Should've saved the Armenians.
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Postby New Umbuso » Fri Jul 15, 2016 4:53 pm

IMO this was doomed from the start but now the coup is really losing.

Shock and awe has worn off and the Erdogan air force is already shutting down the coup's attack helicopters.
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Postby Napkiraly » Fri Jul 15, 2016 4:53 pm

Upendo Mwenyewe wrote:Sorry, Europhile white Turks.

Wut
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Postby Rio Cana » Fri Jul 15, 2016 4:53 pm

One thing is for sure, they are happy in Syria.
This from a source from Israel -
Celebratory gunfire erupted in Syria's capital Damascus as reports emerged that Erdogan had been toppled. People took the streets to celebrate there and in other government-held cities.


Some say this is not a so called "tinpot" coup. That the players know what they are doing.

They say Turkey will lose no matter the outcome. If the Turkish leader survives politically he will most certainly get his way when it comes to speeding up his political program.

Do some think he actually knew this was coming. After all, afew weeks ago he apologized to Russia and was restoring ties to Israel.
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Postby Olerand » Fri Jul 15, 2016 4:53 pm

Kelinfort wrote:
Olerand wrote:America didn't immediately come out against the coup. So the fact that it has now suggests that the US believes it has failed, and there is no point backing it.

US isn't going to back a coup against a NATO ally. End of discussion. The statement had to come out, no matter how this ends.

If the coup had succeeded, America would have backed it, tacitly, by saying that order must be restored, rule of law must be maintained, etc. etc.. That is the only possible excuse for America not condemning the coup the moment it began.

But it failed, so obviously, America is now against.
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Postby Kalifati Arab shqiptar » Fri Jul 15, 2016 4:54 pm

Geilinor wrote:
Upendo Mwenyewe wrote:Sorry, foreign backers. Sorry, military autocrats. Sorry, Europhile white Turks.

Erdogan stays.

That's not clear yet. And why is everything about white people for you?

Because "muh white guilt and slavery"
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Postby Puzikas » Fri Jul 15, 2016 4:54 pm

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Postby Risottia » Fri Jul 15, 2016 4:54 pm

Calimera II wrote:
Upendo Mwenyewe wrote:Sorry, foreign backers. Sorry, military autocrats. Sorry, Europhile white Turks.
Erdogan stays.


White. White. White. White. White.

:roll: You sound pretty racist.

Dude, it's not racist if it's against people whose skin hue he dislikes!
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Postby Kelinfort » Fri Jul 15, 2016 4:54 pm

Olerand wrote:
Kelinfort wrote:US isn't going to back a coup against a NATO ally. End of discussion. The statement had to come out, no matter how this ends.

If the coup had succeeded, America would have backed it, tacitly, by saying that order must be restored, rule of law must be maintained, etc. etc.. That is the only possible excuse for America not condemning the coup the moment it began.

But it failed, so obviously, America is now against.

It has yet to be resolved. IIRC, this is the exact same reaction to what happened back in 1980.
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Postby Skappola » Fri Jul 15, 2016 4:54 pm

Kelinfort wrote:
Olerand wrote:America didn't immediately come out against the coup. So the fact that it has now suggests that the US believes it has failed, and there is no point backing it.

US isn't going to back a coup against a NATO ally. End of discussion. The statement had to come out, no matter how this ends.

We supported the coup back in 1980. No reason to think we wouldn't oppose it now had it been successful.
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Postby Valaran » Fri Jul 15, 2016 4:54 pm

FOX Turkey reports that members of the parliament have descended down to the bunker in the TGNA, and that there are people injured.
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Postby Herargon » Fri Jul 15, 2016 4:54 pm

Western Hindus wrote:Líving in Greece ,in a country so near Turkey , we have sent our army in the borders cause of the fear that the turkish army can do something stupid until the end of the coup
A lot of Greeks and other minorities in Constantinople/Istanbul cant leave the country and they are stuck


I really hope they will be able to remain safe in the City. Stay strong.
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