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by Nationes Pii Redivivi » Tue Oct 06, 2015 12:23 pm
by Eroda Saaniah » Tue Oct 06, 2015 12:24 pm
Nationes Pii Redivivi wrote:Eroda Saaniah wrote:If you want lesser of three evils, pick the one that doesn't result in more terrorist organizations, that one being Assad.
No, just a terrorist state. The Assad clan won't be able to hold power for much longer anyways, and we aren't going to have another Shah on our hand.
by Zathganastan » Tue Oct 06, 2015 12:24 pm
Slakonian wrote:Nationes Pii Redivivi wrote:Russia is just using IS as a pretext for bolstering up Assad's regime.
http://www.businessinsider.com/france-just-called-out-russia-over-actually-fighting-isis-2015-9
And who shall we support? The FSA is lost; the game is over for them. Even if we or Assad had given them power in the end we would have another Libya in ours hands thanks to glorious Barack...
by Nationes Pii Redivivi » Tue Oct 06, 2015 12:26 pm
by Slakonian » Tue Oct 06, 2015 12:27 pm
Nationes Pii Redivivi wrote:Slakonian wrote:Ummm, FSA a lesser evil? Why do they allow themselves to be aligned with terrorists such as Al-nusra how are as much as bad as ISIS. The FSA has lsot the war, look at both their numbers and territory. They are being shot mostly by ISIS rather than the government; they also sanctioned the burning and looting of christian and shia houses in the siege of Homs-Kobani etc, sorry but it was a good force on the start but they aren't anymore.
So we should side with a government that clearly has no popular legitimacy?
Turmenista wrote:>USA/Obama drops bombs in Syria for over a year, nobody bats an eye or says a word.
>Russia/Putin drops bombs in Syria for a day and-
WE INTERRUPT THIS SHITPOST TO INFORM YOU THAT VLADIMIR PUTIN AND RUSSIA ARE TRYING TO TAKE OVER THE WORLD!!!
by Occupied Deutschland » Tue Oct 06, 2015 12:27 pm
Nationes Pii Redivivi wrote:Slakonian wrote:Ummm, FSA a lesser evil? Why do they allow themselves to be aligned with terrorists such as Al-nusra how are as much as bad as ISIS. The FSA has lsot the war, look at both their numbers and territory. They are being shot mostly by ISIS rather than the government; they also sanctioned the burning and looting of christian and shia houses in the siege of Homs-Kobani etc, sorry but it was a good force on the start but they aren't anymore.
So we should side with a government that clearly has no popular legitimacy?
by Eroda Saaniah » Tue Oct 06, 2015 12:29 pm
by Slakonian » Tue Oct 06, 2015 12:31 pm
Turmenista wrote:>USA/Obama drops bombs in Syria for over a year, nobody bats an eye or says a word.
>Russia/Putin drops bombs in Syria for a day and-
WE INTERRUPT THIS SHITPOST TO INFORM YOU THAT VLADIMIR PUTIN AND RUSSIA ARE TRYING TO TAKE OVER THE WORLD!!!
by Geilinor » Tue Oct 06, 2015 12:32 pm
Eroda Saaniah wrote:Nationes Pii Redivivi wrote:
A failed dictatorship which has no popular backing and which is likely to remain unpopular, propped up only by a foreign power (Russia), is even worse than those two options.
A dictatorship that has kept the country relatively secular, and has kept the sunnis and shias off of their throats, is a necessary and a good dictatorship. Popularity does not matter right now, stability and peace matters. There is no other way of rebuilding the Middle East.
by Eroda Saaniah » Tue Oct 06, 2015 12:32 pm
Geilinor wrote:Eroda Saaniah wrote:A dictatorship that has kept the country relatively secular, and has kept the sunnis and shias off of their throats, is a necessary and a good dictatorship. Popularity does not matter right now, stability and peace matters. There is no other way of rebuilding the Middle East.
The Sunni and Shia are currently at their throats in a way they haven't been in years.
by Turmenista » Tue Oct 06, 2015 12:33 pm
by Slakonian » Tue Oct 06, 2015 12:33 pm
Occupied Deutschland wrote:Nationes Pii Redivivi wrote:
So we should side with a government that clearly has no popular legitimacy?
This argument of 'support Assad fur da' people!' always amused me a bit (even as someone who doesn't want the US involved with the Syrian civil war as much as it is currently), because it tends to come from the folks most prone to condemn America's past and present support of government's without a lot of legitimacy merely because they were stable or safer than the alternative.
Like, make up your mind folks. No having cake and eating it too.
Turmenista wrote:>USA/Obama drops bombs in Syria for over a year, nobody bats an eye or says a word.
>Russia/Putin drops bombs in Syria for a day and-
WE INTERRUPT THIS SHITPOST TO INFORM YOU THAT VLADIMIR PUTIN AND RUSSIA ARE TRYING TO TAKE OVER THE WORLD!!!
by Slakonian » Tue Oct 06, 2015 12:35 pm
Turmenista wrote:>USA/Obama drops bombs in Syria for over a year, nobody bats an eye or says a word.
>Russia/Putin drops bombs in Syria for a day and-
WE INTERRUPT THIS SHITPOST TO INFORM YOU THAT VLADIMIR PUTIN AND RUSSIA ARE TRYING TO TAKE OVER THE WORLD!!!
Turmenista wrote:>USA/Obama drops bombs in Syria for over a year, nobody bats an eye or says a word.
>Russia/Putin drops bombs in Syria for a day and-
WE INTERRUPT THIS SHITPOST TO INFORM YOU THAT VLADIMIR PUTIN AND RUSSIA ARE TRYING TO TAKE OVER THE WORLD!!!
by Zathganastan » Tue Oct 06, 2015 12:37 pm
Turmenista wrote:>USA/Obama drops bombs in Syria for over a year, nobody bats an eye or says a word.
>Russia/Putin drops bombs in Syria for a day and-
WE INTERRUPT THIS SHITPOST TO INFORM YOU THAT VLADIMIR PUTIN AND RUSSIA ARE TRYING TO TAKE OVER THE WORLD!!!
by The Qeiiam Star Cluster » Tue Oct 06, 2015 12:37 pm
by Occupied Deutschland » Tue Oct 06, 2015 12:38 pm
Slakonian wrote:Nationes Pii Redivivi wrote:
A failed dictatorship which has no popular backing and which is likely to remain unpopular, propped up only by a foreign power (Russia), is even worse than those two options.
May I remind you that thanks to the USA they supported the Taliban to fight against the SU and it was the same Taliban the US military had been fighting(until last year as the force has been transitioned into a peacekeeping one) for a decade. Do we want this to happen all over again? Thanks to the Iraqis military incompetence(which the US army trained, funded and supplied) they have now lot's of modern tanks, aircraft and other dangerous weaponry.
ISIS are not the Taliban, they are a state with a military arm as well. A soon they finish with Syria and Iraq they try to move either to Iran or Turkey. If they go to Turkey I can assure the greek army will run away as soon as they are near the border....
by Slakonian » Tue Oct 06, 2015 12:38 pm
Zathganastan wrote:Turmenista wrote:>USA/Obama drops bombs in Syria for over a year, nobody bats an eye or says a word.
>Russia/Putin drops bombs in Syria for a day and-
WE INTERRUPT THIS SHITPOST TO INFORM YOU THAT VLADIMIR PUTIN AND RUSSIA ARE TRYING TO TAKE OVER THE WORLD!!!
Because instead of focusing on ISIS like they claimed they would Russia has been attacking other opposition groups to help prop up Assad's regime.
Turmenista wrote:>USA/Obama drops bombs in Syria for over a year, nobody bats an eye or says a word.
>Russia/Putin drops bombs in Syria for a day and-
WE INTERRUPT THIS SHITPOST TO INFORM YOU THAT VLADIMIR PUTIN AND RUSSIA ARE TRYING TO TAKE OVER THE WORLD!!!
by Eroda Saaniah » Tue Oct 06, 2015 12:39 pm
by San Verucia » Tue Oct 06, 2015 12:40 pm
by Slakonian » Tue Oct 06, 2015 12:41 pm
Occupied Deutschland wrote:Slakonian wrote:May I remind you that thanks to the USA they supported the Taliban to fight against the SU and it was the same Taliban the US military had been fighting(until last year as the force has been transitioned into a peacekeeping one) for a decade. Do we want this to happen all over again? Thanks to the Iraqis military incompetence(which the US army trained, funded and supplied) they have now lot's of modern tanks, aircraft and other dangerous weaponry.
ISIS are not the Taliban, they are a state with a military arm as well. A soon they finish with Syria and Iraq they try to move either to Iran or Turkey. If they go to Turkey I can assure the greek army will run away as soon as they are near the border....
So much of this makes little sense, but that last line is like a cherry on top.
Like, did Greece conquer Turkey while I wasn't looking? Did they just get fed up with the whole Cypriot mess and roll their Hellenistic war machine across the Bosphorus strait and rename Istanbul to Constantinople again?
Turmenista wrote:>USA/Obama drops bombs in Syria for over a year, nobody bats an eye or says a word.
>Russia/Putin drops bombs in Syria for a day and-
WE INTERRUPT THIS SHITPOST TO INFORM YOU THAT VLADIMIR PUTIN AND RUSSIA ARE TRYING TO TAKE OVER THE WORLD!!!
by The Qeiiam Star Cluster » Tue Oct 06, 2015 12:42 pm
by Nationes Pii Redivivi » Tue Oct 06, 2015 12:43 pm
Eroda Saaniah wrote:Nationes Pii Redivivi wrote:
A failed dictatorship which has no popular backing and which is likely to remain unpopular, propped up only by a foreign power (Russia), is even worse than those two options.
A dictatorship that has kept the country relatively secular, and has kept the sunnis and shias off of their throats, is a necessary and a good dictatorship. Popularity does not matter right now, stability and peace matters. There is no other way of rebuilding the Middle East.
by Slakonian » Tue Oct 06, 2015 12:44 pm
Turmenista wrote:>USA/Obama drops bombs in Syria for over a year, nobody bats an eye or says a word.
>Russia/Putin drops bombs in Syria for a day and-
WE INTERRUPT THIS SHITPOST TO INFORM YOU THAT VLADIMIR PUTIN AND RUSSIA ARE TRYING TO TAKE OVER THE WORLD!!!
by Eroda Saaniah » Tue Oct 06, 2015 12:44 pm
by Slakonian » Tue Oct 06, 2015 12:44 pm
Nationes Pii Redivivi wrote:Eroda Saaniah wrote:A dictatorship that has kept the country relatively secular, and has kept the sunnis and shias off of their throats, is a necessary and a good dictatorship. Popularity does not matter right now, stability and peace matters. There is no other way of rebuilding the Middle East.
All nations require some degree of popular legitimacy, and right now, Assad has none. It isn't going to be peaceful or stable, we support Assad, he's still getting toppled. The people don't want a Russian Shah.
Turmenista wrote:>USA/Obama drops bombs in Syria for over a year, nobody bats an eye or says a word.
>Russia/Putin drops bombs in Syria for a day and-
WE INTERRUPT THIS SHITPOST TO INFORM YOU THAT VLADIMIR PUTIN AND RUSSIA ARE TRYING TO TAKE OVER THE WORLD!!!
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