Rome vs. North Korea

[Napkiraly]

You're making a mistake in thinking that 3 million bullets = 3 million kills.
Considering that even well trained militaries today who are trained to shoot down the sight have a very low fire to kill ratio.
http://m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/wo ... 80666.html
I don't think that NK has much of an advantage when NK soldiers are known to shoot from the hip with Cold War era AKs.

Tends to happen when suppressive fire is used heavily against other soldiers with guns. But Romans don't have guns, nor do they use cover; they march in rectangles. Easy targets.

And cold war weapons are superior to Roman weapons.

AK's cant melt dank Gladii

[Napkiraly]

Plus they can temporarily ally themselves with the gauls, Saxons, Germans, and even carthage to attack and devastate the Koreans.

There's no way any of those requests would be accepted. The Gauls, Saxons, Germans, Carthaginians, etc. would probably ally with NK as a power play against Rome.

Wouldn't matter as much anyway considering only one of those groups existed as a separate entity during Augustus' reign.

[Genivaria]

History has shown that it is not technology that always wins the day but morale, discipline, organization, logistics, and proper tactics that win the day.

[Infected Mushroom]

History has shown that it is not technology that always wins the day but morale, discipline, organization, logistics, and proper tactics that win the day.

North Korean soldiers are very disciplined and fanatical. Also, their morale will be unbelievable with all of the technological edge.

[Napkiraly]

History has shown that it is not technology that always wins the day but morale, discipline, organization, logistics, and proper tactics that win the day.

And as much as I love Ancient Grome, modern military tactics and weaponry would decimate any ancient army. And the NK military would have superior logistics by default of having trucks doing the heavy lifting. Trucks beat donkey carriages in places like modern day France.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

History has shown that it is not technology that always wins the day but morale,

I'm sure Roman morale will stay strong after a legion gets wiped out by artillery.

discipline,

Oh, those Italians look so stern! I'm so scared.

organization,

Squares won't save Rome this time.

logistics,

Neither will roads.

and proper tactics that win the day.

The proper tactic against guns is not to march in a tight formation at a steady pace.

[USS Monitor]

Even when NK runs too low on fuel and ammunition to maintain their current strength, they will still have technology and knowledge that is far beyond what the Romans have. They will still have people that know about internal combustion engines, metallurgy, etc.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

History has shown that it is not technology that always wins the day but morale, discipline, organization, logistics, and proper tactics that win the day.

And as much as I love Ancient Grome, modern military tactics and weaponry would decimate any ancient army. And the NK military would have superior logistics by default of having trucks doing the heavy lifting. Trucks beat donkey carriages in places like modern day France.

Questions:
How many oil deposits are in proximity to NK's starting point?
Do North Koreans know how to collect and refine oil?

[Conserative Morality]

You're making a mistake in thinking that 3 million bullets = 3 million kills.

No, I said 30 million bullets = 3 million kills against troops marching in tight goddamn formations.

[Genivaria]

History has shown that it is not technology that always wins the day but morale,

I'm sure Roman morale will stay strong after a legion gets wiped out by artillery.

discipline,

Oh, those Italians look so stern! I'm so scared.

organization,

Squares won't save Rome this time.

logistics,

Neither will roads.

and proper tactics that win the day.

The proper tactic against guns is not to march in a tight formation at a steady pace.

Because a single engagement will apparently decide this entire hypothetical conflict and Romans are incapable of adaptation.
Clearly.

[Geilinor]

I'm sure Roman morale will stay strong after a legion gets wiped out by artillery.

Oh, those Italians look so stern! I'm so scared.

Squares won't save Rome this time.

Neither will roads.

The proper tactic against guns is not to march in a tight formation at a steady pace.

Because a single engagement will apparently decide this entire hypothetical conflict and Romans are incapable of adaptation.
Clearly.

They only way the Romans could win is if they managed to get their hands on some of North Korea's equipment and learned how to operate it.

[Napkiraly]

And as much as I love Ancient Grome, modern military tactics and weaponry would decimate any ancient army. And the NK military would have superior logistics by default of having trucks doing the heavy lifting. Trucks beat donkey carriages in places like modern day France.

Questions:
1)How many oil deposits are in proximity to NK's starting point?
2)Do North Koreans know how to collect and refine oil?

1)Quite a bit off of the coast of what is today Scotland. Also Norway isn't that far away.
2) More than the Romans do.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

I'm sure Roman morale will stay strong after a legion gets wiped out by artillery.

Oh, those Italians look so stern! I'm so scared.

Squares won't save Rome this time.

Neither will roads.

The proper tactic against guns is not to march in a tight formation at a steady pace.

Because a single engagement will apparently decide this entire hypothetical conflict

I never said that.

and Romans are incapable of adaptation.
Clearly.

It's hard for ancient armies to adapt to a completely out-of-context power whose thunder archers can annihilate centuries in a single volley.

The Romans have absolutely no way to counter North Korean forces. They can't get close, they can't reach out, and they can't weather it. As much as weapons aren't they end and be all, this threat renders everything the Romans have irrelevant and/or obsolete.

[Genivaria]

Because a single engagement will apparently decide this entire hypothetical conflict and Romans are incapable of adaptation.
Clearly.

They only way the Romans could win is if they managed to get their hands on some of North Korea's equipment and learned how to operate it.

So Romans are now incapable of ambush tactics, archer volleys, loose formation, or even fucking attrition.

[Napkiraly]

They only way the Romans could win is if they managed to get their hands on some of North Korea's equipment and learned how to operate it.

So Romans are now incapable of ambush tactics, archer volleys, loose formation, or even fucking attrition.

Of course they can use ambush tactics. Still have to wait until they are within pila and gladii range. Most of the Roman military after all weren't archers. Which also don't have a very long effective range. Also going to point out that the closer the target, the much easier it is to hit them with your bullets.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

Because a single engagement will apparently decide this entire hypothetical conflict and Romans are incapable of adaptation.
Clearly.

They only way the Romans could win is if they managed to get their hands on some of North Korea's equipment and learned how to operate it.

And build. And maintain. The Romans can't even reverse engineer most NK equipment, it's so complex and advanced.

They only way the Romans could win is if they managed to get their hands on some of North Korea's equipment and learned how to operate it.

So Romans are now incapable of ambush tactics,

The point of ambush is to kill the enemy unawares. The Romans can accomplish the unawares part; the killing would cost them a man for every kill.

archer volleys,

Artillery outranges that.

loose formation,

So now it's slightly harder to hit them. Whoopee.

or even fucking attrition.

Not anymore.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

Questions:
1)How many oil deposits are in proximity to NK's starting point?
2)Do North Koreans know how to collect and refine oil?

1)Quite a bit off of the coast of what is today Scotland. Also Norway isn't that far away.
2) More than the Romans do.

Do they have the knowledge and ability to build offshore rigs?

[Herargon]

What? How could the North possibly lose? They could use weapons from 2 centuries before and still crush Rome.

Considering that Rome actually had like 44-110 million inhabitants which often had to deal with criminality themselves, and that North korea has an army (including reserves) of 9 million men and a population of just 23 million people, I think the Romans would win thanks to guerilla and using stolen North korean guns and being more prepared for harsh situations than the DPRK people.

EDIT: Although it would be hard for the Romans.

[The Two Jerseys]

Questions:
1)How many oil deposits are in proximity to NK's starting point?
2)Do North Koreans know how to collect and refine oil?

1)Quite a bit off of the coast of what is today Scotland. Also Norway isn't that far away.
2) More than the Romans do.

As far as I know, North Korea has no oil drilling operations. Even though they may have some knowledge of it, it would still take years for them to construct drilling equipment and platforms and to train roughnecks. In the meantime, their mechanized army is rapidly burning through fuel that they can't replace.

I'm betting on the donkeys.

[United Marxist Nations]

Commodus would kill them all singlehandedly.

[USS Monitor]

And as much as I love Ancient Grome, modern military tactics and weaponry would decimate any ancient army. And the NK military would have superior logistics by default of having trucks doing the heavy lifting. Trucks beat donkey carriages in places like modern day France.

Questions:
How many oil deposits are in proximity to NK's starting point?
Do North Koreans know how to collect and refine oil?

Even if they run out of gas for their trucks, they would still be able to do better than donkey carriages.

I don't use oil for fuel, but I am still a modern ship for the purposes of this debate. Steam trains also don't use oil. It's traditional to use coal, but you technically could use wood-fired boilers to run steam-powered machinery if you had that much trouble finding oil or coal. You can also use vegetable oil to run an engine.

[Napkiraly]

1)Quite a bit off of the coast of what is today Scotland. Also Norway isn't that far away.
2) More than the Romans do.

Do they have the knowledge and ability to build offshore rigs?

They do have some refineries, though onshore. There is growing interest in NK's potential in having deposits in gas and oil, both off and onshore. While inexperienced, they do have chemical engineers and chemists along with various textbooks which would give them a start. Even if early operations are rather crude (heh).

[Napkiraly]

Questions:
How many oil deposits are in proximity to NK's starting point?
Do North Koreans know how to collect and refine oil?

Even if they run out of gas for their trucks, they would still be able to do better than donkey carriages.

I don't use oil for fuel, but I am still a modern ship for the purposes of this debate. Steam trains also don't use oil. It's traditional to use coal, but you technically could use wood-fired boilers to run steam-powered machinery if you had that much trouble finding oil or coal. You can also use vegetable oil to run an engine.

This as well. NK would have nifty trains. Which they got plenty of experience operating. And they got plenty of coal, as does France and Belgium which are not far.

[The Two Jerseys]

Questions:
How many oil deposits are in proximity to NK's starting point?
Do North Koreans know how to collect and refine oil?

Even if they run out of gas for their trucks, they would still be able to do better than donkey carriages.

I don't use oil for fuel, but I am still a modern ship for the purposes of this debate. Steam trains also don't use oil. It's traditional to use coal, but you technically could use wood-fired boilers to run steam-powered machinery if you had that much trouble finding oil or coal. You can also use vegetable oil to run an engine.

Steam-powered combat vehicles are a really terrible idea. Fuel takes up too much space, they're useless until they build up a full head of steam (which could take hours from a cold start), and the exhaust and blow-off steam is a huge tactical disadvantage.

Using your food to produce fuel also poses some problems.

[Islamic Meritocratic Transoxiana]

Because a single engagement will apparently decide this entire hypothetical conflict and Romans are incapable of adaptation.
Clearly.

They only way the Romans could win is if they managed to get their hands on some of North Korea's equipment and learned how to operate it.

As I said earlier NK is very, very bribable.