Make America Great Britain Again

[New haven america]

The US is large enough and powerful enough that it would essentially result in the reverse: minor British window dressing and all power vested in America.

Yes. The US has 5 times the population. Obviously this is a joke thread, but yes, America joining Britain would actually just be America annexing Britain.

Don't worry, Britain will be annexed soon enough...

[Stormaen]

With that said, much of the empire, and especially its most significant territories, with exception to India, remained under the monarchy, in the same manner as is being proposed by the OP. Even Scotland wanted to keep the monarchy if they seceded. The empire fell, and the Commonwealth of Nations took its place, and the United States can apply any time, since it was under British administration.

When was the last time a former British land applied to become a part of the commonwealth after being a republic?

Mauritius in 1992. Being part of the Commonwealth doesn't require having the Queen as head of state. Also worth noting that Rwanda and Mozambique have joined the Commonwealth and neither are former British colonies.

I also think it's worth mentioning that many in Fiji have expressed a desire to restore the monarchy there and the ruling military junta has declared the Queen 'Paramount Chief' of Fiji.

[Minoa]

Well, not really, although the thread poll is currently 137 votes each side.

[USS Monitor]

Wait... Why are we having the US stay independent with its own prime minister? Why don't we just merge with the UK?

Because that would give the US the majority of seats in Parliament, and we don't want Donald Trump or Hillary Clinton as Prime Minister.

But we'd have to do the election over using British rules, so we'd have a chance to pick someone other than Trump or Clinton. You don't actually have to outvote the whole US because Americans won't all vote the same way. You can team up with sane Americans to stop the loony ones.

[USS Monitor]

The USAbeing in the Commonwealth basically means that they are in the EU. Yea, the same way that Australia, Canada, New Zealand, Singapore, Malaysia, Nigeria, South Africa, Uganda, India, Pakistan, Samoa, Fiji, Papua New Guinea, Narur, Tuvalu, etc. are right?

No. Unlike the EU, the Commonwealth has no power to pass binding laws over its member countries. It's more like a mix of NAFTA and the UN, but not as strict as either. Essentially it provides a forum to work together and negotiate friendly trade deals. However, it also provides a forum to critique member nations. Pressure from the Commonwealth was instrumental in ending South African apartheid and freeing Nelson Mandela.

The US isn't in the Commonwealth in the first place anyway.

[USS Monitor]

The US is large enough and powerful enough that it would essentially result in the reverse: minor British window dressing and all power vested in America.

Yes. The US has 5 times the population. Obviously this is a joke thread, but yes, America joining Britain would actually just be America annexing Britain.

Britain would be able to pull the country to the left. Just because they don't have enough people to dominate doesn't mean they don't have enough people to have an influence.

[Braecland]

Being British and loving the USA, I'm inclined to say yes.

[Old Tyrannia]

When was the last time a former British land applied to become a part of the commonwealth after being a republic?

Mauritius in 1992. Being part of the Commonwealth doesn't require having the Queen as head of state. Also worth noting that Rwanda and Mozambique have joined the Commonwealth and neither are former British colonies.

I also think it's worth mentioning that many in Fiji have expressed a desire to restore the monarchy there and the ruling military junta has declared the Queen 'Paramount Chief' of Fiji.

No, the Great Council of Chiefs declared their continued loyalty to Queen Elizabeth II as Paramount Chief or traditional Queen of Fiji following the coup d'etat that overthrew the monarchy in 1987. That body was dissolved by the current military regime of Frank Bainimarama in 2012. There is occasional discussion of restoring the monarchy in Fiji, but the current government has been busily removing colonial and monarchy-era symbols in Fiji including the Queen's image on the Fijian currency and the current Fijian flag as well as the GCC itself.

[The Christonian Imperium]

Look if the queen of England says that the u.s. is British land she clearly is a moronic shite because. A. We were recognized as a nation in 1815 B. We won't let anyone tamper with our freedoms C. We don't like the queen that much D. We fought a war to get you damn Brit's out of the colonies.

And I'm sorry queen Elizabeth but if you were seen with soldiers in Virginia saying that it's your land that your reclaiming. I'll gun down the soldiers and put a knife in your eyes

[Anywhere Else But Here]

Look if the queen of England says that the u.s. is British land she clearly is a moronic shite because. A. We were recognized as a nation in 1815 B. We won't let anyone tamper with our freedoms C. We don't like the queen that much D. We fought a war to get you damn Brit's out of the colonies.

And I'm sorry queen Elizabeth but if you were seen with soldiers in Virginia saying that it's your land that your reclaiming. I'll gun down the soldiers and put a knife in your eyes

Christ. It's a joke thread.

[Nordengrund]

So the US would become a Commonwealth nation like Canada or Australia? I could live with that.

[Napkiraly]

Yes. America needs Her Majesty.

[Sanctissima]

Oh dear god no.

No, no, no, no, no.

I want the Commonwealth weaker, not stronger. We need to get the last vestiges of British imperialism out of North America, not invite it back in.

[Anywhere Else But Here]

Oh dear god no.

No, no, no, no, no.

I want the Commonwealth weaker, not stronger. We need to get the last vestiges of British imperialism out of North America, not invite it back in.

Your words say "no", but your attempts to elect Donald Trump say "yes".

[Old Tyrannia]

Oh dear god no.

No, no, no, no, no.

I want the Commonwealth weaker, not stronger. We need to get the last vestiges of British imperialism out of North America, not invite it back in.

British imperialism departed North America last century. Unless you want to get rid of all signs Britain was ever in North America, which would require the depopulation of virtually the entire continent.

And the Commonwealth is bad because, obviously, it's an evil plot to maintain British global hegemony and not at all a harmless cultural association promoting democracy, human rights and the rule of law in a not-entirely-successful way. Lyndon LaRouche was right all along.

[Napkiraly]

Oh dear god no.

No, no, no, no, no.

I want the Commonwealth weaker, not stronger. We need to get the last vestiges of British imperialism out of North America, not invite it back in.

Gonna have to deal with us Canucks then.

[Sanctissima]

Oh dear god no.

No, no, no, no, no.

I want the Commonwealth weaker, not stronger. We need to get the last vestiges of British imperialism out of North America, not invite it back in.

British imperialism departed North America last century. Unless you want to get rid of all signs Britain was ever in North America, which would require the depopulation of virtually the entire continent.

And the Commonwealth is bad because, obviously, it's an evil plot to maintain British global hegemony and not at all a harmless cultural association promoting democracy, human rights and the rule of law in a not-entirely-successful way. Lyndon LaRouche was right all along.

-sigh-

Yes, by all means, jump to the absurd.

The Commonwealth is a joke. Every member-State (aside from the UK) pays into it, and for what? So that Britain can grace us with its presence? Honestly, fuck that. The UK should be paying us just for sticking around in this useless organization, not the other way around. We shouldn't be expected to throw lavish receptions and pay for the Queen's expenses every time she feels like taking a trip to the colonies. She has more than enough money to pay for herself.

The only reason the Commonwealth exists is the same reason why the Francophonie or any other culture-based intergovernmental European organization exists. It's because the mother countries can't seem to accept that their empires are dead, and they're desperate to preserve what little illusion of nostalgic imperialism remains. I'm tired of seeing my own country waste millions per year on keeping a vegetative corpse of an empire on life support.

[Novus America]

Yes. The US has 5 times the population. Obviously this is a joke thread, but yes, America joining Britain would actually just be America annexing Britain.

Britain would be able to pull the country to the left. Just because they don't have enough people to dominate doesn't mean they don't have enough people to have an influence.

Britain is ruled by the Conservative party. A bunch of statists who spy on everything and regulate pornography. It is not a particularly left wing country.

They also are pretty right wing ecnomically, and even sold the post office. Northern Ireland even bans abortion. So you might get some things more to left. But other things more to the right.

[Herargon]

Britain would be able to pull the country to the left. Just because they don't have enough people to dominate doesn't mean they don't have enough people to have an influence.

Britain is ruled by the Conservative party. A bunch of statists who spy on everything and regulate pornography. It is not a particularly left wing country.

They also are pretty right wing ecnomically, and even sold the post office. Northern Ireland even bans abortion. So you might get some things more to left. But other things more to the right.

Honest opinion jumping in.

Still, comparing the European political spectrum to the American one is almost impossible.
What is right in Europe usually is centre in the US, whilst far right in Europe is right-wing in the United States. If one were to say that healthcare need to be deregulated and privatised, that would leave two very different reactions: in the US, people would be fine with it, whilst in Europe even the most far right politician doesn't dare to say that.

It's easy to place a government on a political scale, but a country itself is harder to do so.
The current British government indeed is economically quite pro-privatising public services, something I'd rather not see. They socially however do not align with the US "left"; rather, it would be the Republican's social stance, albeit more softened.

To quite a few Europeans the American political spectrum seems like right wing to far right, whilst to much of the Americans, the European political spectrum (as far as there is one), is centre left to far left, despite us being actually more representative of the world political spectrum.

It is just that the political spectrums of the US and Europe differ so radically that a comparision would be hard to make. Not impossible though, but certainly hard.

[Radiatia]

I'm personally uneasy about the idea of a Monarchy, but if Her Majesty was to run as an elected head of state I'd vote for her anyway.

[Novus America]

Britain is ruled by the Conservative party. A bunch of statists who spy on everything and regulate pornography. It is not a particularly left wing country.

They also are pretty right wing ecnomically, and even sold the post office. Northern Ireland even bans abortion. So you might get some things more to left. But other things more to the right.

Honest opinion jumping in.

Still, comparing the European political spectrum to the American one is almost impossible.
What is right in Europe usually is centre in the US, whilst far right in Europe is right-wing in the United States. If one were to say that healthcare need to be deregulated and privatised, that would leave two very different reactions: in the US, people would be fine with it, whilst in Europe even the most far right politician doesn't dare to say that.

It's easy to place a government on a political scale, but a country itself is harder to do so.
The current British government indeed is economically quite pro-privatising public services, something I'd rather not see. They socially however do not align with the US "left"; rather, it would be the Republican's social stance, albeit more softened.

To quite a few Europeans the American political spectrum seems like right wing to far right, whilst to much of the Americans, the European political spectrum (as far as there is one), is centre left to far left, despite us being actually more representative of the world political spectrum.

It is just that the political spectrums of the US and Europe differ so radically that a comparision would be hard to make. Not impossible though, but certainly hard.

Sure. That is my point. The spectrums are different so the whole left right dichotomy falls apart. The U.K. is more "left" on many things, more "right" on others.

Though there is no single European political spectrum at all. Europe being more "left" ingnores the existence of Esatern Europe which is in most cases much more "right" than America on most things, especially socially.

[Dooom35796821595]

I'm personally uneasy about the idea of a Monarchy, but if Her Majesty was to run as an elected head of state I'd vote for her anyway.

Are you mad? An election would miss the entire point of a monarchy. Besides, winning an election gives one a democratic mandate and with that, authority. Unelected officials can be just a figurehead.

[Yupun]

Since the US have so many failures, I do not see how a British rule could make it worse...

[Novus America]

I'm personally uneasy about the idea of a Monarchy, but if Her Majesty was to run as an elected head of state I'd vote for her anyway.

Are you mad? An election would miss the entire point of a monarchy. Besides, winning an election gives one a democratic mandate and with that, authority. Unelected officials can be just a figurehead.

Elected monarchies are a thing you know. Generally they are indirectly elected though.

[Dooom35796821595]

Are you mad? An election would miss the entire point of a monarchy. Besides, winning an election gives one a democratic mandate and with that, authority. Unelected officials can be just a figurehead.

Elected monarchies are a thing you know. Generally they are indirectly elected though.

Elected monarchies are an insult to both democracy and monarchy!