Make America Great Britain Again

[USS Monitor]

Wait... Why are we having the US stay independent with its own prime minister? Why don't we just merge with the UK?

[Valaran]

Wait... Why are we having the US stay independent with its own prime minister? Why don't we just merge with the UK?

Well, if it wants to...

[Old Tyrannia]

Wait... Why are we having the US stay independent with its own prime minister? Why don't we just merge with the UK?

Because that would give the US the majority of seats in Parliament, and we don't want Donald Trump or Hillary Clinton as Prime Minister.

[New Grestin]

Brownie points for the title, but no.

I'll take my bloated, overbearing, corrupt government over a different bloated, overbearing corrupt government, thanks.

[Novus America]

Wait... Why are we having the US stay independent with its own prime minister? Why don't we just merge with the UK?

Because that would give the US the majority of seats in Parliament, and we don't want Donald Trump or Hillary Clinton as Prime Minister.

Again this is a joke thread, but Trump has almost no support in Congress, and Hillary does not have that much. Neither are members of congress. Paul Ryan would be prime minister if the US had a parliamentary system.

[Noraika]

Cause giving the house majority near absolute power is a good idea?

Just about every country (including the United States) is governed by the majority. Constitutional measures and popular support temper power. Is there reason why you think that this would harm democratic governance? When, of the twenty Full Democracies half of them are monarchies. Of the top ten democratic and free nations in the world, seven are monarchies, only three are even republics. Not seeing how Constitutional Monarchy = undemocratic governance.

In addition, of all the Full Democracies in the world, only three do not use an overtly parliamentary system (Switzerland, Uruguay, and United States), with two of those (Uruguay and United States, in this order) constituting the second-to-last, and last place Full Democracies, with the United States only barely scoring high enough to be considered a Full Democracy. 0.06 points less and the U.S. would be considered a Flawed Democracy. Not seeing how a parliamentary system of government means undemocratic governance. (1)

The United States is not the best model, or the most free model, to base government off of. Every indication I see is that the Parliamentary system, under a Constitutional Monarchy, is a better system to base a free and democratic society upon, for both the reason above, of the performance of the very small number of monarchies in Europe dominating the Republican governments of Europe with little exception, and the United States. As well as numerous reasons such as functionality, stability, democratic expression, unity, government accountability (the executive is directly responsible and accountable to the legislature), and the continuation of a free society, as well as electoral participation, and a welcome return to tradition as well.

Republicanism is not the best assurance of democracy. As one post describes (2), just about no Republic has not devolved into undemocratic systems and authoritarianism, while some monarchies have maintained democratic governance, in one form or another, for longer than most republics, with the exception being Iceland, as the oldest parliamentary democracy. Even the most famous historical Republics, such as Rome, devolved into dictatorship.

[Dinake]

Monarchism should be banned worldwide! And all monarchies need to become democracies.

How do you go about banning a form of government worldwide?

Let's just nuke every single monarchy in the world.

"In recent news, the United States is at war with the entirety of the European Union and the Arab League after launching unprovoked nuclear attacks on a number of members of those organisations. It has been pointed out that almost all of the countries attacked by the US were in fact US allies, causing the US' remaining allies- at this point, basically Israel and South Korea- to be less than willing to come to America's aid in the new war. Meanwhile the burnt out remains of Thailand and Cambodia have been occupied by the People's Liberation Army and Indonesia has laid claim to the less-irradiated parts of Papua New Guinea, Australia and New Zealand whilst people have began fleeing America's major cities in the thousands in anticipation of the inevitable retribution of the UK's two remaining Vanguard-class nuclear submarines, the crews of which now have nothing to lose and a deadly grudge against America for murdering everyone they ever knew and loved."

"In a show of irony, a number of militia leaders, having actual relevancy finally go to their heads, have declared themselves kings of territories under their control since the destruction of US cities and government by British nuclear weapons. The country is now a much bigger Afghanistan. Canadian and Mexican troops are occupying large areas. The remaining state governments have declared themselves seceded. The countryside is ruled by the aforementioned warlords."

[Dinake]

Wait... Why are we having the US stay independent with its own prime minister? Why don't we just merge with the UK?

Because that would give the US the majority of seats in Parliament, and we don't want Donald Trump or Hillary Clinton as Prime Minister.

Prime minister is determined by the parliamentarians, right? Yeah, the congresspeople don't really like Trump. Ryan would probably be prime minister.

[Noraika]

Prime minister is determined by the parliamentarians, right? Yeah, the congresspeople don't really like Trump. Ryan would probably be prime minister.

He's more of a functional House Speaker than a Prime Minister equivalency. Most parliaments also have House Speakers, but they have about as much power as Paul Ryan has currently anyway, so I don't think he'd suddenly become Prime Minister.

We can't say what would be or how things would turn out. House speaker is much different than Prime Minister, as its a position with a lot more power, and in a Parliamentary system the election would be based around the party leaders of the Democrats, Republicans, and any other parties. Also, a lot of voters who typically just vote for the president would likely turn out for the legislative elections, since their voting for the highest governmental office that way, which would change the composition of seats, especially if the United States adopted Proportional Representation in the same way as most parliamentary democracies, and indeed most nations in general.

It would be rather strange to have anything more than a caretaker government between that great constitutional change and restructuring, and a general election called thereafter to provide the government for the new system, for Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II's approval, as well as the appointing of the Governor-General, as Her Majesty's representative in the United States. With all these different factors, who knows what the first Parliament would look like?

[Novus America]

Prime minister is determined by the parliamentarians, right? Yeah, the congresspeople don't really like Trump. Ryan would probably be prime minister.

He's more of a functional House Speaker than a Prime Minister equivalency. Most parliaments also have House Speakers, but they have about as much power as Paul Ryan has currently anyway, so I don't think he'd suddenly become Prime Minister.

We can't say what would be or how things would turn out. House speaker is much different than Prime Minister, as its a position with a lot more power, and in a Parliamentary system the election would be based around the party leaders of the Democrats, Republicans, and any other parties. Also, a lot of voters who typically just vote for the president would likely turn out for the legislative elections, since their voting for the highest governmental office that way, which would change the composition of seats, especially if the United States adopted Proportional Representation in the same way as most parliamentary democracies, and indeed most nations in general.

It would be rather strange to have anything more than a caretaker government between that great constitutional change and restructuring, and a general election called thereafter to provide the government for the new system, for Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II's approval, as well as the appointing of the Governor-General, as Her Majesty's representative in the United States. With all these different factors, who knows what the first Parliament would look like?

This is incorrect. In parliamentary systems the speaker of the house usually a non partisan ceremonial position. In the US the speaker is the leader of the majority party so much closer to prime minister.

[Dinake]

Prime minister is determined by the parliamentarians, right? Yeah, the congresspeople don't really like Trump. Ryan would probably be prime minister.

He's more of a functional House Speaker than a Prime Minister equivalency. Most parliaments also have House Speakers, but they have about as much power as Paul Ryan has currently anyway, so I don't think he'd suddenly become Prime Minister.

We can't say what would be or how things would turn out. House speaker is much different than Prime Minister, as its a position with a lot more power, and in a Parliamentary system the election would be based around the party leaders of the Democrats, Republicans, and any other parties. Also, a lot of voters who typically just vote for the president would likely turn out for the legislative elections, since their voting for the highest governmental office that way, which would change the composition of seats, especially if the United States adopted Proportional Representation in the same way as most parliamentary democracies, and indeed most nations in general.

It would be rather strange to have anything more than a caretaker government between that great constitutional change and restructuring, and a general election called thereafter to provide the government for the new system, for Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II's approval, as well as the appointing of the Governor-General, as Her Majesty's representative in the United States. With all these different factors, who knows what the first Parliament would look like?

Gerrymandering means still heavily republican.
And they would probably elect speaker Ryan to the prime ministership, because he's the only one conservative enough for the tea partiers and reasonable enough for everyone else.

[Australian rePublic]

People already freak out when they hear about countries outside Europe competing in the Eurovision, they'd lose their minds if the US basically joined the EU.

The USAbeing in the Commonwealth basically means that they are in the EU. Yea, the same way that Australia, Canada, New Zealand, Singapore, Malaysia, Nigeria, South Africa, Uganda, India, Pakistan, Samoa, Fiji, Papua New Guinea, Narur, Tuvalu, etc. are right?

[Kainesia]

What makes you think we want you back? We can barely handle Scotland's constant annoying whining as it is.

[Gurori]

How about we just unite every nation under Britain. We could call it the Supreme United Kingdom of Earth and Beyond.

[Noraika]

What makes you think we want you back? We can barely handle Scotland's constant annoying whining as it is.

Well we're not looking to go into Scotland's position, of being a part of the directly-governed part of the United Kingdom, but just a similar situation of being a dominion like Canada or New Zealand. You won't have much to worry about.

[Gun Manufacturers]

Wait... Why are we having the US stay independent with its own prime minister? Why don't we just merge with the UK?

Well, if it wants to...

Nope, nope, don't want to.

[Daffyflippingduck]

If anything we should be making the UK a protectorate or colony or something.

You people have terrible government, worse than ours, and you have terrible culture and terrible leaders and terrible food.

You're terrible in general, is what I'm saying.

[Big Brain City]

If anything we should be making the UK a protectorate or colony or something.

You people have terrible government, worse than ours, and you have terrible culture and terrible leaders and terrible food.

You're terrible in general, is what I'm saying.

naaah, it's saudis with terrible culture, leaders and food
saudi protectorate unite

[Tweedsmere]

People already freak out when they hear about countries outside Europe competing in the Eurovision, they'd lose their minds if the US basically joined the EU.

The USAbeing in the Commonwealth basically means that they are in the EU. Yea, the same way that Australia, Canada, New Zealand, Singapore, Malaysia, Nigeria, South Africa, Uganda, India, Pakistan, Samoa, Fiji, Papua New Guinea, Narur, Tuvalu, etc. are right?

No. Unlike the EU, the Commonwealth has no power to pass binding laws over its member countries. It's more like a mix of NAFTA and the UN, but not as strict as either. Essentially it provides a forum to work together and negotiate friendly trade deals. However, it also provides a forum to critique member nations. Pressure from the Commonwealth was instrumental in ending South African apartheid and freeing Nelson Mandela.

[Smoya]

Hah, never. It'd make a good fantasy book though.

[The New Fandom Republic]

This would cause instant rebellion. Most likely a second American revolution would happen. CUZ MURICA!!!!!!!

Exactly!

[Unified Heartless States]

Seems like the British would be better of as a 51st State.

Consider the Fallowing:

No longer have to deal with EU laws
States rights, state constitution
Would be part of a true union
Would have great navy once again
Would also have great army as bonus
Would once again be part of an empire

[Communist Xomaniax]

Wait... Why are we having the US stay independent with its own prime minister? Why don't we just merge with the UK?

The US is large enough and powerful enough that it would essentially result in the reverse: minor British window dressing and all power vested in America.

[Novus America]

Wait... Why are we having the US stay independent with its own prime minister? Why don't we just merge with the UK?

The US is large enough and powerful enough that it would essentially result in the reverse: minor British window dressing and all power vested in America.

Yes. The US has 5 times the population. Obviously this is a joke thread, but yes, America joining Britain would actually just be America annexing Britain.

[Veridys]

I'm not sure how I feel about this thread...