Russian airstrikes in Syria

[Nationes Pii Redivivi]

If you want lesser of three evils, pick the one that doesn't result in more terrorist organizations, that one being Assad.

This^

...is nonsense.

[Eroda Saaniah]

If you want lesser of three evils, pick the one that doesn't result in more terrorist organizations, that one being Assad.

No, just a terrorist state. The Assad clan won't be able to hold power for much longer anyways, and we aren't going to have another Shah on our hand.

A stable state is better than a failed democratic state.

[Zathganastan]

Russia is just using IS as a pretext for bolstering up Assad's regime.

http://www.businessinsider.com/france-just-called-out-russia-over-actually-fighting-isis-2015-9

And who shall we support? The FSA is lost; the game is over for them. Even if we or Assad had given them power in the end we would have another Libya in ours hands thanks to glorious Barack...

It's going to be another Libya regardless on whither Assad wins or not. With large amounts of the country likely to remain in the hands of ISIL and other insurgent groups for some time to come.

[Nationes Pii Redivivi]

No, just a terrorist state. The Assad clan won't be able to hold power for much longer anyways, and we aren't going to have another Shah on our hand.

A stable state is better than a failed democratic state.

A failed dictatorship which has no popular backing and which is likely to remain unpopular, propped up only by a foreign power (Russia), is even worse than those two options.

[Slakonian]

Ummm, FSA a lesser evil? Why do they allow themselves to be aligned with terrorists such as Al-nusra how are as much as bad as ISIS. The FSA has lsot the war, look at both their numbers and territory. They are being shot mostly by ISIS rather than the government; they also sanctioned the burning and looting of christian and shia houses in the siege of Homs-Kobani etc, sorry but it was a good force on the start but they aren't anymore.

So we should side with a government that clearly has no popular legitimacy?

And then why are people that still fighting for this regime? Christians & Shia muslims fight for him due their fate is sealed with this "regime" due all the others want to have them ousted in whatever term you want to use.

[Occupied Deutschland]

Ummm, FSA a lesser evil? Why do they allow themselves to be aligned with terrorists such as Al-nusra how are as much as bad as ISIS. The FSA has lsot the war, look at both their numbers and territory. They are being shot mostly by ISIS rather than the government; they also sanctioned the burning and looting of christian and shia houses in the siege of Homs-Kobani etc, sorry but it was a good force on the start but they aren't anymore.

So we should side with a government that clearly has no popular legitimacy?

This argument of 'support Assad fur da' people!' always amused me a bit (even as someone who doesn't want the US involved with the Syrian civil war as much as it is currently), because it tends to come from the folks most prone to condemn America's past and present support of government's without a lot of legitimacy merely because they were stable or safer than the alternative.

Like, make up your mind folks. No having cake and eating it too.

[Eroda Saaniah]

A stable state is better than a failed democratic state.

A failed dictatorship which has no popular backing and which is likely to remain unpopular, propped up only by a foreign power (Russia), is even worse than those two options.

A dictatorship that has kept the country relatively secular, and has kept the sunnis and shias off of their throats, is a necessary and a good dictatorship. Popularity does not matter right now, stability and peace matters. There is no other way of rebuilding the Middle East.

[Slakonian]

A stable state is better than a failed democratic state.

A failed dictatorship which has no popular backing and which is likely to remain unpopular, propped up only by a foreign power (Russia), is even worse than those two options.

May I remind you that thanks to the USA they supported the Taliban to fight against the SU and it was the same Taliban the US military had been fighting(until last year as the force has been transitioned into a peacekeeping one) for a decade. Do we want this to happen all over again? Thanks to the Iraqis military incompetence(which the US army trained, funded and supplied) they have now lot's of modern tanks, aircraft and other dangerous weaponry.

ISIS are not the Taliban, they are a state with a military arm as well. A soon they finish with Syria and Iraq they try to move either to Iran or Turkey. If they go to Turkey I can assure the greek army will run away as soon as they are near the border....

[Geilinor]

A failed dictatorship which has no popular backing and which is likely to remain unpopular, propped up only by a foreign power (Russia), is even worse than those two options.

A dictatorship that has kept the country relatively secular, and has kept the sunnis and shias off of their throats, is a necessary and a good dictatorship. Popularity does not matter right now, stability and peace matters. There is no other way of rebuilding the Middle East.

The Sunni and Shia are currently at their throats in a way they haven't been in years.

[Eroda Saaniah]

A dictatorship that has kept the country relatively secular, and has kept the sunnis and shias off of their throats, is a necessary and a good dictatorship. Popularity does not matter right now, stability and peace matters. There is no other way of rebuilding the Middle East.

The Sunni and Shia are currently at their throats in a way they haven't been in years.

Thanks to the rise of ISIS and other terror groups, including FSA.

[Turmenista]

>USA/Obama drops bombs in Syria for over a year, nobody bats an eye or says a word.

>Russia/Putin drops bombs in Syria for a day and-

WE INTERRUPT THIS SHITPOST TO INFORM YOU THAT VLADIMIR PUTIN AND RUSSIA ARE TRYING TO TAKE OVER THE WORLD!!!

[Slakonian]

So we should side with a government that clearly has no popular legitimacy?

This argument of 'support Assad fur da' people!' always amused me a bit (even as someone who doesn't want the US involved with the Syrian civil war as much as it is currently), because it tends to come from the folks most prone to condemn America's past and present support of government's without a lot of legitimacy merely because they were stable or safer than the alternative.

Like, make up your mind folks. No having cake and eating it too.

Nice mate but what would be you suggestion then? These are our options: In the beginning of the war mahy people supported the FSA and it's agenda but now... I don't know due I was one of these people changed their minds

[Slakonian]

>USA/Obama drops bombs in Syria for over a year, nobody bats an eye or says a word.

>Russia/Putin drops bombs in Syria for a day and-

WE INTERRUPT THIS SHITPOST TO INFORM YOU THAT VLADIMIR PUTIN AND RUSSIA ARE TRYING TO TAKE OVER THE WORLD!!!

LoL so true. So true. And we claim that the west if "free of propaganda", what a load of crap.

[Zathganastan]

>USA/Obama drops bombs in Syria for over a year, nobody bats an eye or says a word.

>Russia/Putin drops bombs in Syria for a day and-

WE INTERRUPT THIS SHITPOST TO INFORM YOU THAT VLADIMIR PUTIN AND RUSSIA ARE TRYING TO TAKE OVER THE WORLD!!!

Because instead of focusing on ISIS like they claimed they would Russia has been attacking other opposition groups to help prop up Assad's regime.

[The Qeiiam Star Cluster]

No, just a terrorist state. The Assad clan won't be able to hold power for much longer anyways, and we aren't going to have another Shah on our hand.

A stable state is better than a failed democratic state.

So far Assad hasn't shown any competence in keeping Syria stable...

[Occupied Deutschland]

A failed dictatorship which has no popular backing and which is likely to remain unpopular, propped up only by a foreign power (Russia), is even worse than those two options.

May I remind you that thanks to the USA they supported the Taliban to fight against the SU and it was the same Taliban the US military had been fighting(until last year as the force has been transitioned into a peacekeeping one) for a decade. Do we want this to happen all over again? Thanks to the Iraqis military incompetence(which the US army trained, funded and supplied) they have now lot's of modern tanks, aircraft and other dangerous weaponry.

ISIS are not the Taliban, they are a state with a military arm as well. A soon they finish with Syria and Iraq they try to move either to Iran or Turkey. If they go to Turkey I can assure the greek army will run away as soon as they are near the border....

So much of this makes little sense, but that last line is like a cherry on top.
Like, did Greece conquer Turkey while I wasn't looking? Did they just get fed up with the whole Cypriot mess and roll their Hellenistic war machine across the Bosphorus strait and rename Istanbul to Constantinople again?

[Slakonian]

>USA/Obama drops bombs in Syria for over a year, nobody bats an eye or says a word.

>Russia/Putin drops bombs in Syria for a day and-

WE INTERRUPT THIS SHITPOST TO INFORM YOU THAT VLADIMIR PUTIN AND RUSSIA ARE TRYING TO TAKE OVER THE WORLD!!!

Because instead of focusing on ISIS like they claimed they would Russia has been attacking other opposition groups to help prop up Assad's regime.

Definately gonna sig this

[Eroda Saaniah]

A stable state is better than a failed democratic state.

So far Assad hasn't shown any competence in keeping Syria stable...

And the FSA even less. Assad is not a good leader, but what he aims for is correct.

[San Verucia]

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[Slakonian]

May I remind you that thanks to the USA they supported the Taliban to fight against the SU and it was the same Taliban the US military had been fighting(until last year as the force has been transitioned into a peacekeeping one) for a decade. Do we want this to happen all over again? Thanks to the Iraqis military incompetence(which the US army trained, funded and supplied) they have now lot's of modern tanks, aircraft and other dangerous weaponry.

ISIS are not the Taliban, they are a state with a military arm as well. A soon they finish with Syria and Iraq they try to move either to Iran or Turkey. If they go to Turkey I can assure the greek army will run away as soon as they are near the border....

So much of this makes little sense, but that last line is like a cherry on top.
Like, did Greece conquer Turkey while I wasn't looking? Did they just get fed up with the whole Cypriot mess and roll their Hellenistic war machine across the Bosphorus strait and rename Istanbul to Constantinople again?

Lol, sorry I wanted to say, that in case ISIS approaches the greek border. The Greek Army will such balls at fighting them; I say this due I served as a concript and saying the reality that the greek army will retreat in mass...

[The Qeiiam Star Cluster]

So far Assad hasn't shown any competence in keeping Syria stable...

And the FSA even less. Assad is not a good leader, but what he aims for is correct.

Killing everyone who opposes his Glorious Benevolent Rule is correct? Man, you have a weird definition of what's "correct". I suggest you buy a dictionary.

[Nationes Pii Redivivi]

A failed dictatorship which has no popular backing and which is likely to remain unpopular, propped up only by a foreign power (Russia), is even worse than those two options.

A dictatorship that has kept the country relatively secular, and has kept the sunnis and shias off of their throats, is a necessary and a good dictatorship. Popularity does not matter right now, stability and peace matters. There is no other way of rebuilding the Middle East.

All nations require some degree of popular legitimacy, and right now, Assad has none. It isn't going to be peaceful or stable, we support Assad, he's still getting toppled. The people don't want a Russian Shah.

[Slakonian]

And the FSA even less. Assad is not a good leader, but what he aims for is correct.

Killing everyone who opposes his Glorious Benevolent Rule is correct? Man, you have a weird definition of what's "correct". I suggest you buy a dictionary.

Either you are right or his english ain't good due he ain't a native speaker like me lol

[Eroda Saaniah]

And the FSA even less. Assad is not a good leader, but what he aims for is correct.

Killing everyone who opposes his Glorious Benevolent Rule is correct? Man, you have a weird definition of what's "correct". I suggest you buy a dictionary.

Assad isn't "killing everyone". Syria has had democratic elections, and the opposition got angry and started to rebel. That's how it started.

[Slakonian]

A dictatorship that has kept the country relatively secular, and has kept the sunnis and shias off of their throats, is a necessary and a good dictatorship. Popularity does not matter right now, stability and peace matters. There is no other way of rebuilding the Middle East.

All nations require some degree of popular legitimacy, and right now, Assad has none. It isn't going to be peaceful or stable, we support Assad, he's still getting toppled. The people don't want a Russian Shah.

If assad falls then you better be ready for another holocaus but this time on Syrian christians and shias...