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by Katganistan » Wed Feb 24, 2010 8:04 pm
by Katganistan » Wed Feb 24, 2010 8:18 pm
Person012345 wrote:I'd say that the reason a bunch of high school (I gather that's what this is?) teachers would want to have cameras in their students houses and bedrooms is fairly obvious.
by Katganistan » Wed Feb 24, 2010 8:40 pm
Saint Jade IV wrote:Tekania wrote:Ifreann wrote:[the peanut gallery speaks]
"The laptop computers that will be issued to all Lower Merion and Harriton students are the property of Lower Merion School District. Students are responsible for the appropriate use of these laptops both at school and at home. The laptops are for the use of students for educational purposes. All commercial, illegal, unethical and inappropriate use of these laptops is expressly prohibited....
...shall not be used:
...
for gambling or commercial purposes or for any non-school related
purposes;"
[1] The laptop is school property, not personal property...
[2] Students are responsible for their use at home as well as school
[3] Commercial use is prohibited...
[4] non-school related purposes are also prohibited...
Perhaps I should come to your parents store, write my credit card info on a yellow sticky... and plaster it on the front their register, then turn around get a lawyer and sue them for violating my privacy... Because this makes about as much sense as what you're saying... Which is none what-so-ever... The laptop's are not for processing credit cards... they are not for checking facebook... they are not for playing games, they are not for tons of shit... so to claim a right to privacy in a case where you're illegally appropriating equipment (read stealing) is absurd... There is absolutely no expectation of privacy on the property of another...
I figured that there would be some sort of agreement like this in place, since we have the same sort of thing here.
As I said, parents and students often don't read the fine print, and then whinge when there are consequences for inappropriate use. That being said, the whole spying on the families thing was wrong. Who invented a camera that could do that, and who made it available for retail sale?
by Bazatia » Fri Feb 26, 2010 9:06 pm
Axis Nova wrote:Katganistan, can you condense your posts, please? A triple post is both unneccesary and spammy, especially when two of them are just small quotes.
Tsaraine wrote:Somewhere in Philadelphia, one school administrator has just smacked another school administrator upside the head. "Damnit, Jenkins! I told you we should just have gone with chastity belts!"
by Katganistan » Fri Feb 26, 2010 9:17 pm
Axis Nova wrote:Katganistan, can you condense your posts, please? A triple post is both unneccesary and spammy, especially when two of them are just small quotes.
by West Floradia » Fri Feb 26, 2010 9:25 pm
by Blob-land » Fri Feb 26, 2010 9:29 pm
Helertia wrote:North Wiedna wrote:Darkaddia wrote:Neesika wrote:Laerod wrote:Huh?Because the webcam can capture anything happening in the room where the laptop is, district personnel could illicitly observe plenty more than a student's online activity, the lawsuit alleges.
I'm assuming the webcams were integrated into the laptops, so it would be pointing away from the screen. How would they be able to use the webcam itself to monitor the online activity in the first place?
So was the computer monitoring keystrokes, and online usage? Were the webcams controlled remotely? So bizarre. I can't imagine how something like this would even pass the fantasy stage.
My school issued laptop does monitor key strokes... thankfully, it does not have a webcam.
I would not accept a laptop from my school in the first place.
Well... I don't suppose there's a choice. I would just search "puppies" everyday to seem good.
See, I'd freak them out by looking up anarchist websites and reading slash fiction
Myplaceyo wrote:
It's like "My pants are on...you're not bringing me food...so why are you even here?"
by Katganistan » Fri Feb 26, 2010 9:33 pm
West Floradia wrote:RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGE
Now that that's over with, on to the (semi) coherent rant.
First off, who the FUCK thought this was a good idea? "I know, let's give students laptops with built-in webcams! and then we can use the webcams to spy on them even off campus! wheeee!"
Second off, does the school district REALLY FUCKING THINK anyone READS the shit they make the parents sign? no. You, here, dotted line, sign. Though, this is the parents' fault, they should have known what they were signing and BEAT THE SHIT OUT OF THE ASSHOLE WHO DECIDED THIS.
Third- Okay, okay. I don't know if this has been brought up and I'm too lazy to read the rest of the thread right now, but apparently the webcams were set up that way so that if they were reported missing, the school could find them. Uh, children, can we say FUCKING BULLSHIT? IF the webcams are built in, the stolen/missing laptop would likely be closed, and the webcam wouldn't be able to see anything, unless the thief was actually using it. Wouldn't somebody have pointed this out?
Fourth- the kid got in trouble for something AT HOME. I don't know what it was, but the school has no business controlling what goes on at home. Home is the parents' responsibility, and school has no place there. Schools in general are trying to gain more control over students- drug testing, uniforms, zero-tolerance, longer school days- schools are turning into fucking prisons! And now they're sending out laptops with built-in webcams to SPY ON STUDENTS (even if they are trying to "locate missing items") and get them in trouble for shit they do at HOME?! OFF CAMPUS?!
I'm so glad I'm getting the fuck out of high school fascist hell in June.
by West Floradia » Fri Feb 26, 2010 9:40 pm
Katganistan wrote:West Floradia wrote:RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGE
Now that that's over with, on to the (semi) coherent rant.
First off, who the FUCK thought this was a good idea? "I know, let's give students laptops with built-in webcams! and then we can use the webcams to spy on them even off campus! wheeee!"
Second off, does the school district REALLY FUCKING THINK anyone READS the shit they make the parents sign? no. You, here, dotted line, sign. Though, this is the parents' fault, they should have known what they were signing and BEAT THE SHIT OUT OF THE ASSHOLE WHO DECIDED THIS.
Third- Okay, okay. I don't know if this has been brought up and I'm too lazy to read the rest of the thread right now, but apparently the webcams were set up that way so that if they were reported missing, the school could find them. Uh, children, can we say FUCKING BULLSHIT? IF the webcams are built in, the stolen/missing laptop would likely be closed, and the webcam wouldn't be able to see anything, unless the thief was actually using it. Wouldn't somebody have pointed this out?
Fourth- the kid got in trouble for something AT HOME. I don't know what it was, but the school has no business controlling what goes on at home. Home is the parents' responsibility, and school has no place there. Schools in general are trying to gain more control over students- drug testing, uniforms, zero-tolerance, longer school days- schools are turning into fucking prisons! And now they're sending out laptops with built-in webcams to SPY ON STUDENTS (even if they are trying to "locate missing items") and get them in trouble for shit they do at HOME?! OFF CAMPUS?!
I'm so glad I'm getting the fuck out of high school fascist hell in June.
I think we're all in agreement that it was completely wrong of schools to monitor students at home by remotely turning on webcams, but if you think "I didn't read it," is a valid way to get out of a contract, you're sadly mistaken. There are plenty of people who didn't read the contract and were told by the courts, "It was your responsibility to read the fine print."
by Katganistan » Fri Feb 26, 2010 9:42 pm
West Floradia wrote:Katganistan wrote:West Floradia wrote:RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGE
Now that that's over with, on to the (semi) coherent rant.
First off, who the FUCK thought this was a good idea? "I know, let's give students laptops with built-in webcams! and then we can use the webcams to spy on them even off campus! wheeee!"
Second off, does the school district REALLY FUCKING THINK anyone READS the shit they make the parents sign? no. You, here, dotted line, sign. Though, this is the parents' fault, they should have known what they were signing and BEAT THE SHIT OUT OF THE ASSHOLE WHO DECIDED THIS.
Third- Okay, okay. I don't know if this has been brought up and I'm too lazy to read the rest of the thread right now, but apparently the webcams were set up that way so that if they were reported missing, the school could find them. Uh, children, can we say FUCKING BULLSHIT? IF the webcams are built in, the stolen/missing laptop would likely be closed, and the webcam wouldn't be able to see anything, unless the thief was actually using it. Wouldn't somebody have pointed this out?
Fourth- the kid got in trouble for something AT HOME. I don't know what it was, but the school has no business controlling what goes on at home. Home is the parents' responsibility, and school has no place there. Schools in general are trying to gain more control over students- drug testing, uniforms, zero-tolerance, longer school days- schools are turning into fucking prisons! And now they're sending out laptops with built-in webcams to SPY ON STUDENTS (even if they are trying to "locate missing items") and get them in trouble for shit they do at HOME?! OFF CAMPUS?!
I'm so glad I'm getting the fuck out of high school fascist hell in June.
I think we're all in agreement that it was completely wrong of schools to monitor students at home by remotely turning on webcams, but if you think "I didn't read it," is a valid way to get out of a contract, you're sadly mistaken. There are plenty of people who didn't read the contract and were told by the courts, "It was your responsibility to read the fine print."
I'm not saying that. I'm just saying, very few people read the fine print, and you'd think the ones who do would tell someone. The parents should have looked though, and then challenged the rule BEFORE this sort of thing happened. It's not a valid way, and it's going to be sticky for them in court.
But still, why do schools bother teaching us what the Bill of Rights is if they're going to violate it repeatedly and in as many ways as they can?
by West Floradia » Fri Feb 26, 2010 9:43 pm
Person012345 wrote:I'd say that the reason a bunch of high school (I gather that's what this is?) teachers would want to have cameras in their students houses and bedrooms is fairly obvious.
by West Floradia » Fri Feb 26, 2010 9:47 pm
Katganistan wrote:West Floradia wrote:Katganistan wrote:West Floradia wrote:RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGE
Now that that's over with, on to the (semi) coherent rant.
First off, who the FUCK thought this was a good idea? "I know, let's give students laptops with built-in webcams! and then we can use the webcams to spy on them even off campus! wheeee!"
Second off, does the school district REALLY FUCKING THINK anyone READS the shit they make the parents sign? no. You, here, dotted line, sign. Though, this is the parents' fault, they should have known what they were signing and BEAT THE SHIT OUT OF THE ASSHOLE WHO DECIDED THIS.
Third- Okay, okay. I don't know if this has been brought up and I'm too lazy to read the rest of the thread right now, but apparently the webcams were set up that way so that if they were reported missing, the school could find them. Uh, children, can we say FUCKING BULLSHIT? IF the webcams are built in, the stolen/missing laptop would likely be closed, and the webcam wouldn't be able to see anything, unless the thief was actually using it. Wouldn't somebody have pointed this out?
Fourth- the kid got in trouble for something AT HOME. I don't know what it was, but the school has no business controlling what goes on at home. Home is the parents' responsibility, and school has no place there. Schools in general are trying to gain more control over students- drug testing, uniforms, zero-tolerance, longer school days- schools are turning into fucking prisons! And now they're sending out laptops with built-in webcams to SPY ON STUDENTS (even if they are trying to "locate missing items") and get them in trouble for shit they do at HOME?! OFF CAMPUS?!
I'm so glad I'm getting the fuck out of high school fascist hell in June.
I think we're all in agreement that it was completely wrong of schools to monitor students at home by remotely turning on webcams, but if you think "I didn't read it," is a valid way to get out of a contract, you're sadly mistaken. There are plenty of people who didn't read the contract and were told by the courts, "It was your responsibility to read the fine print."
I'm not saying that. I'm just saying, very few people read the fine print, and you'd think the ones who do would tell someone. The parents should have looked though, and then challenged the rule BEFORE this sort of thing happened. It's not a valid way, and it's going to be sticky for them in court.
But still, why do schools bother teaching us what the Bill of Rights is if they're going to violate it repeatedly and in as many ways as they can?
Please remember this is ONE school, and that you've had multiple teachers in this thread (myself included) express horror and disapproval that ANY school system would think this appropriate.
by Katganistan » Fri Feb 26, 2010 9:53 pm
West Floradia wrote:Katganistan wrote:West Floradia wrote:Katganistan wrote:West Floradia wrote:RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGE
Now that that's over with, on to the (semi) coherent rant.
First off, who the FUCK thought this was a good idea? "I know, let's give students laptops with built-in webcams! and then we can use the webcams to spy on them even off campus! wheeee!"
Second off, does the school district REALLY FUCKING THINK anyone READS the shit they make the parents sign? no. You, here, dotted line, sign. Though, this is the parents' fault, they should have known what they were signing and BEAT THE SHIT OUT OF THE ASSHOLE WHO DECIDED THIS.
Third- Okay, okay. I don't know if this has been brought up and I'm too lazy to read the rest of the thread right now, but apparently the webcams were set up that way so that if they were reported missing, the school could find them. Uh, children, can we say FUCKING BULLSHIT? IF the webcams are built in, the stolen/missing laptop would likely be closed, and the webcam wouldn't be able to see anything, unless the thief was actually using it. Wouldn't somebody have pointed this out?
Fourth- the kid got in trouble for something AT HOME. I don't know what it was, but the school has no business controlling what goes on at home. Home is the parents' responsibility, and school has no place there. Schools in general are trying to gain more control over students- drug testing, uniforms, zero-tolerance, longer school days- schools are turning into fucking prisons! And now they're sending out laptops with built-in webcams to SPY ON STUDENTS (even if they are trying to "locate missing items") and get them in trouble for shit they do at HOME?! OFF CAMPUS?!
I'm so glad I'm getting the fuck out of high school fascist hell in June.
I think we're all in agreement that it was completely wrong of schools to monitor students at home by remotely turning on webcams, but if you think "I didn't read it," is a valid way to get out of a contract, you're sadly mistaken. There are plenty of people who didn't read the contract and were told by the courts, "It was your responsibility to read the fine print."
I'm not saying that. I'm just saying, very few people read the fine print, and you'd think the ones who do would tell someone. The parents should have looked though, and then challenged the rule BEFORE this sort of thing happened. It's not a valid way, and it's going to be sticky for them in court.
But still, why do schools bother teaching us what the Bill of Rights is if they're going to violate it repeatedly and in as many ways as they can?
Please remember this is ONE school, and that you've had multiple teachers in this thread (myself included) express horror and disapproval that ANY school system would think this appropriate.
Yeah, one school spies on its students with webcams. And yeah, it's definitely horrible. But I'm talkign what other schools have done recently too- in Havelock, NC, you can be suspended for having a cell phone, which is confiscated and turned over to law enforcement. And strip searches in Arizona? This is hardly "one school" anymore.
by Tekania » Fri Feb 26, 2010 10:03 pm
West Floradia wrote:But I'm talkign what other schools have done recently too- in Havelock, NC, you can be suspended for having a cell phone, which is confiscated and turned over to law enforcement.
by Katganistan » Fri Feb 26, 2010 11:41 pm
Pope Joan wrote:I bet they also concealed upskirt cameras in the rest rooms.
by Natapoc » Fri Feb 26, 2010 11:47 pm
Bazatia wrote:
When theyt try to do stuff like shut off my internet, I just bypass them, our school's IT personnel are terrible at their jobs
by Kalibarr » Fri Feb 26, 2010 11:54 pm
North Wiedna wrote:Darkaddia wrote:Neesika wrote:Laerod wrote:Huh?Because the webcam can capture anything happening in the room where the laptop is, district personnel could illicitly observe plenty more than a student's online activity, the lawsuit alleges.
I'm assuming the webcams were integrated into the laptops, so it would be pointing away from the screen. How would they be able to use the webcam itself to monitor the online activity in the first place?
So was the computer monitoring keystrokes, and online usage? Were the webcams controlled remotely? So bizarre. I can't imagine how something like this would even pass the fantasy stage.
My school issued laptop does monitor key strokes... thankfully, it does not have a webcam.
I would not accept a laptop from my school in the first place.
Well... I don't suppose there's a choice. I would just search "puppies" everyday to seem good.
by Saint Jade IV » Sat Feb 27, 2010 12:15 am
Katganistan wrote:Saint Jade IV wrote:Tekania wrote:Ifreann wrote:[the peanut gallery speaks]
"The laptop computers that will be issued to all Lower Merion and Harriton students are the property of Lower Merion School District. Students are responsible for the appropriate use of these laptops both at school and at home. The laptops are for the use of students for educational purposes. All commercial, illegal, unethical and inappropriate use of these laptops is expressly prohibited....
...shall not be used:
...
for gambling or commercial purposes or for any non-school related
purposes;"
[1] The laptop is school property, not personal property...
[2] Students are responsible for their use at home as well as school
[3] Commercial use is prohibited...
[4] non-school related purposes are also prohibited...
Perhaps I should come to your parents store, write my credit card info on a yellow sticky... and plaster it on the front their register, then turn around get a lawyer and sue them for violating my privacy... Because this makes about as much sense as what you're saying... Which is none what-so-ever... The laptop's are not for processing credit cards... they are not for checking facebook... they are not for playing games, they are not for tons of shit... so to claim a right to privacy in a case where you're illegally appropriating equipment (read stealing) is absurd... There is absolutely no expectation of privacy on the property of another...
I figured that there would be some sort of agreement like this in place, since we have the same sort of thing here.
As I said, parents and students often don't read the fine print, and then whinge when there are consequences for inappropriate use. That being said, the whole spying on the families thing was wrong. Who invented a camera that could do that, and who made it available for retail sale?
"Families were not informed of the possibility the webcams might be activated in their homes without their permission in the paperwork students sign when they get the computers, district spokesman Doug Young said."
by Katganistan » Sat Feb 27, 2010 12:23 am
Saint Jade IV wrote:Katganistan wrote:Saint Jade IV wrote:Tekania wrote:Ifreann wrote:[the peanut gallery speaks]
"The laptop computers that will be issued to all Lower Merion and Harriton students are the property of Lower Merion School District. Students are responsible for the appropriate use of these laptops both at school and at home. The laptops are for the use of students for educational purposes. All commercial, illegal, unethical and inappropriate use of these laptops is expressly prohibited....
...shall not be used:
...
for gambling or commercial purposes or for any non-school related
purposes;"
[1] The laptop is school property, not personal property...
[2] Students are responsible for their use at home as well as school
[3] Commercial use is prohibited...
[4] non-school related purposes are also prohibited...
Perhaps I should come to your parents store, write my credit card info on a yellow sticky... and plaster it on the front their register, then turn around get a lawyer and sue them for violating my privacy... Because this makes about as much sense as what you're saying... Which is none what-so-ever... The laptop's are not for processing credit cards... they are not for checking facebook... they are not for playing games, they are not for tons of shit... so to claim a right to privacy in a case where you're illegally appropriating equipment (read stealing) is absurd... There is absolutely no expectation of privacy on the property of another...
I figured that there would be some sort of agreement like this in place, since we have the same sort of thing here.
As I said, parents and students often don't read the fine print, and then whinge when there are consequences for inappropriate use. That being said, the whole spying on the families thing was wrong. Who invented a camera that could do that, and who made it available for retail sale?
"Families were not informed of the possibility the webcams might be activated in their homes without their permission in the paperwork students sign when they get the computers, district spokesman Doug Young said."
I will never again show my ignorance of technology - the need to constantly restate that I was not aware of the technology capabilities to do this is wearing rather thin.
by Katganistan » Sat Feb 27, 2010 12:24 am
Axis Nova wrote:
Open a quote window/tab for each post you wish to reply to, then c/p all the quoted material into a single reply window, and proceed from there. 'S what I usually do.
by Lacadaemon » Sat Feb 27, 2010 12:54 am
Katganistan wrote:I think we're all in agreement that it was completely wrong of schools to monitor students at home by remotely turning on webcams, but if you think "I didn't read it," is a valid way to get out of a contract, you're sadly mistaken. There are plenty of people who didn't read the contract and were told by the courts, "It was your responsibility to read the fine print."
by Saint Jade IV » Sat Feb 27, 2010 1:07 am
Katganistan wrote:Saint Jade IV wrote:Katganistan wrote:Saint Jade IV wrote:Tekania wrote:Ifreann wrote:[the peanut gallery speaks]
"The laptop computers that will be issued to all Lower Merion and Harriton students are the property of Lower Merion School District. Students are responsible for the appropriate use of these laptops both at school and at home. The laptops are for the use of students for educational purposes. All commercial, illegal, unethical and inappropriate use of these laptops is expressly prohibited....
...shall not be used:
...
for gambling or commercial purposes or for any non-school related
purposes;"
[1] The laptop is school property, not personal property...
[2] Students are responsible for their use at home as well as school
[3] Commercial use is prohibited...
[4] non-school related purposes are also prohibited...
Perhaps I should come to your parents store, write my credit card info on a yellow sticky... and plaster it on the front their register, then turn around get a lawyer and sue them for violating my privacy... Because this makes about as much sense as what you're saying... Which is none what-so-ever... The laptop's are not for processing credit cards... they are not for checking facebook... they are not for playing games, they are not for tons of shit... so to claim a right to privacy in a case where you're illegally appropriating equipment (read stealing) is absurd... There is absolutely no expectation of privacy on the property of another...
I figured that there would be some sort of agreement like this in place, since we have the same sort of thing here.
As I said, parents and students often don't read the fine print, and then whinge when there are consequences for inappropriate use. That being said, the whole spying on the families thing was wrong. Who invented a camera that could do that, and who made it available for retail sale?
"Families were not informed of the possibility the webcams might be activated in their homes without their permission in the paperwork students sign when they get the computers, district spokesman Doug Young said."
I will never again show my ignorance of technology - the need to constantly restate that I was not aware of the technology capabilities to do this is wearing rather thin.
You were not aware of the technological capabilities of an agreement that failed to inform parents that their homes might be remotely viewed?
I should think that ink and paper is not that technologically advanced.
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