Make America Great Britain Again

[Grande Republic of Arcadia]

It seems that the next President of the former colonies is going to be either Hillary Clinton or Donald Trump. Since those are two terrible, terrible choices, what if the Americans made Elizabeth II Queen of the United States?

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Of course the US would not cease to be independent, but think of the advantages:

- No more political gridlock between the executive and the legislative branch, since Congress would also elect the Prime-Minister of the United States;
- No more Republican Party, since there is no longer a republic to defend;
- Think of all the money you would save if you did not hold presidential elections;
- A victory for progressivism, as Her Majesty would be the first woman to reign as a US Head of State;
- Congress would never elect Donald Trump as Prime-Minister.

Not a chance in fucking hell

[Yorkers]

I'm all for a Restoration of the Monarchy just because parliamentary representative democracy is preferable over presidential representative democracy, even if the Swiss system of directorial representative democracy is even better than both and tiered delegative democracy is better than representative democracy as a whole. Additionally, the aristocracy and the bourgeoisie can be played off of each other, though the aristocracy has largely lost that battle in Britain proper and the American Civil War destroyed the emerging American gentry.

What aristocracy do you speak of?

The power of American old money, really the power of this nation's natural elites, such as the Rockefellers, the Kennedys, the Mellons, the Fords, the Hearsts, and the Barrymores; has been substantially diminished. Very few old stock elite families remain, such as the Bushes and the Clintons.

America is governed by a different group of bourgeois-minded elites, who are both foreign in character and heritage to our old families, such as the Kardashians, the Kristols, the Adelsons, and now, the Trumps.

[Southeastern Xiatao]

It seems that the next President of the former colonies is going to be either Hillary Clinton or Donald Trump. Since those are two terrible, terrible choices, what if the Americans made Elizabeth II Queen of the United States?

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Of course the US would not cease to be independent, but think of the advantages:

- No more political gridlock between the executive and the legislative branch, since Congress would also elect the Prime-Minister of the United States;
- No more Republican Party, since there is no longer a republic to defend;
- Think of all the money you would save if you did not hold presidential elections;
- A victory for progressivism, as Her Majesty would be the first woman to reign as a US Head of State;
- Congress would never elect Donald Trump as Prime-Minister.

Not a chance in fucking hell

Actually if you ask me that actually is good.

[Vistulange]

I seem to recall us fighting and winning two wars over this, and now we have even more resources than we did previously.
If the Queen wants to absorb the United States she can say it to a country so massive that one of our fifty states is more than three times the size of the British isles, plus 49 other states and several protectorates.

The British Empire is over, if you dont like that then that is your problem, not the problem of multiple cultures combined in a country spanning a territory so massive that it has access to two oceans, the largest naval fleet ever, and a population that is pretty proud (Perhaps too proud) of the fact that we won two wars over this.

The United Kingdoms gave up all claim to the United States when they recognized us as an independent country. All this would create if it succeeded is angry civilian militias and an obscenely powerful constitutional monarchy that would control a global Superpower, as well as multiple powers. Such an imbalance would lead to total corruption from the associated power, and would likely royally (Heh) fuck over the planet as a whole.
Opposed by an American.

Please.

The Commonwealth was merely biding its time. The Second World War was merely a setback.

Soon.

[Frangleterre]

Definitely, and give back Louisiana (the old frountiers of course) to France, now we're at it, we'd also take Québec back.

All good? All good.

Now excuse me, I have to go rule some buisness in Indoch... I mean Vietnam.

[Southeastern Xiatao]

Besides my nation is entirely based on British/Spanish Argentina, similar to that of Canada today.

[Soviet Papyrus]

This would cause instant rebellion. Most likely a second American revolution would happen. CUZ MURICA!!!!!!!

[Old Tyrannia]

Baroness Thatcher died in 2013. Reports that her last words were "I'm melting! I'm melting!" remain unconfirmed.

What about the Munchkin celebrations?

They're still not sure that she is morally, ethically, spiritually, physically, positively, absolutely, undeniably and reliably dead.

[Southeastern Xiatao]

Not to mention Israel was apart of the British Empire, and yet they aren't in the Commonwealth either. (And we know why they aren't in the Commonwealth)

[Yorkers]

I do not believe that the US annexing the UK is likely, or even reasonable either. I should have revised my argument. Given the current standing of US power projection, America is in a much stronger position to annex Great Britain, than Britain is to restore the House of Hanover in our land. As for any American regime having an interest in annexing the Isles, perhaps an alternate Cold War where the Soviet Union is significantly more powerful necessitates the integration of Britain, Ireland, and Canada into the United States. Again, this is within the realm of fiction.

A homegrown monarch developing in America is also rather unlikely, but I do often feel like that had the Confederate States been successful, they would have been come a monarchy, or at the very least have an official landed gentry (composed of the planter class of course).

Granted, this was a humorous thread, and the OP only meant it in jest. Still, on the internet, I enjoy nitpicking.

Very unlikely, unless of course you see this...

And it makes me want to cry just seeing this and reading the scenario in general.

http://ynot1989.deviantart.com/art/2079-Colonization-433445380

The scenario described in the American Southwest there makes my stomach churn. What a living nightmare of a world.

[Southeastern Xiatao]

This would cause instant rebellion. Most likely a second American revolution would happen. CUZ MURICA!!!!!!!

And then the old rednecks and hicks be no more.

[Tweedsmere]

Elizabeth doesn't do shit.

Actually, as she has to travel with a personal toilet seat so she doesn't have to share, I think we can safely assume that she does 'do shit.'

[Southeastern Xiatao]

Very unlikely, unless of course you see this...

And it makes me want to cry just seeing this and reading the scenario in general.

http://ynot1989.deviantart.com/art/2079-Colonization-433445380

The scenario described in the American Southwest there makes my stomach churn. What a living nightmare of a world.

It gets worse, due to the fact that this dude believes Mexico will go to war with us again (and Mexico becomes more modernized and gets rid of drug cartels in near future). And yes, he thinks this is paradise. But me and many others think that this is hell.

[Yorkers]

The scenario described in the American Southwest there makes my stomach churn. What a living nightmare of a world.

It gets worse, due to the fact that this dude believes Mexico will go to war with us again (and Mexico becomes more modernized and gets rid of drug cartels in near future). And yes, he thinks this is paradise. But me and many others think that this is hell.

It's a coincidence that you linked me to such a work, because I am very familiar with this author and have read similar works before.

I cannot think of a single reason why in world in which World Wars III and IV happen is "paradise".

[Old Tyrannia]

I seem to recall us fighting and winning two wars over this, and now we have even more resources than we did previously.
If the Queen wants to absorb the United States she can say it to a country so massive that one of our fifty states is more than three times the size of the British isles, plus 49 other states and several protectorates.

The British Empire is over, if you dont like that then that is your problem, not the problem of multiple cultures combined in a country spanning a territory so massive that it has access to two oceans, the largest naval fleet ever, and a population that is pretty proud (Perhaps too proud) of the fact that we won two wars over this.

The United Kingdoms gave up all claim to the United States when they recognized us as an independent country. All this would create if it succeeded is angry civilian militias and an obscenely powerful constitutional monarchy that would control a global Superpower, as well as multiple powers. Such an imbalance would lead to total corruption from the associated power, and would likely royally (Heh) fuck over the planet as a whole.
Opposed by an American.

Two wars? What was the second one?

[Southeastern Xiatao]

Elizabeth doesn't do shit.

Actually, as she has to travel with a personal toilet seat so she doesn't have to share, I think we can safely assume that she does 'do shit.'

The following is a partial list of Queen Elizabeth’s Royal Prerogative Powers:
- The Queen alone, as Head of the Armed Forces, may declare war or peace
- The Queen alone may conclude treaties
- The Queen (as commander-in-chief) may choose and appoint officers of all ranks
- The Queen may convoke, adjourn, remove, and dissolve Parliament
- The Queen may appoint a Prime Minister of her own choosing
- The Queen may dismiss the Prime Minister and his Government
- The Queen can choose and appoint all judges, councillors, officers of state, etc.
- The Queen may initiate criminal proceedings, and she alone can bestow a pardon
- The Queen may refuse the Royal Assent
- The Queen may refuse to dissolve Parliament when requested by the Prime Minister
- The Queen can choose and appoint all Archbishops, Bishops, and ecclesiastical dignitaries
- The Queen may exercise the refusal of the “Queen’s Consent” (direct Monarchical assent is required for a bill affecting the prerogative, hereditary revenues or the personal property or interests of the Crown to be heard in Parliament).
- Since the Sovereign is “first in honour, dignity and in power--and the seat and fountain of all three,'' the Queen may bestow all public honours, including creating peerages or bestowing Orders of Chivalry


The Queen’s non-political (ceremonial) roles include the following:
- Perform the ceremonial and official duties of Head of State
- Represent Britain to the rest of the world
- Provide a focus for national identity and unity
- Provide stability and continuity in times of change
- Recognise achievement and excellence (by means of awards, medals or orders)
- Encourage public and voluntary service
- Support charities and foundations and highlight their causes

[Southeastern Xiatao]

I seem to recall us fighting and winning two wars over this, and now we have even more resources than we did previously.
If the Queen wants to absorb the United States she can say it to a country so massive that one of our fifty states is more than three times the size of the British isles, plus 49 other states and several protectorates.

The British Empire is over, if you dont like that then that is your problem, not the problem of multiple cultures combined in a country spanning a territory so massive that it has access to two oceans, the largest naval fleet ever, and a population that is pretty proud (Perhaps too proud) of the fact that we won two wars over this.

The United Kingdoms gave up all claim to the United States when they recognized us as an independent country. All this would create if it succeeded is angry civilian militias and an obscenely powerful constitutional monarchy that would control a global Superpower, as well as multiple powers. Such an imbalance would lead to total corruption from the associated power, and would likely royally (Heh) fuck over the planet as a whole.
Opposed by an American.

Two wars? What was the second one?

The War of 1812?

[Biona]

God save our gracious Queen! Long live our noble Queen! God save the Queen!

As an American, I can say with full confidence that I would heartily welcome it if Her Majesty was to accept her rule over the United States of America, and bring the country into the Commonwealth of Nations. It would also be a blessing if we were to inherit the Parliamentary system, and bring an end to the ridiculousness of the Presidential system.

Make America Great Britain Again!

To be fair, presidentialism only makes a political god out of the presidency; parliamentarianism alone, however, would scarcely end any of the other issues of our modern-day system, which are the result of our own peculiar history as much as our particular form of democratism and administrative power-sharing.
eh, it can't be worse than what we have now. God save the Queen!

[Rio Cana]

A US annexation of Britain is significantly more likely than America becoming a monarchy.

It's really not.

Neither of those scenarios is likely in the short term. In the long term? I could see the United States becoming a monarchy at some point in the far-off future, or at least a monarchy arising within what is currently the territory of the United States. An American annexation of the UK, I actually have a harder time seeing. I don't see why any American-based government would have any interested in annexing the British Isles, although it's not impossible I suppose. Who knows what the geopolitical landscape will look like in a thousand years' time, if there is anyone left by then at all?

I do not, of course, seriously believe that the United States will restore the monarchy of the former Thirteen Colonies in the person of Elizabeth II or her successors. That ship has sailed. I didn't think anyone was taking this thread that seriously to be honest, but some NSers don't seem to appreciate this thing we have called humour. Note the "u," Americans- I know yo gys sometimes have problems remembering that letter.

That "u" could also be for "You should know that anyone's so called "Motherland" is no joking matter".

[Herargon]

No, France already owns several external states. E.G. French Guiana uses the euro and is part of the eu yet it's in S. America

The EU's method of dealing with the overseas territories of its member nations is inconsistent.

Which is because overseas territories and their status with the EU, is determined by the politics of their respective dominant countries. An overseas territory can be not in the EU but its dominant country cannot, whilst if the overseas territory wants to be in the EU whilst its dominant country is not, then it will depend on their location.

If the UK were to step out of the EU, its territories could opt to remain in, because they have their own cabinet and government. However, if Svalbard (ok, poor example, but still) wants to get into the EU whilst Norway is not, they can not do that, because their dominant country isn't in the EU.

And so we can also say that an overseas territory can choose to join the EU, even if itself isn't in Europe. Because its dominant country is in the EU. A department such as French Guyana thus could decide to join the EU because France, its dominant country, is in the EU.

The EU's treatment of overseas territories thus actually is pretty consistent. Is a dominant country a member state of the EU? Then it can join. Was the dominant country an EU member state?
The overseas territory can opt to remain in, because it has a different government.
And has the dominant country never been a member of the EU? Then it cannot join, unless its territory is near the EU or borders an EU member state.



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Anyways, I'm all for letting the US become a monarchy once again. Under British rule.
Looking at the political climate in the States now -- it's a joke that the Queen doesn't rule the US yet

[Major-Tom]

We beat your tea drinking asses in 1776, and you Brits better pray we don't have to again.

[Old Tyrannia]

Two wars? What was the second one?

The War of 1812?

The war of aggression that America started? The war that ended with the UK achieving all of its war aims, plus burning the US' capital to the ground, and the US' attempted invasion of Canada failing miserably?

[Major-Tom]

Elizabeth doesn't do shit.

I concur.

[The Romulan Republic]

Hereditary monarchy is inherently wrong as it places some people above others on the basis of birth/blood.

[Aurevbush]