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Solving the Cyprus Dispute Through... Refugees?

Postby Banija » Fri Mar 11, 2016 11:51 pm

http://www.politico.eu/article/cyprus-t ... -chapters/

The article, essentially, is talking about how today, Cyprus is about to blow up the Turkey/EU refugee deal because of Turkish insistence on EU ascension talks restarting(which will force the EU to ignore several Turkish human rights violations), but Cyprus has continously blocked those until the Cyprus Dispute is solved.

Idk- I just think it would be ironic if the refugee crisis was the catalyst to solve the Cyprus Dispute. The EU is(most deservedly) being played by the Turks on this issue, and if something good were to come out of this refugee crisis, I would not be shocked if it was this(since the EU is botching the actual refugee crisis).
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Postby The Free Rational City of Rapture » Fri Mar 11, 2016 11:53 pm

Cyprus for Cypriots.
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Postby Oasisa » Fri Mar 11, 2016 11:55 pm

Maybe the Turkish side can vote whether they want to stay in Turkey, go independent, or go to Cyprus?

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Postby The Free Rational City of Rapture » Fri Mar 11, 2016 11:59 pm

Oasisa wrote:Maybe the Turkish side can vote whether they want to stay in Turkey, go independent, or go to Cyprus?

“North Cyprus" is an occupied territory of the Turkish Army.
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Postby Crockerland » Sat Mar 12, 2016 12:00 am

We could solve it through expelling the Turkish aggressors instead.
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Postby The Free Rational City of Rapture » Sat Mar 12, 2016 12:01 am

Crockerland wrote:We could solve it through expelling the Turkish aggressors instead.

Same with Constantinople.
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Postby The Free Rational City of Rapture » Sat Mar 12, 2016 12:05 am

Deian salazar wrote:
The Free Rational City of Rapture wrote:Same with Constantinople.

And Kurdistan. Yada yada, point taken, but war with Turkey would be dangerous not because of Turkey, but because of what Putin may do during the conflict as he doesn't need to fight Turkey since we'd be doing it for him.

I can't wait for the day in which Orthodox Christians take back Constantinople.
P.S: I don't care about Kurdistan and all the other stans.
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Postby The Free Rational City of Rapture » Sat Mar 12, 2016 12:08 am

Deian salazar wrote:
The Free Rational City of Rapture wrote:I can't wait for the day in which Orthodox Christians take back Constantinople.

Sure whatever, I'm Christian, but it doesn't matter to me. All it is is Constantine's capital when he ruled Rime and Byzantium. Really nothing special. Compare it to Jerusalem for Jews/Christians/Muslims or Mecca for Muslims, and it's a minor religious mosque compared to them.

We need a new crusade to retake Jerusalem and Constantinople.
P.S: Constantinople is to the Orthodox Church what Rome is to the Catholic Church.
P.P.S: Greater Armenia would be nice.
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Postby Crockerland » Sat Mar 12, 2016 12:16 am

The Free Rational City of Rapture wrote:We need a new crusade to retake Jerusalem and Constantinople.

The crusaders, specifically those involved in the fourth crusade, are directly responsible for the loss of Constantinople to the Ottomans.
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Crockerland wrote:
The Free Rational City of Rapture wrote:We need a new crusade to retake Jerusalem and Constantinople.

The crusaders, specifically those involved in the fourth crusade, are directly responsible for the loss of Constantinople to the Ottomans.

Christians must unite against the threat that Islam poses.
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Postby Jochistan » Sat Mar 12, 2016 12:19 am

Partition is the best way of dealing with this. If you don't like Turks, don't go to the north of the island. You aren't going to kick Cypriot Turks out or kill them. And if they have their own land, who cares.

What happened 500 years ago isn't going to change.
And Greeks dress like Turks, drink the drinks, eat the food, and even look Turkish. They might as well be Turks now after living like that for so long.
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Postby The Free Rational City of Rapture » Sat Mar 12, 2016 12:21 am

Jochistan wrote:Partition is the best way of dealing with this. If you don't like Turks, don't go to the north of the island. You aren't going to kick Cypriot Turks out or kill them. And if they have their own land, who cares.

What happened 500 years ago isn't going to change.
And Greeks dress like Turks, drink the drinks, eat the food, and even look Turkish. They might as well be Turks now after living like that for so long.
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Postby Crockerland » Sat Mar 12, 2016 12:23 am

The Free Rational City of Rapture wrote:
Crockerland wrote:The crusaders, specifically those involved in the fourth crusade, are directly responsible for the loss of Constantinople to the Ottomans.

Christians must unite against the threat that Islam poses.

The crusaders didn't think that was the case, evidently.
Jochistan wrote:Partition is the best way of dealing with this.

No, giving half of the innocent nation's land to the aggressor state will only lead to lasting hatred.
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Postby Jochistan » Sat Mar 12, 2016 12:25 am

The Free Rational City of Rapture wrote:
Jochistan wrote:Partition is the best way of dealing with this. If you don't like Turks, don't go to the north of the island. You aren't going to kick Cypriot Turks out or kill them. And if they have their own land, who cares.

What happened 500 years ago isn't going to change.
And Greeks dress like Turks, drink the drinks, eat the food, and even look Turkish. They might as well be Turks now after living like that for so long.
Ha ha! Peace!

Helenic culture is glorious and admired around the world. Turkish culture is nothing compared to Helenic culture.

Hellenic culture hasn't existed for a long time nor have the original greeks. They're Olive skinned now. And have been so since the fall of hellenism as a political entity.
Before the Ottomans.
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Postby The Free Rational City of Rapture » Sat Mar 12, 2016 12:25 am

Crockerland wrote:
The Free Rational City of Rapture wrote:Christians must unite against the threat that Islam poses.

The crusaders didn't think that was the case, evidently.
Jochistan wrote:Partition is the best way of dealing with this.

No, giving half of the innocent nation's land to the aggressor state will only lead to lasting hatred.

Times have changed. There is a greater enemy than our Christian brothers.
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Postby Jochistan » Sat Mar 12, 2016 12:26 am

Crockerland wrote:[
No, giving half of the innocent nation's land to the aggressor state will only lead to lasting hatred.

the agressors being dead for a couple centuries.

The fucking Taliban had the ideal you did when they killed the Hazara Mongols in Afghanistan.

Tge Ottomans culture and military was superior at the time and crushed the Cypriots. You would have said the same for what the Byzantines did to most of the original Anatolians. Which was far worse.
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Jochistan wrote:
The Free Rational City of Rapture wrote:Helenic culture is glorious and admired around the world. Turkish culture is nothing compared to Helenic culture.

Hellenic culture hasn't existed for a long time nor have the original greeks. They're Olive skinned now. And have been so since the fall of hellenism as a political entity.
Before the Ottomans.

Bullshit. Greece will never be completely destroyed, and neither will the culture of my ancestors.
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The Free Rational City of Rapture wrote:
Crockerland wrote:The crusaders, specifically those involved in the fourth crusade, are directly responsible for the loss of Constantinople to the Ottomans.

Christians must unite against the threat that radical Islam poses.

*correction done*
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The Free Rational City of Rapture wrote:Christians must unite against the threat that radical Islam poses.

*correction done*

Islam has always been radical.
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Postby Crockerland » Sat Mar 12, 2016 12:31 am

Jochistan wrote:
Crockerland wrote:[
No, giving half of the innocent nation's land to the aggressor state will only lead to lasting hatred.

the agressors being dead for a couple centuries.

The fucking Taliban had the ideal you did when they killed the Hazara Mongols in Afghanistan.

The Hazara didn't take over 1/3rd of Afghanistan iirc.
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Jochistan wrote:
Crockerland wrote:[
No, giving half of the innocent nation's land to the aggressor state will only lead to lasting hatred.

the agressors being dead for a couple centuries.

The fucking Taliban had the ideal you did when they killed the Hazara Mongols in Afghanistan.

There is a difference between repelling invaders and ethnic cleansing.
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Postby Saiwania » Sat Mar 12, 2016 12:33 am

Turkey's plan is very obvious to me, they are going to use this refugee crisis as a guise to take over the rest of Cyprus and annex the entire island. They're going to demographically overwhelm the southern portion until it is so Turkish that any Greek control will collapse.
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Postby Korhal IVV » Sat Mar 12, 2016 12:33 am

The Free Rational City of Rapture wrote:
Korhal IVV wrote:*correction done*

Islam has always been radical.

Errr... So you think all Muslims are eager to blow you up? I don't think so :eyebrow:


Besides, its all a misunderstanding stereotype that Muslims love violence. Like here in Mindadano in the Philippines, it is the civilian Muslims who want a peace agreement the most.
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Postby Jochistan » Sat Mar 12, 2016 12:33 am

The Free Rational City of Rapture wrote:
Jochistan wrote:Hellenic culture hasn't existed for a long time nor have the original greeks. They're Olive skinned now. And have been so since the fall of hellenism as a political entity.
Before the Ottomans.

Bullshit. Greece will never be completely destroyed, and neither will the culture of my ancestors.

Doubt you're Greek fam. No matter what vague Indo Aryan connection you think you have with them.

Anyway. The Greeks are a mix of a bunch of Mediterranian, Roma, Slavic and Turkic peoples now. Hardly anything the original Greeks would call Greek lol. Just going by the ethnic nationalist perspective on that there.
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Postby The Free Rational City of Rapture » Sat Mar 12, 2016 12:34 am

Korhal IVV wrote:
The Free Rational City of Rapture wrote:Islam has always been radical.

Errr... So you think all Muslims are eager to blow you up? I don't think so :eyebrow:


Besides, its all a misunderstanding stereotype that Muslims love violence. Like here in Mindadano in the Philippines, it is the civilian Muslims who want a peace agreement the most.

Islam spread through jihad (holy war) and has never stopped. At this point it is Islam vs the world and they've got no one to blame but themselves.
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