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Postby Unified Governments » Tue Mar 22, 2016 10:10 am

ISIS claimed responsibility apparently.

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Unified Governments wrote:ISIS claimed responsibility apparently.

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Postby Herargon » Tue Mar 22, 2016 10:11 am

Unified Governments wrote:ISIS claimed responsibility apparently.

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Could I have the source? Thanks in advance.
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Postby Lunalia » Tue Mar 22, 2016 10:11 am

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That's kind of my point though, actually. Britain and France carved up North Africa, Mesopotamia and the Levant. Russia gained territory in the North and Caucasus, and formed States out of the Ottomans' domains in the Balkans. And Greece gained independence and bit by bit forged a kingdom in the Aegean.

Despite Saiwania's claims, European survival had very little to do with the reason why the Ottomans fell and, to a broader extent, why the Age of Colonialism took place. There were economic, imperialist and nationalist ideals which took place, but very little of it had to do with "invading them before they invade us".

Wouldn't it be natural to, once there was security, to reverse the gains the Ottomans had made before they were solidified?

That's kind of like establishing Israel in the Middle East because many many changing hands of the land ago, Jews lived in Israel. These states have been solidified. There's 200 something years of migration based on those international borders established. Changing things now based on borders then would just make things worse. Better to make decisions based on what borders are like now, but that raises the issue of some of these groups are at war and have been pushing each other into and out of territories.
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Postby WikiPlay » Tue Mar 22, 2016 10:11 am

I'm from Belgium. I do ask myself how 3 bombs around their body isn't even detected by airport security???

The glass from the airport was bullet free glass, just to give you a idea.

This is a very good promo for IS, to recruit the syrian refugees that try to reach the UK and remain outlawed by Belgium. A good target for criminals... :twisted:

Europe did fail anyway: with the Empire of Brussels. They even outlawed fertilizers like calcium nitrate "as terrorists are hobby chemists" - according to Europe. Listed: Nitric acid is outlawed, hydrogen peroxide is outlawed,... -> result ??? No hard evidence given by the EU. All these restrictions are bad for the economy as nothing seems legal anymore for the natives.

The result of this european law : multitone scale of so called "hobby chemistry bombs" :lol2: . According to Europe, with Brussels as unilateral Empire.

Europe DID failed.
- airport security check ???
- They banned fertilizers by law (EU) based on "no sources available" = FAIL
- What to do with the illegal Syrian refugees in Belgium. How to solve that problem if the police does nothing ?




This is international and organized crime, politics can do nothing, police and even the army was everywhere - also before this explosion.

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Unified Governments wrote:ISIS claimed responsibility apparently.

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Could I have the source? Thanks in advance.

http://www.businessinsider.com/isis-brussels-attacks-2016-3
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Postby Ganos Lao » Tue Mar 22, 2016 10:12 am

WikiPlay wrote:I'm from Belgium. I do ask myself how 3 bombs around their body isn't even detected by airport security???


Nice work, Belgium! Taking a page out of France's playbook, I see.
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Postby United Marxist Nations » Tue Mar 22, 2016 10:13 am

Lunalia wrote:
United Marxist Nations wrote:Wouldn't it be natural to, once there was security, to reverse the gains the Ottomans had made before they were solidified?

That's kind of like establishing Israel in the Middle East because many many changing hands of the land ago, Jews lived in Israel. These states have been solidified. There's 200 something years of migration based on those international borders established. Changing things now based on borders then would just make things worse. Better to make decisions based on what borders are like now, but that raises the issue of some of these groups are at war and have been pushing each other into and out of territories.

But it wasn't the land changing long-ago, the dominant communities were still there, under the Turkish yoke.
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Postby Alvecia » Tue Mar 22, 2016 10:13 am

WikiPlay wrote:I'm from Belgium. I do ask myself how 3 bombs around their body isn't even detected by airport security???

The glass from the airport was bullet free glass, just to give you a idea.

This is a very good promo for IS, to recruit the syrian refugees that try to reach the UK and remain outlawed by Belgium. A good target for criminals... :twisted:

Europe did fail anyway: with the Empire of Brussels. They even outlawed fertilizers like calcium nitrate "as terrorists are hobby chemists" - according to Europe. Listed: Nitric acid is outlawed, hydrogen peroxide is outlawed,... -> result ??? No hard evidence given by the EU. All these restrictions are bad for the economy as nothing seems legal anymore for the natives.

The result of this european law : multitone scale of so called "hobby chemistry bombs" :lol2: . According to Europe, with Brussels as unilateral Empire.

Europe DID failed.
- airport security check ???
- They banned fertilizers by law (EU) based on "no sources available" = FAIL
- What to do with the illegal Syrian refugees in Belgium. How to solve that problem if the police does nothing ?




This is international and organized crime, politics can do nothing, police and even the army was everywhere - also before this explosion.

This all basically happened in the area before you even get to security.

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Postby Herargon » Tue Mar 22, 2016 10:13 am

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Herargon wrote:
Could I have the source? Thanks in advance.

http://www.businessinsider.com/isis-brussels-attacks-2016-3


Thanks. It's a short article, though, but that can be understood, with the rapid pace of news.
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WikiPlay wrote:I'm from Belgium. I do ask myself how 3 bombs around their body isn't even detected by airport security???


Nice work, Belgium! Taking a page out of France's playbook, I see.

Europe as a whole is failing at every turn. They're literally giving these terrorists a free pass to infiltrate their country.

And people wonder why so many Britons want to leave the EU.
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Postby Imperial Zecticland » Tue Mar 22, 2016 10:14 am

Don't worry our army saved the day. We mutilated the terrorists before they could do more damage.

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Imperial Zecticland wrote:Don't worry our army saved the day. We mutilated the terrorists before they could do more damage.


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So I went out to eat and shit. Apart from Ganos talking sense, Atelia trying to beat up a dead horse, and Kauthar being a... how do I put this lightly... well, a fucked-up dipshit jackass (if there's a reason said horse should stay dead, it'd be Kauthar), and various people making gasping noises -- what did I miss?
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Postby Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States » Tue Mar 22, 2016 10:15 am

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Ganos Lao wrote:
Nice work, Belgium! Taking a page out of France's playbook, I see.

Europe as a whole is failing at every turn. They're literally giving these terrorists a free pass to infiltrate their country.

And people wonder why so many Britons want to leave the EU.

Britain isn't even part of Schengen. How is the EU doing an of this to her signatory states?
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Postby Lunalia » Tue Mar 22, 2016 10:16 am

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Lunalia wrote:That's kind of like establishing Israel in the Middle East because many many changing hands of the land ago, Jews lived in Israel. These states have been solidified. There's 200 something years of migration based on those international borders established. Changing things now based on borders then would just make things worse. Better to make decisions based on what borders are like now, but that raises the issue of some of these groups are at war and have been pushing each other into and out of territories.

But it wasn't the land changing long-ago, the dominant communities were still there, under the Turkish yoke.

It's still 200 years of borders that were defined differently than the original cultural groups' borders after the Ottoman Empire broke up.
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Postby Shaggy Dog Story » Tue Mar 22, 2016 10:18 am

This just of course further muddied very dirty water already. Developed nations are already struggling with the complex issue of how to manage their twin responsibilities of a moral duty to aid in a growing humanitarian crisis along with their ethical obligation to ensure the safety of their existing citizens and residents while acknowledging the extremely thorny issue of the fact that while they make up only the tiniest minority of the Muslim community, radical Islamics are responsible for the bulk of ongoing terrorist activity and would love nothing more than to take advantage of refuge programs to allow their own operatives to sneak in and sew death and destruction.

I have no answer to that. I have no solution to navigate that. Better minds than I have failed. But it's one heck of a spot to be in.

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United Marxist Nations wrote:But it wasn't the land changing long-ago, the dominant communities were still there, under the Turkish yoke.

It's still 200 years of borders that were defined differently than the original cultural groups' borders after the Ottoman Empire broke up.

That's because the groups didn't have borders before. The idea of nationalism (i.e. that sovereignty belongs to people of a similar culture) didn't exist yet when the Ottomans conquered the place. They didn't have the option to not join, so why should it not be considered just when they leave of their own volition?
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Postby North Atlantropa » Tue Mar 22, 2016 10:18 am

Dahon wrote:So I went out to eat and shit. Apart from Ganos talking sense, Atelia trying to beat up a dead horse, and Kauthar being a... how do I put this lightly... well, a fucked-up dipshit jackass (if there's a reason said horse should stay dead, it'd be Kauthar), and various people making gasping noises -- what did I miss?

Nothing apart from what you read in this thread except that th death toll has risen to 30 I believe

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Dahon wrote:So I went out to eat and shit. Apart from Ganos talking sense, Atelia trying to beat up a dead horse, and Kauthar being a... how do I put this lightly... well, a fucked-up dipshit jackass (if there's a reason said horse should stay dead, it'd be Kauthar), and various people making gasping noises -- what did I miss?

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Postby Preussenstan » Tue Mar 22, 2016 10:21 am

Unified Governments wrote:ISIS claimed responsibility apparently.

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So, no true Muslims. Do not forget that Al.Baghdadi is an Israeli actor.

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Postby Unified Governments » Tue Mar 22, 2016 10:22 am

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Unified Governments wrote:Europe as a whole is failing at every turn. They're literally giving these terrorists a free pass to infiltrate their country.

And people wonder why so many Britons want to leave the EU.

Britain isn't even part of Schengen. How is the EU doing an of this to her signatory states?

Complete incompetence in coming up with a plan to deal with the refugee crisis. That's how the Paris attackers slipped in, and I'm willing to bet the masterminds behind this attack came in as well through the same route.
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Preussenstan wrote:
Unified Governments wrote:ISIS claimed responsibility apparently.

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So, no true Muslims. Do not forget that Al.Baghdadi is an Israeli actor.


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Postby Ganos Lao » Tue Mar 22, 2016 10:22 am

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Nice work, Belgium! Taking a page out of France's playbook, I see.

Europe as a whole is failing at every turn. They're literally giving these terrorists a free pass to infiltrate their country.

And people wonder why so many Britons want to leave the EU.


The problem with the current system is that the EU governments generally believe there's nothing wrong with radical Islam, but rather the radical right. They differentiate between the two at the expense of national stability. They are pointlessly playing favorites, and when you try to point this out, you are typecast as a mere Islamophobic nutjob with no case.

The EU nations have only themselves to blame for all this, really. Just is sad the average Joe's gotta bear the brunt of it all as usual, though.



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Postby Luminesa » Tue Mar 22, 2016 10:23 am

Shaggy Dog Story wrote:This just of course further muddied very dirty water already. Developed nations are already struggling with the complex issue of how to manage their twin responsibilities of a moral duty to aid in a growing humanitarian crisis along with their ethical obligation to ensure the safety of their existing citizens and residents while acknowledging the extremely thorny issue of the fact that while they make up only the tiniest minority of the Muslim community, radical Islamics are responsible for the bulk of ongoing terrorist activity and would love nothing more than to take advantage of refuge programs to allow their own operatives to sneak in and sew death and destruction.

I have no answer to that. I have no solution to navigate that. Better minds than I have failed. But it's one heck of a spot to be in.


It is. I certainly wish I had answers, but I don't. This is pure insanity and evil, all of it.

We should pray for the dead, the living, and also the politicians who have to write legislation and discuss this issue. Left, Right, Independent, whatever, they all have to fight with the issue of terrorism everyday, and it's an issue that I can only imagine shreds years off a man's life, from the monumental stresses of juggling those two duties you just mentioned. :(
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