19 Year old charged with Statutory Rape? Read!

[Southern Astrania]

http://abcnews.go.com/US/indiana-man-za ... d=34585365



It all is said in the link^


A 19 year old at the time, had sex with a 14 year old whom lied about her age, claiming she was 17. He reasonably believed that Mistake of fact was present, and the court system still refused to recognize this.

Judge Wiley is horrific for this sentencing, and his Punishment is incoherent with his crime.


Some men definitely belong on the registry, but men within the case that had a Good faith, and reasonable belief that a "Victim" was older in this circumstance should be acquitted, or lessen the charges.


What are your thoughts?

[Hardened Pyrokinetics]

Two years probation and he doesn't get on the sex offender registry. The fuck else do you want? Dumbass is just as much at fault as the girl.

[Souseiseki]

Two years probation and he doesn't get on the sex offender registry. The fuck else do you want? Dumbass is just as much at fault as the girl.

lol @ people who legit think people demand photographic evidence and proof of birth before having sex

[Dinake]

There's a difference between being malicious and being a dumbass. He was definitely the latter, although he really should have been more careful. The revised sentence seems fair; it was at least partly his fault.

[Dinake]

Two years probation and he doesn't get on the sex offender registry. The fuck else do you want? Dumbass is just as much at fault as the girl.

lol @ people who legit think people demand photographic evidence and proof of birth before having sex

Maybe they should.

[Chuukango]

I vaugely remember a thread of the exact same scenario from summer 2015, anybody else?

Edit: This article was from October of 2015, so yes, I think this is the same story discussed in said thread.

[Kubra]

I vaugely remember a thread of the exact same scenario from summer 2015, anybody else?

Edit: This article was from October of 2015, so yes, I think this is the same story discussed in said thread.

I do
It was a chessmistress thread and not even she was too hot on it
It's a complete non-issue.

[Internationalist Bastard]

Yeah no, this is stupid.

[Luziyca]

I swear to God I saw the exact same thread several months ago.

[Chuukango]

I swear to God I saw the exact same thread several months ago.

Pretty sire that it's the same story, seeing how the article is dated back to October 2015.

[Anarchist Heathenry]

Statutory rape is nonsense.

[Kaboomlandia]

Two years probation and he doesn't get on the sex offender registry. The fuck else do you want? Dumbass is just as much at fault as the girl.

lol @ people who legit think people demand photographic evidence and proof of birth before having sex

"So, you say you're 18? I want to see two pieces of photo evidence?"

Yeah, nothing would kill the mood faster...

[MERIZoC]

I remember a story similar to this from about a year ago, except I don't remember if the man in question managed to avoid the registry. Statutory rape laws in general are absurd, but even more so when applied like this. Them and the sex offender registry both deserve a good abolishing.

[The Corparation]

http://abcnews.go.com/US/indiana-man-zach-anderson-avoids-25-years-sex/story?id=34585365



It all is said in the link^


A 19 year old at the time, had sex with a 14 year old whom lied about her age, claiming she was 17. He reasonably believed that Mistake of fact was present, and the court system still refused to recognize this.

Judge Wiley is horrific for this sentencing, and his Punishment is incoherent with his crime.


Some men definitely belong on the registry, but men within the case that had a Good faith, and reasonable belief that a "Victim" was older in this circumstance should be acquitted, or lessen the charges.


What are your thoughts?

I think the judge was quite fair going from the headline which you didn't read.

Indiana Man Zach Anderson Avoids 25 Years on Sex Offender Registry, Given Probation

I remember a story similar to this from about a year ago, except I don't remember if the man in question managed to avoid the registry. Statutory rape laws in general are absurd, but even more so when applied like this. Them and the sex offender registry both deserve a good abolishing.

Its the same story. And the kids not on the registry. Just two years probation, which he probably could have gotten if she were actually 17.

[Trotskylvania]

http://abcnews.go.com/US/indiana-man-zach-anderson-avoids-25-years-sex/story?id=34585365



It all is said in the link^


A 19 year old at the time, had sex with a 14 year old whom lied about her age, claiming she was 17. He reasonably believed that Mistake of fact was present, and the court system still refused to recognize this.

Judge Wiley is horrific for this sentencing, and his Punishment is incoherent with his crime.


Some men definitely belong on the registry, but men within the case that had a Good faith, and reasonable belief that a "Victim" was older in this circumstance should be acquitted, or lessen the charges.


What are your thoughts?

This is what strict liability means. The judge doesn't have the right to void laws made by the legislature if he thinks they are stupid, he has to follow them. If his lawyers failed to articulate the Good Faith defense as articulated in U.S v Kantor 677 F.Supp. 1421 (1987), then the judge has no reason but to pass down the kind of sentences the law requires.

I remember a story similar to this from about a year ago, except I don't remember if the man in question managed to avoid the registry. Statutory rape laws in general are absurd, but even more so when applied like this. Them and the sex offender registry both deserve a good abolishing.

No they're not. The only alternative is making child sexual abuse legal.

[Galloism]

http://abcnews.go.com/US/indiana-man-zach-anderson-avoids-25-years-sex/story?id=34585365



It all is said in the link^


A 19 year old at the time, had sex with a 14 year old whom lied about her age, claiming she was 17. He reasonably believed that Mistake of fact was present, and the court system still refused to recognize this.

Judge Wiley is horrific for this sentencing, and his Punishment is incoherent with his crime.


Some men definitely belong on the registry, but men within the case that had a Good faith, and reasonable belief that a "Victim" was older in this circumstance should be acquitted, or lessen the charges.


What are your thoughts?

This is what strict liability means. The judge doesn't have the right to void laws made by the legislature if he thinks they are stupid, he has to follow them. If his lawyers failed to articulate the Good Faith defense as articulated in U.S v Kantor 677 F.Supp. 1421 (1987), then the judge has no reason but to pass down the kind of sentences the law requires.

I remember a story similar to this from about a year ago, except I don't remember if the man in question managed to avoid the registry. Statutory rape laws in general are absurd, but even more so when applied like this. Them and the sex offender registry both deserve a good abolishing.

No they're not. The only alternative is making child sexual abuse legal.

I don't think it's inherently bad for felonies to require mens rea, though.

Probably should modify the law so as not to disregard mens rea, I think.

[Chris Hallett]

lol @ people who legit think people demand photographic evidence and proof of birth before having sex

"So, you say you're 18? I want to see two pieces of photo evidence?"

Yeah, nothing would kill the mood faster...

"You're 18? Show me your ID."

Not once did that stop me getting laid. Now, I'm not claiming to be some casanova that plowed his way through fields of fair young maidens, but I feel like I managed to do pretty well for an ugly poor dude in a small town, so if I can do it, almost anyone can.

[Kubra]

http://abcnews.go.com/US/indiana-man-zach-anderson-avoids-25-years-sex/story?id=34585365



It all is said in the link^


A 19 year old at the time, had sex with a 14 year old whom lied about her age, claiming she was 17. He reasonably believed that Mistake of fact was present, and the court system still refused to recognize this.

Judge Wiley is horrific for this sentencing, and his Punishment is incoherent with his crime.


Some men definitely belong on the registry, but men within the case that had a Good faith, and reasonable belief that a "Victim" was older in this circumstance should be acquitted, or lessen the charges.


What are your thoughts?

I think the judge was quite fair going from the headline which you didn't read.

Indiana Man Zach Anderson Avoids 25 Years on Sex Offender Registry, Given Probation

I remember a story similar to this from about a year ago, except I don't remember if the man in question managed to avoid the registry. Statutory rape laws in general are absurd, but even more so when applied like this. Them and the sex offender registry both deserve a good abolishing.

Its the same story. And the kids not on the registry. Just two years probation, which he probably could have gotten if she were actually 17.

that's cuz the judge got switched. The first Straight up said that his biggest problem was young'uns scoodlypooping

[Costa Fierro]

I remember a story similar to this from about a year ago, except I don't remember if the man in question managed to avoid the registry. Statutory rape laws in general are absurd, but even more so when applied like this. Them and the sex offender registry both deserve a good abolishing.

Why would you want to abolish rape laws and the sex offender registry?

[The Grey Wolf]

I remember a story similar to this from about a year ago, except I don't remember if the man in question managed to avoid the registry. Statutory rape laws in general are absurd, but even more so when applied like this. Them and the sex offender registry both deserve a good abolishing.

Why would you want to abolish rape laws and the sex offender registry?

He didn't want to abolish rape laws in general, just statutory ones.

And the sex offender registry is simply harmful. It's a list based on sensationalism that keeps people from being rehabilitated into society.

[Northern Freikur]

Two years probation and he doesn't get on the sex offender registry. The fuck else do you want? Dumbass is just as much at fault as the girl.

Yep Basically.

[MERIZoC]

http://abcnews.go.com/US/indiana-man-zach-anderson-avoids-25-years-sex/story?id=34585365



It all is said in the link^


A 19 year old at the time, had sex with a 14 year old whom lied about her age, claiming she was 17. He reasonably believed that Mistake of fact was present, and the court system still refused to recognize this.

Judge Wiley is horrific for this sentencing, and his Punishment is incoherent with his crime.


Some men definitely belong on the registry, but men within the case that had a Good faith, and reasonable belief that a "Victim" was older in this circumstance should be acquitted, or lessen the charges.


What are your thoughts?

This is what strict liability means. The judge doesn't have the right to void laws made by the legislature if he thinks they are stupid, he has to follow them. If his lawyers failed to articulate the Good Faith defense as articulated in U.S v Kantor 677 F.Supp. 1421 (1987), then the judge has no reason but to pass down the kind of sentences the law requires.

I remember a story similar to this from about a year ago, except I don't remember if the man in question managed to avoid the registry. Statutory rape laws in general are absurd, but even more so when applied like this. Them and the sex offender registry both deserve a good abolishing.

No they're not. The only alternative is making child sexual abuse legal.

Except this and many other statutory rape cases aren't sexual abuse by any means.

[MERIZoC]

Why would you want to abolish rape laws and the sex offender registry?

He didn't want to abolish rape laws in general, just statutory ones.

And the sex offender registry is simply harmful. It's a list based on sensationalism that keeps people from being rehabilitated into society.

Exactly. The vast majority of people on the registry aren't exactly serial rapists. A lot were involved in cases like this, or cases of boyfriends having sex with underaged girlfriends, or instances of consensual sexting. The registry can ruin someone's life, making it hard for them to get a job, making neighbors ostracize them, etc. They do way more harm than good.

[JChillin]

He didn't want to abolish rape laws in general, just statutory ones.

And the sex offender registry is simply harmful. It's a list based on sensationalism that keeps people from being rehabilitated into society.

Exactly. The vast majority of people on the registry aren't exactly serial rapists. A lot were involved in cases like this, or cases of boyfriends having sex with underaged girlfriends, or instances of consensual sexting. The registry can ruin someone's life, making it hard for them to get a job, making neighbors ostracize them, etc. They do way more harm than good.

I agree with the primitivist.

[Ashmoria]

http://abcnews.go.com/US/indiana-man-zach-anderson-avoids-25-years-sex/story?id=34585365



It all is said in the link^


A 19 year old at the time, had sex with a 14 year old whom lied about her age, claiming she was 17. He reasonably believed that Mistake of fact was present, and the court system still refused to recognize this.

Judge Wiley is horrific for this sentencing, and his Punishment is incoherent with his crime.


Some men definitely belong on the registry, but men within the case that had a Good faith, and reasonable belief that a "Victim" was older in this circumstance should be acquitted, or lessen the charges.


What are your thoughts?

it seems like a good sentence for the crime committed.

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the sex offender registry has become counterproductive