Russian airstrikes in Syria

[Chossudovsky]

How does Putin not promote civil rights in Russia?

By passing laws restrictive laws that are way too broad.

Source?

[The balkens]

How does he?

By protecting the rights of Russians in Crimea.
By bringing a resolution to the wars in the Caucasus.
By introducing democratic elections.
By restoring basic state provisions like education, healthcare and pensions that were threatened in the chaos of the 90s
By safeguarding Russian culture

How does he not promote civil rights?

100% of votes? IN Chechnya?

Didnt know Putin was that good at ballet stuffing.

[Shofercia]

You're the one who brought her in this, not me. Personally, I don't think that you should be getting revenge on the elderly, unless they were involved or abetted crimes such as rape and/or murder.

Good thing i never factored you in on what i stand for and against.

If i did, id say "Edgy white teenagers" in my sig.

Sadly, I'm no longer a teen. I'd love to be one again though!

By passing laws restrictive laws that are way too broad.

Source?

Not the thread for it.

[Vistulange]

How does he?

By protecting the rights of Russians in Crimea.
By bringing a resolution to the wars in the Caucasus.
By introducing democratic elections.
By restoring basic state provisions like education, healthcare and pensions that were threatened in the chaos of the 90s
By safeguarding Russian culture

How does he not promote civil rights?

Only one of those are "civil rights", and that one is debated today - the part about Crimea. The rest are not under the tent of civil rights.

So no, I haven't seen any proper proof that he's defended human rights in Russia, but that's not the point of this thread.

[The balkens]

Good thing i never factored you in on what i stand for and against.

If i did, id say "Edgy white teenagers" in my sig.

Sadly, I'm no longer a teen. I'd love to be one again though!

Couldve fooled the fuck out of me.

[Geilinor]

Sadly, I'm no longer a teen. I'd love to be one again though!

Couldve fooled the fuck out of me.

At this point I will.

Crimea River! You're upset that Shof honestly beat you in that debate.

[Chossudovsky]

Source?

Not the thread for it.

Quite right, this is a thread for actual issues, not imaginary "restrictive laws" that you've heard about on Fox or CNN.

[The balkens]

Couldve fooled the fuck out of me.

At this point I will.

Crimea River! You're upset that Shof honestly beat you in that debate.

Not that it mattered to me in the first place.

[Shofercia]

By protecting the rights of Russians in Crimea.
By bringing a resolution to the wars in the Caucasus.
By introducing democratic elections.
By restoring basic state provisions like education, healthcare and pensions that were threatened in the chaos of the 90s
By safeguarding Russian culture

How does he not promote civil rights?

100% of votes? IN Chechnya?

Didnt know Putin was that good at ballet stuffing.

Neither did I, heck, I didn't even know that Putin danced ballet! But if you want to speak about democratic referendums, why not hold one, six months from now, in Crimea, on either joining Russia, becoming independent, or joining Ukraine. All UN members must recognize the result

But we both know you don't want that to happen. You're in this for revenge.

[Chossudovsky]

By protecting the rights of Russians in Crimea.
By bringing a resolution to the wars in the Caucasus.
By introducing democratic elections.
By restoring basic state provisions like education, healthcare and pensions that were threatened in the chaos of the 90s
By safeguarding Russian culture

How does he not promote civil rights?

Only one of those are "civil rights", and that one is debated today - the part about Crimea. The rest are not under the tent of civil rights.

So no, I haven't seen any proper proof that he's defended human rights in Russia, but that's not the point of this thread.

Debated by who? Do you somehow doubt that the Russian government is going to protect the rights of Russians in Crimea?

I'd say that bringing about peace, democracy and a stable government are very important if people are to avoid discrimination and repression, which is a pretty fundamental part of civil rights.

How does he not promote civil rights?

[Vistulange]

Only one of those are "civil rights", and that one is debated today - the part about Crimea. The rest are not under the tent of civil rights.

So no, I haven't seen any proper proof that he's defended human rights in Russia, but that's not the point of this thread.

Debated by who? Do you somehow doubt that the Russian government is going to protect the rights of Russians in Crimea?

I'd say that bringing about peace, democracy and a stable government are very important if people are to avoid discrimination and repression, which is a pretty fundamental part of civil rights.

How does he not promote civil rights?

Irrelevant to them gorram thread.

Geez, can we get past this?

[The balkens]

100% of votes? IN Chechnya?

Didnt know Putin was that good at ballet stuffing.

Neither did I, heck, I didn't even know that Putin danced ballet! But if you want to speak about democratic referendums, why not hold one, six months from now, in Crimea, on either joining Russia, becoming independent, or joining Ukraine. All UN members must recognize the result

But we both know you don't want that to happen. You're in this for revenge.

Now that i think of it.

I already got my revenge, the soviet union rotted from the inside out and left Russia in a weakened state.
and it still is, desperate to hold influence and annexing territory of weaker former soviet nations, depriving LBGT Russians civil liberties....

Thank you shof, for showing me i longer need revenge. I already got it.

[Chossudovsky]

Debated by who? Do you somehow doubt that the Russian government is going to protect the rights of Russians in Crimea?

I'd say that bringing about peace, democracy and a stable government are very important if people are to avoid discrimination and repression, which is a pretty fundamental part of civil rights.

How does he not promote civil rights?

Irrelevant to them gorram thread.

Geez, can we get past this?

Is this the standard response around here when someone gets called out on their nonsense? That's the second time I've heard that today.

[Vistulange]

Irrelevant to them gorram thread.

Geez, can we get past this?

Is this the standard response around here when someone gets called out on their nonsense? That's the second time I've heard that today.

No, it's the standard response when the topic being discussed literally has nothing to do with the damned title on top of the thread, near the top of the page. You hearing this a second time should be telling you something.

[Shofercia]

Not the thread for it.

Quite right, this is a thread for actual issues, not imaginary "restrictive laws" that you've heard about on Fox or CNN.

Those are actual issues. However, this is the thread for Russia's actions in Syria/the Middle East.

And the thing is, you won't win a debate on Putin and Civil Rights here, because although he have bandwagoners, whom you'll probably defeat, we also have genuine Civil Rights supporters, like Geilinor and Risotia, who know their stuff inside and out, and would cream you.

By protecting the rights of Russians in Crimea.
By bringing a resolution to the wars in the Caucasus.
By introducing democratic elections.
By restoring basic state provisions like education, healthcare and pensions that were threatened in the chaos of the 90s
By safeguarding Russian culture

How does he not promote civil rights?

Only one of those are "civil rights", and that one is debated today - the part about Crimea. The rest are not under the tent of civil rights.

So no, I haven't seen any proper proof that he's defended human rights in Russia, but that's not the point of this thread.

Did you say Human Rights? He defended Social Rights by increasing pensions, promoting housing for all laws, etc. Social Rights are Human Rights

Couldve fooled the fuck out of me.

At this point I will.

Crimea River! You're upset that Shof honestly beat you in that debate.

Thank you

At this point I will.

Crimea River! You're upset that Shof honestly beat you in that debate.

Not that it mattered to me in the first place.

"It doesn't matter to me! I'm posting here to let you all know that it doesn't matter to me! Got it?"

Neither did I, heck, I didn't even know that Putin danced ballet! But if you want to speak about democratic referendums, why not hold one, six months from now, in Crimea, on either joining Russia, becoming independent, or joining Ukraine. All UN members must recognize the result

But we both know you don't want that to happen. You're in this for revenge.

Now that i think of it.

I already got my revenge, the soviet union rotted from the inside out and left Russia in a weakened state.
and it still is, desperate to hold influence and annexing territory of weaker former soviet nations, depriving LBGT Russians civil liberties....

Thank you shof, for showing me i longer need revenge. I already got it.

And here I thought that it didn't matter to you. Well, if you already got your revenge, I'm sure that you won't want to get it again, right? As for Russia being desperate to hold influence, ehh, have you seen the Shanghai Cooperation Organization? Or is that also an act of desperation?

[Occupied Deutschland]

Irrelevant to them gorram thread.

Geez, can we get past this?

Is this the standard response around here when someone gets called out on their nonsense? That's the second time I've heard that today.

It's obviously Russophobia.
There is a vast, intercontinental and cross-cultural conspiracy to paint Glorious Russian Federation in a negative light, be it in regards to their interventions in sovereign countries or the country's illegalization of parades with pink boas featured prominently.
Only YOU can put a stop to these nefarious machinations!

[The balkens]

Christ, just look how far its going to hold the Middle east.

The Eurasian union and whatever Russia is doing will never compare to NATO, the EU or any other Organization that the west has.

[Chossudovsky]

Is this the standard response around here when someone gets called out on their nonsense? That's the second time I've heard that today.

No, it's the standard response when the topic being discussed literally has nothing to do with the damned title on top of the thread, near the top of the page. You hearing this a second time should be telling you something.

Which didn't stop you attempting to debate the point. You only switched to "its irrelevant" when you realized you couldn't actually answer my question after I answered yours.

Quite right, this is a thread for actual issues, not imaginary "restrictive laws" that you've heard about on Fox or CNN.

Those are actual issues. However, this is the thread for Russia's actions in Syria/the Middle East.

And the thing is, you won't win a debate on Putin and Civil Rights here, because although he have bandwagoners, whom you'll probably defeat, we also have genuine Civil Rights supporters, like Geilinor and Risotia, who know their stuff inside and out, and would cream you.

You made the claim in this thread, its not my fault you can't back it up. And the funny thing about the truth is, no matter how mch those civil rights supporters know, if they are arguing against the facts like you started to attempt then backed out of then it won't help them.

[Shofercia]

Irrelevant to them gorram thread.

Geez, can we get past this?

Is this the standard response around here when someone gets called out on their nonsense? That's the second time I've heard that today.

Since you're being so damn annoying, roughly 90% of the cases that the ECHR decides against Russia show exactly where Russia needs improvement in the area of Civil Rights. And for the record, I only supported Russia leaving the ECHR after Russia's CoE membership was threatened. If the CoE was to pass a law stating that no members can be suspended without unanimous consent of all other members, I'd favor Russia returning under the wing of the ECHR.

[Shofercia]

Christ, just look how far its going to hold the Middle east.

The Eurasian union and whatever Russia is doing will never compare to NATO, the EU or any other Organization that the west has.

GDP of the EU/US: $36 trillion
GDP of the SCO: $32 trillion

Numbers according to the World Bank, with the purchasing power parity ratio factored in. Oh, you meant the Eurasian Union, the organization that in its infancy. Yes, organizations that haven't had time to develop are generally outperformed by those that had time to develop.

[The balkens]

Christ, just look how far its going to hold the Middle east.

The Eurasian union and whatever Russia is doing will never compare to NATO, the EU or any other Organization that the west has.

GDP of the EU/US: $36 trillion
GDP of the SCO: $32 trillion

Numbers according to the World Bank, with the purchasing power parity ratio factored in. Oh, you meant the Eurasian Union, the organization that in its infancy. Yes, organizations that haven't had time to develop are generally outperformed by those that had time to develop.

What else is the Eurasian union going to do? Have more Poor nations in it?

The EU has some of the richest nations on earth, what can Russia and its gang of the Former USSR possibly do?

[Vistulange]

GDP of the EU/US: $36 trillion
GDP of the SCO: $32 trillion

Numbers according to the World Bank, with the purchasing power parity ratio factored in. Oh, you meant the Eurasian Union, the organization that in its infancy. Yes, organizations that haven't had time to develop are generally outperformed by those that had time to develop.

What else is the Eurasian union going to do? Have more Poor nations in it?

The EU has some of the richest nations on earth, what can Russia and its gang of the Former USSR possibly do?

Have you got any real arguments, or are you just trying to piss further? Define "poor", please?

[Chossudovsky]

Is this the standard response around here when someone gets called out on their nonsense? That's the second time I've heard that today.

Since you're being so damn annoying, roughly 90% of the cases that the ECHR decides against Russia show exactly where Russia needs improvement in the area of Civil Rights. And for the record, I only supported Russia leaving the ECHR after Russia's CoE membership was threatened. If the CoE was to pass a law stating that no members can be suspended without unanimous consent of all other members, I'd favor Russia returning under the wing of the ECHR.

Oh, please. It should be no surprise that it was only under Yeltsin that Russia signed up to an organisation like the ECHR. Belarus had the right idea in staying out. The fact that the court has had nothing to do with the shit that's happening all the time in Ukraine should be proof enough that it has no legitimacy when it comes to ensuring civil rights in its member states.

[Neu Leonstein]

GDP of the EU/US: $36 trillion
GDP of the SCO: $32 trillion

I wouldn't necessarily quote numbers like that as evidence of Russia's importance... it rather invites the question of how the GDP is distributed within the SCO.

[The balkens]

GDP of the EU/US: $36 trillion
GDP of the SCO: $32 trillion

I wouldn't necessarily quote numbers like that as evidence of Russia's importance... it rather invites the question of how the GDP is distributed within the SCO.

Indeed.