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Postby The balkens » Mon Mar 21, 2016 2:28 pm

Napkiraly wrote:
Mushet wrote:At least it didn't include an Olmec head like that big mural on Crenshaw in South Central.

I've seen that mural in person. I was facepalming so much. Other favourites of Afrocentric "history" include: Beethoven was black, Chinese civilisation was started by black people, and Caesar being black.

I even saw once a claim that Charlemagne was black. I shit you not.


What.

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Postby Napkiraly » Mon Mar 21, 2016 2:30 pm

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Napkiraly wrote:My only concern are the symbols of Ancient Egypt within the mural. While Ancient Egypt had black people within its population it wasn't a "black" civilization. The people in Egypt are the primary descendants of those Egyptians, with the Copts being descended linguistically. Unsurprisingly, of course.


The theme of the competition was “What Makes Me… Me.” So it is entirely possible that the artist has some Egyptian ancestry.

Yeah, considering that in my experiences many black Americans claim Ancient Egypt as theirs, I'm going to weigh things out and most likely the artist falls into that camp. Perfectly possible that she has Egyptian ancestry, that would have to be shown to me as evidence.

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Postby Vassenor » Mon Mar 21, 2016 2:30 pm

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The theme of the competition was “What Makes Me… Me.” So it is entirely possible that the artist has some Egyptian ancestry.

Yeah, considering that in my experiences many black Americans claim Ancient Egypt as theirs, I'm going to weigh things out and most likely the artist falls into that camp. Perfectly possible that she has Egyptian ancestry, that would have to be shown to me as evidence.


So you're just going to make assumptions without evidence and then demand that we prove you wrong. Hm.
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Postby Herargon » Mon Mar 21, 2016 2:31 pm

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Mushet wrote:At least it didn't include an Olmec head like that big mural on Crenshaw in South Central.

I've seen that mural in person. I was facepalming so much. Other favourites of Afrocentric "history" include: Beethoven was black, Chinese civilisation was started by black people, and Caesar being black.

I even saw once a claim that Charlemagne was black. I shit you not.


Just a question. Do you, by any chance, have the mural link, so I could see it?

Also, in fact, Egyptians and Hispanics aren't black. We in Europe usually just refer to the Egyptians as having a Mediterranean / North African look, while the Hispanics - that depends - are either Mediterranean or white. Here, race isn't really an issue.
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Postby Napkiraly » Mon Mar 21, 2016 2:31 pm

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Napkiraly wrote:I've seen that mural in person. I was facepalming so much. Other favourites of Afrocentric "history" include: Beethoven was black, Chinese civilisation was started by black people, and Caesar being black.

I even saw once a claim that Charlemagne was black. I shit you not.


What.

Yep. Charlemagne was whitewashed apparently. Same with Beethoven.

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Postby The balkens » Mon Mar 21, 2016 2:32 pm

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What.

Yep. Charlemagne was whitewashed apparently. Same with Beethoven.


I give up on liberalism.

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Postby Napkiraly » Mon Mar 21, 2016 2:34 pm

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Napkiraly wrote:Yeah, considering that in my experiences many black Americans claim Ancient Egypt as theirs, I'm going to weigh things out and most likely the artist falls into that camp. Perfectly possible that she has Egyptian ancestry, that would have to be shown to me as evidence.


So you're just going to make assumptions without evidence and then demand that we prove you wrong. Hm.

Assumption being made due to likelihood. Yeah, prove that she has Egyptian ancestry. White people have to do it whenever they do something that offends First Nations people and then throw out "I'm part xyz percentage or fraction aboriginal".

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Postby Herargon » Mon Mar 21, 2016 2:36 pm

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Napkiraly wrote:Yep. Charlemagne was whitewashed apparently. Same with Beethoven.


I give up on liberalism.


Depends, there are large differences in liberalism. You have classical liberalism, paleoliberalism (basically same thing, but more conservative), conservative liberalism, liberal conservatism, social liberalism, left liberalism, right liberalism, progressive liberalism, liberal progressivism, national liberalism, liberal nationalism...
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Postby Vassenor » Mon Mar 21, 2016 2:36 pm

Napkiraly wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
So you're just going to make assumptions without evidence and then demand that we prove you wrong. Hm.

Assumption being made due to likelihood. Yeah, prove that she has Egyptian ancestry. White people have to do it whenever they do something that offends First Nations people and then throw out "I'm part xyz percentage or fraction aboriginal".


I said it was a possibility. Not a definite.
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Postby Napkiraly » Mon Mar 21, 2016 2:37 pm

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Napkiraly wrote:Yep. Charlemagne was whitewashed apparently. Same with Beethoven.


I give up on liberalism.

It has nothing to do with liberalism, balk.

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Postby The balkens » Mon Mar 21, 2016 2:37 pm

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I give up on liberalism.


Depends, there are large differences in liberalism. You have classical liberalism, paleoliberalism (basically same thing, but more conservative), conservative liberalism, liberal conservatism, social liberalism, left liberalism, right liberalism, progressive liberalism, liberal progressivism, national liberalism, liberal nationalism...


i think ill take the classical liberalism, anything that places logic at a higher fucking standard.

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Postby Herargon » Mon Mar 21, 2016 2:37 pm

Napkiraly wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
So you're just going to make assumptions without evidence and then demand that we prove you wrong. Hm.

Assumption being made due to likelihood. Yeah, prove that she has Egyptian ancestry. White people have to do it whenever they do something that offends First Nations people and then throw out "I'm part xyz percentage or fraction aboriginal".


To be fair, that's almost exclusively done by people in the Americas.
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Postby The balkens » Mon Mar 21, 2016 2:37 pm

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I give up on liberalism.

It has nothing to do with liberalism, balk.


ah.

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Postby Napkiraly » Mon Mar 21, 2016 2:38 pm

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Napkiraly wrote:Assumption being made due to likelihood. Yeah, prove that she has Egyptian ancestry. White people have to do it whenever they do something that offends First Nations people and then throw out "I'm part xyz percentage or fraction aboriginal".


I said it was a possibility. Not a definite.

Okay, but I'll go with the more likely case.

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Postby Napkiraly » Mon Mar 21, 2016 2:39 pm

Herargon wrote:
Napkiraly wrote:Assumption being made due to likelihood. Yeah, prove that she has Egyptian ancestry. White people have to do it whenever they do something that offends First Nations people and then throw out "I'm part xyz percentage or fraction aboriginal".


To be fair, that's almost exclusively done by people in the Americas.

True, true.

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Postby Vassenor » Mon Mar 21, 2016 2:39 pm

Napkiraly wrote:
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I said it was a possibility. Not a definite.

Okay, but I'll go with the more likely case.


...So I'm wrong because I went for the possibility that a black person isn't a jumped up thief claiming things they have no right to?
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Mon Mar 21, 2016 2:40 pm

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Saiwania wrote:After seeing Google's front page, I suspected that it might be a topic on here and wow- I nailed it. Sure I don't like the anti-White direction Google might be going in, but it is still the best search engine out there. So I can't just stop using their website.


Acknowledging that people who aren't white exists isn't white erasure.


So when do we say things like American society is a white society and such?
Can you point me to any instance of google engaging in white-person centrism?
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Postby Vassenor » Mon Mar 21, 2016 2:42 pm

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Acknowledging that people who aren't white exists isn't white erasure.


So when do we say things like American society is a white society and such?
Can you point me to any instance of google engaging in white-person centrism?


I'm not sure I understand your point here.
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Postby Napkiraly » Mon Mar 21, 2016 2:42 pm

Vassenor wrote:
Napkiraly wrote:Okay, but I'll go with the more likely case.


...So I'm wrong because I went for the possibility that a black person isn't a jumped up thief claiming things they have no right to?

No, but you're most likely wrong. If she turns out to be of Egyptian, and actually I'll go a step further and include Sudanese, ancestry then I'll change my stance.

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Postby Vassenor » Mon Mar 21, 2016 2:43 pm

Napkiraly wrote:
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...So I'm wrong because I went for the possibility that a black person isn't a jumped up thief claiming things they have no right to?

No, but you're most likely wrong. If she turns out to be of Egyptian, and actually I'll go a step further and include Sudanese, ancestry then I'll change my stance.


Again, what makes this the quote-unquote "likely" outcome?
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Mon Mar 21, 2016 2:44 pm

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So when do we say things like American society is a white society and such?
Can you point me to any instance of google engaging in white-person centrism?


I'm not sure I understand your point here.


Is this some kind of statement that America is a White Nation by default or something?

Because that's the only way to make any sense I can see out of this, and I reject that premise. It's like the women ghostbusters shit.

4 friends write a movie and star in it
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An active and deliberate attempt to exclude males from the casting choices.

This is the same type shit. It's racism, pure and simple.

When did google ever actively focus on white people? Or was it just talking about notable people?
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Postby Genivaria » Mon Mar 21, 2016 2:46 pm

omg Google honored black people! Anti-racist is anti-white!
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Postby Mushet » Mon Mar 21, 2016 2:46 pm

Napkiraly wrote:
Mushet wrote:At least it didn't include an Olmec head like that big mural on Crenshaw in South Central.

I've seen that mural in person. I was facepalming so much. Other favourites of Afrocentric "history" include: Beethoven was black, Chinese civilisation was started by black people, and Caesar being black.

I even saw once a claim that Charlemagne was black. I shit you not.

You have? When did you go to Crenshaw? :blink:

I just wish they didn't have so much of that crank influence, aside from the usual problems with people believing things like that it gives ammo to the wrong people.
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Postby Valystria » Mon Mar 21, 2016 2:48 pm

Vassenor wrote:
Saiwania wrote:After seeing Google's front page, I suspected that it might be a topic on here and wow- I nailed it. Sure I don't like the anti-White direction Google might be going in, but it is still the best search engine out there. So I can't just stop using their website.


Acknowledging that people who aren't white exists isn't white erasure.

That isn't what Google is doing.

You're cheering on white erasure and acting as if it's racist to take issue with it.

You're a believer in the Oppressor or Oppressed Dichotomy. You believe black people are oppressed by white people. Your solution is to turn the tables. White erasure. And if anyone opposes this solution of yours, call them a a racist.
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