Are these still Socialist Nations?

[Tokora]

The countries in question are Russia, China, and Vietnam. Since 1991 I've had no idea if Putin's spending those oil profits on anything other than guns, yachts, and golden toilet paper. China I honestly believe is a terrible excuse for a "Communist" country (Marx, Engels, Lenin, and Trotsky have probably been rolling since the great leap forward, let alone Deng's so called "reforms"). As for Vietnam, I really don't know, but I'd like to think the profits it gained from the capitalization the US enforced on it (because Reagan was both a corporatist yes man and a sore loser) were redistributed to the workers to fight poverty. Quit honestly for I know all three are run by soulless capitalists so please tell me how they're doing.

[Unnamed island state]

None of them are.

[Rutthenia]

Russia doesn't label itself as socialist whatsoever.
China is becoming massively westernised, so I could see that being questioned.
Not too sure about Vietnam, though. It's also being quite westernised lately.

[The Republic of American Freedom]

The countries in question are Russia, China, and Vietnam. Since 1991 I've had no idea if Putin's spending those oil profits on anything other than guns, yachts, and golden toilet paper. China I honestly believe is a terrible excuse for a "Communist" country (Marx, Engels, Lenin, and Trotsky have probably been rolling since the great leap forward, let alone Deng's so called "reforms"). As for Vietnam, I really don't know, but I'd like to think the profits it gained from the capitalization the US enforced on it (because Reagan was both a corporatist yes man and a sore loser) were redistributed to the workers to fight poverty. Quit honestly for I know all three are run by soulless capitalists so please tell me how they're doing.

Your “comrades" betrayed you. The Soviet Union has fallen and so has Socialism.

[The Felnian Colonies]

Every last one of them is a festering fusion of capitalism and the state. I'd imagine that since Russia's on sanctions, China's stock market is enjoying lovely capitalist "corrections" and Vietnam is partly dependent on its' colossal neighbor, none of them are doing better than they were four years ago.

[The Republic of American Freedom]

Russia doesn't label itself as socialist whatsoever.
China is becoming massively westernised, so I could see that being questioned.
Not too sure about Vietnam, though. It's also being quite westernised lately.

Cuba is next.

[The Republic of American Freedom]

Every last one of them is a festering fusion of capitalism and the state. I'd imagine that since Russia's on sanctions, China's stock market is enjoying lovely capitalist "corrections" and Vietnam is partly dependent on its' colossal neighbor, none of them are doing better than they were four years ago.

Russia did take back Crimea and host the Winter Olympics.

[Rutthenia]

Russia doesn't label itself as socialist whatsoever.
China is becoming massively westernised, so I could see that being questioned.
Not too sure about Vietnam, though. It's also being quite westernised lately.

Cuba is next.

I can already see Cuba being massively influenced by the US. I don't really even see the point of labelling it as a socialist country anymore.

[The Republic of American Freedom]

Cuba is next.

I can already see Cuba being massively influenced by the US. I don't really even see the point of labelling it as a socialist country already.

Judging by the Parliamentary Elections, Venezuela will soon fall into our sphere of influence.

[Pandeeria]

Were they ever?

[The Republic of American Freedom]

Were they ever?

During the Cold War they were, but they lost and now they are turning to Capitalism.

[The Felnian Colonies]

Every last one of them is a festering fusion of capitalism and the state. I'd imagine that since Russia's on sanctions, China's stock market is enjoying lovely capitalist "corrections" and Vietnam is partly dependent on its' colossal neighbor, none of them are doing better than they were four years ago.

Russia did take back Crimea and host the Winter Olympics.

That is true. I dunno how Crimea being back under Moscow's control is improving anything but the situation of tourists flying into Yalta from the rest of the Federation, though.

Russia doesn't label itself as socialist whatsoever.
China is becoming massively westernised, so I could see that being questioned.
Not too sure about Vietnam, though. It's also being quite westernised lately.

Cuba is next.

"We are the Capitalist. Lower your tariffs and surrender your economic policies. We will add your cultural and societal distinctiveness to our own. Your people will adapt to service us. Resistance is futile."

[The Republic of American Freedom]

Russia did take back Crimea and host the Winter Olympics.

That is true. I dunno how Crimea being back under Moscow's control is improving anything but the situation of tourists flying into Yalta from the rest of the Federation, though.

Cuba is next.

"We are the Capitalist. Lower your tariffs and surrender your economic policies. We will add your cultural and societal distinctiveness to our own. Your people will adapt to service us. Resistance is futile."

The Soviet Union can testify that that statement is correct.

[Glasgia]

If we define socialism as public ownership of the (majority of the) means of production, then I'm not aware of any socialist nation that remained so beyond their formative years. China certainly hasn't been socialist since Deng's reforms, Russia definitely not since the latter Glasnost reforms and I'd argue that they abandoned socialism with Stalin's assumption of power through sweeping Lenin's proto-democratic economic system under the table.

[The Republic of American Freedom]

If we define socialism as public ownership of the (majority of the) means of production, then I'm not aware of any socialist nation that remained so beyond their formative years. China certainly hasn't been socialist since Deng's reforms, Russia definitely not since the latter Glasnost reforms and I'd argue that they abandoned socialism with Stalin's assumption of power through sweeping Lenin's proto-democratic economic system under the table.

This has never been so appropriate. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman

[Ashyaria]

China is state capitalist. Far from socialist.
Russia is run by the mob, a pretty damn capitalist thing.
Vietnam, ehh, maybe. I haven't researched enough to really say anything to the contrary, but I think it's a stretch.

If there's any socialism in the world, it's in the Nordic Countries, Sweden, Norway, Finland, Denmark. They are all fairly socialist in practice.

[The Republic of American Freedom]

China is state capitalist. Far from socialist.
Russia is run by the mob, a pretty damn capitalist thing.
Vietnam, ehh, maybe. I haven't researched enough to really say anything to the contrary, but I think it's a stretch.

If there's any socialism in the world, it's in the Nordic Countries, Sweden, Norway, Finland, Denmark. They are all fairly socialist in practice.

They won't be for long. They will soon become Islamic caliphates.

[Herargon]

Of all socialist nations since 1917, only North Korea still adheres to the classic definition of such. Cuba also is a good one, although it is a bit more liberal - in the sense that it allows more economical freedom. Yet not as much as Vietnam, which essentially has a mixed economy system.

Herargon

[Rutthenia]

China is state capitalist. Far from socialist.
Russia is run by the mob, a pretty damn capitalist thing.
Vietnam, ehh, maybe. I haven't researched enough to really say anything to the contrary, but I think it's a stretch.

If there's any socialism in the world, it's in the Nordic Countries, Sweden, Norway, Finland, Denmark. They are all fairly socialist in practice.

Russia's run by an oligarchy, not by the mob.

[Glasgia]

If we define socialism as public ownership of the (majority of the) means of production, then I'm not aware of any socialist nation that remained so beyond their formative years. China certainly hasn't been socialist since Deng's reforms, Russia definitely not since the latter Glasnost reforms and I'd argue that they abandoned socialism with Stalin's assumption of power through sweeping Lenin's proto-democratic economic system under the table.

This has never been so appropriate. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman

I've made an assertion and justified my claims through my assertion. No true Scotsman would suggest I altered the assertion specifically to disqualify certain nations - That is clearly not the case.

How would you define socialism?

[Kvatchdom]

China is state capitalist. Far from socialist.
Russia is run by the mob, a pretty damn capitalist thing.
Vietnam, ehh, maybe. I haven't researched enough to really say anything to the contrary, but I think it's a stretch.

If there's any socialism in the world, it's in the Nordic Countries, Sweden, Norway, Finland, Denmark. They are all fairly socialist in practice.

They won't be for long. They will soon become Islamic caliphates.

Non-Europeans talking about our non-existing dark future again.

Also, no, the Nordic countries are not Socialist. All of them are top notch in ease of business and market freedom indexes.

[The Republic of American Freedom]

This has never been so appropriate. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman

I've made an assertion and justified my claims through my assertion. No true Scotsman would suggest I altered the assertion specifically to disqualify certain nations - That is clearly not the case.

How would you define socialism?

Failure.

[Baltenstein]

Russia isn't Socialist under any possible definition, nor does it claim to be.

[Rutthenia]

I've made an assertion and justified my claims through my assertion. No true Scotsman would suggest I altered the assertion specifically to disqualify certain nations - That is clearly not the case.

How would you define socialism?

Failure.

^^^

[The Qeiiam Star Cluster]

China is state capitalist. Far from socialist.
Russia is run by the mob, a pretty damn capitalist thing.
Vietnam, ehh, maybe. I haven't researched enough to really say anything to the contrary, but I think it's a stretch.

If there's any socialism in the world, it's in the Nordic Countries, Sweden, Norway, Finland, Denmark. They are all fairly socialist in practice.

Russia's run by an oligarchy, not by the mob.

There's a difference?