Ethicaly questionable or just a perk of the job.

[Greed and Death]

I won't deal with ethics but with practicality.

For the sake of argument, I'm a renter. I pay $xxxx/mo for rent, this includes things like maintenance and repairs. So one fine day, the water heater dies and water gushes everywhere. My things are sodden, I can't bathe or wash dishes, I have to turn off the electricity because of the water. So I call the manager and request you to come to my place asap because it's an emergency. I have never given you a beer or a meal or any form of "perk". I have, however, been courteous to you and treated you with respect. Anyway, 24 hours and many, at first desparate and then angry, phone calls later, you finally toddle in and, in your desultory fashion, you barely fix the problem. The reason you give for your tardiness is that there were calls before me. I check into these calls and find that you were spending a couple of hours fixing the drippy faucet in the hot chicks apartment because she gave you a beer and another couple of hours tacking down the carpet of the old guy who let you watch the football game on his 52" HD TV. My first response is not to give you a beer, it's to complain to the manager and get your sorry ass fired.

This should be worthy of your consideration.

Actually water leaks are always emergencies and we drop what we are doing to fix those even if the guy is an asshole.
Mostly because my boss doesn't want to deal with the water damage.

[Imsogone]

I won't deal with ethics but with practicality.

For the sake of argument, I'm a renter. I pay $xxxx/mo for rent, this includes things like maintenance and repairs. So one fine day, the water heater dies and water gushes everywhere. My things are sodden, I can't bathe or wash dishes, I have to turn off the electricity because of the water. So I call the manager and request you to come to my place asap because it's an emergency. I have never given you a beer or a meal or any form of "perk". I have, however, been courteous to you and treated you with respect. Anyway, 24 hours and many, at first desparate and then angry, phone calls later, you finally toddle in and, in your desultory fashion, you barely fix the problem. The reason you give for your tardiness is that there were calls before me. I check into these calls and find that you were spending a couple of hours fixing the drippy faucet in the hot chicks apartment because she gave you a beer and another couple of hours tacking down the carpet of the old guy who let you watch the football game on his 52" HD TV. My first response is not to give you a beer, it's to complain to the manager and get your sorry ass fired.

This should be worthy of your consideration.

Actually water leaks are always emergencies and we drop what we are doing to fix those even if the guy is an asshole.
Mostly because my boss doesn't want to deal with the water damage.

Actually, this was more in the nature of a warning about this sort of thing. If someone finds out that you're doing this, it could cause problems with your employer.

[Acadzia]

perk as long as you dont start demanding it or taking sex as payment.

This.



Another slightly releated question. Is it ethical for businesses in the service industry to charge an asshole fee? For example, the person who hires a repair man, treats them like dirt. Should the repair man be allowed to charge them extra?

I'd say that the "asshole fee" is a bit unethical. Assholes are just an "anti-perk" of the job. I don't think you should be allowed to secretly pad their bill.

Why? You are paying them to come into your home, because you are too lazy or too unedeucated to fix it yourself, and instead of treating them like a guest, and with respect, you treat them like shit. To compensate for them being an asshole, they should get charged extra.

And you're a "right-wing nut"?

[Greed and Death]

Well I work as a repairman at an apartment complex.
Recently several of the Tenants have discovered giving me beer or food helps to ensure I fix their problems in a much more timely manner. I can't say I intentionally get to them faster, but it is second nature to take care of those who are nicer first.

Unethical.

Not 'questionable' - it's unethical. If it was ethical, the question would never have popped into your head.

*accidentally turns off GNI's heat.*

...which would just be evidence.

It's true, though.

You know when people want to post slightly risky images on their flags, and they go and start a thread in Moderation saying something like "would it be okay to use this image *image* as a flag"? and the reply is always 'if you have to ask, you already know the answer'...?

Yeah. That.

In general I say it is far better to ask forgiveness then to ask permission.

anyways the chick that gave me Chimay grande reserve, we just ended up knocking boots because I fixed her A/C promptly. I kinda needed some just recently gotten dumped.

[Maurepas]

Perk of the Job, have at it, Id do it,

[Grave_n_idle]

Well I work as a repairman at an apartment complex.
Recently several of the Tenants have discovered giving me beer or food helps to ensure I fix their problems in a much more timely manner. I can't say I intentionally get to them faster, but it is second nature to take care of those who are nicer first.

Unethical.

Not 'questionable' - it's unethical. If it was ethical, the question would never have popped into your head.

*accidentally turns off GNI's heat.*

...which would just be evidence.

It's true, though.

You know when people want to post slightly risky images on their flags, and they go and start a thread in Moderation saying something like "would it be okay to use this image *image* as a flag"? and the reply is always 'if you have to ask, you already know the answer'...?

Yeah. That.

In general I say it is far better to ask forgiveness then to ask permission.

anyways the chick that gave me Chimay grande reserve, we just ended up knocking boots because I fixed her A/C promptly. I kinda needed some just recently gotten dumped.

All of which does nothing to make it ethical. Quite the contrary.

[Greed and Death]

Well I work as a repairman at an apartment complex.
Recently several of the Tenants have discovered giving me beer or food helps to ensure I fix their problems in a much more timely manner. I can't say I intentionally get to them faster, but it is second nature to take care of those who are nicer first.

Unethical.

Not 'questionable' - it's unethical. If it was ethical, the question would never have popped into your head.

*accidentally turns off GNI's heat.*

...which would just be evidence.

It's true, though.

You know when people want to post slightly risky images on their flags, and they go and start a thread in Moderation saying something like "would it be okay to use this image *image* as a flag"? and the reply is always 'if you have to ask, you already know the answer'...?

Yeah. That.

In general I say it is far better to ask forgiveness then to ask permission.

anyways the chick that gave me Chimay grande reserve, we just ended up knocking boots because I fixed her A/C promptly. I kinda needed some just recently gotten dumped.

All of which does nothing to make it ethical. Quite the contrary.

The sex was secondary because I was hitting on her while fixing her AC.
the tip was technically after work. though she did ask my favorite beer I liked after work.

[Kma2]

Well I work as a repairman at an apartment complex.
Recently several of the Tenants have discovered giving me beer or food helps to ensure I fix their problems in a much more timely manner. I can't say I intentionally get to them faster, but it is second nature to take care of those who are nicer first.

IMHO, if they are expecting or even receiving the illusion that they are being serviced out of order by giving you gifts, it is unethical.

For example: If you pick the order of repairs, I would not accept gifts. If your dispatcher picks the order, no problem.


On the other hand, is this any different from a waiter at a restaurant? We give them tips, but it is after the fact. If we spotted them $5 when we sat down, and they hovered over us and gave us their full attention, I am not sure that would be ethical either.

[Grave_n_idle]

The sex was secondary because I was hitting on her while fixing her AC.
the tip was technically after work. though she did ask my favorite beer I liked after work.

Allowing business and social activity to coincide is poor practise (even if it did get you 'consolation'). You primed the social activity in your formal business capacity - which means you were not only unethical in accepting 'perks', but in soliciting them while you were supposed to be acting in a professional capacity.

[Maurepas]

The sex was secondary because I was hitting on her while fixing her AC.
the tip was technically after work. though she did ask my favorite beer I liked after work.

Allowing business and social activity to coincide is poor practise (even if it did get you 'consolation'). You primed the social activity in your formal business capacity - which means you were not only unethical in accepting 'perks', but in soliciting them while you were supposed to be acting in a professional capacity.

Meh, she consented, whats the problem? I've never understood that sort of thing myself, long as everyone consents, Im not seeing the problem...

[Greed and Death]

The sex was secondary because I was hitting on her while fixing her AC.
the tip was technically after work. though she did ask my favorite beer I liked after work.

Allowing business and social activity to coincide is poor practise (even if it did get you 'consolation'). You primed the social activity in your formal business capacity - which means you were not only unethical in accepting 'perks', but in soliciting them while you were supposed to be acting in a professional capacity.

Meh, she consented, whats the problem? I've never understood that sort of thing myself, long as everyone consents, Im not seeing the problem...

Its not like I said I wasn't going to fix her AC if she didn't give me any booty.

[Intangelon]

Well I work as a repairman at an apartment complex.
Recently several of the Tenants have discovered giving me beer or food helps to ensure I fix their problems in a much more timely manner. I can't say I intentionally get to them faster, but it is second nature to take care of those who are nicer first.

Perk, so long as the beer doesn't get the beer-giver to the front of the repairs queue.

[KiloMikeAlpha]

So, what if said lady decided that she loves you and that she wants to spend more time with you and you snub her. She gets all crazy and tells your boss. You get fired, all kinds of crap hits the fan and you are history.

Same reason why you dont get involved with anyone at work.

There is a reason animals dont defecate where they eat.

[Greed and Death]

Well I work as a repairman at an apartment complex.
Recently several of the Tenants have discovered giving me beer or food helps to ensure I fix their problems in a much more timely manner. I can't say I intentionally get to them faster, but it is second nature to take care of those who are nicer first.

Perk, so long as the beer doesn't get the beer-giver to the front of the repairs queue.

Well the work orders are on a board in no particular order. we do them based on our own time management. Just if someone gave me beer in the past their name tends to stick out as fitting out time management.

[Greed and Death]

So, what if said lady decided that she loves you and that she wants to spend more time with you and you snub her. She gets all crazy and tells your boss. You get fired, all kinds of crap hits the fan and you are history.

Same reason why you dont get involved with anyone at work.

There is a reason animals dont defecate where they eat.

this is one of free jobs I have.
ID be more concerned about losing it if ti were a career or the only job I have.

[Maurepas]

Well I work as a repairman at an apartment complex.
Recently several of the Tenants have discovered giving me beer or food helps to ensure I fix their problems in a much more timely manner. I can't say I intentionally get to them faster, but it is second nature to take care of those who are nicer first.

Perk, so long as the beer doesn't get the beer-giver to the front of the repairs queue.

Well the work orders are on a board in no particular order. we do them based on our own time management. Just if someone gave me beer in the past their name tends to stick out as fitting out time management.

And, as long as it isnt an emergency like ASD described, I dont see the problem with that, maybe the other people should think about not being douchebags...

[Pope Joan]

I always offer a sandwich and a cup of coffee, but after the work is done.

The only time the offer is accepted is when it is minus 20 F outside, and not all the time even then.

I don't think my service is faster or slower as a result.

It's just a way of saying thanks to a neighbor.

[KiloMikeAlpha]

So, what if said lady decided that she loves you and that she wants to spend more time with you and you snub her. She gets all crazy and tells your boss. You get fired, all kinds of crap hits the fan and you are history.

Same reason why you dont get involved with anyone at work.

There is a reason animals dont defecate where they eat.

this is one of free jobs I have.
ID be more concerned about losing it if ti were a career or the only job I have.

Then why the concern? It obviously concerned you enough to talk about it here. Were you looking for absolution?

[Maurepas]

So, what if said lady decided that she loves you and that she wants to spend more time with you and you snub her. She gets all crazy and tells your boss. You get fired, all kinds of crap hits the fan and you are history.

Same reason why you dont get involved with anyone at work.

There is a reason animals dont defecate where they eat.

this is one of free jobs I have.
ID be more concerned about losing it if ti were a career or the only job I have.

Then why the concern? It obviously concerned you enough to talk about it here. Were you looking for absolution?

Probably just an interesting topic for NSG, I dont even have this problem at my job, due to it not involving leaving the desk, and it interests me...

[The Fanboyists]

perk as long as you dont start demanding it or taking sex as payment.

That's a plumber, or a milkman, perk.

Or cable guy, or mailman.

^^^

This especially. Cable is life. Putting yourself up for gay butt-sex is totally worth getting it fixed faster.

[Dakini]

Well keep debating this one of the tenants has bought me Chimay and I am off to go drink.

ooo... Chimay, good beer.

I don't think this is a bad thing.

[Intangelon]

Well I work as a repairman at an apartment complex.
Recently several of the Tenants have discovered giving me beer or food helps to ensure I fix their problems in a much more timely manner. I can't say I intentionally get to them faster, but it is second nature to take care of those who are nicer first.

Perk, so long as the beer doesn't get the beer-giver to the front of the repairs queue.

Well the work orders are on a board in no particular order. we do them based on our own time management. Just if someone gave me beer in the past their name tends to stick out as fitting out time management.

So you do give preference to those who beer you, but you try to pass it off like you don't. Got it.

[Maurepas]

Well I work as a repairman at an apartment complex.
Recently several of the Tenants have discovered giving me beer or food helps to ensure I fix their problems in a much more timely manner. I can't say I intentionally get to them faster, but it is second nature to take care of those who are nicer first.

Perk, so long as the beer doesn't get the beer-giver to the front of the repairs queue.

Well the work orders are on a board in no particular order. we do them based on our own time management. Just if someone gave me beer in the past their name tends to stick out as fitting out time management.

So you do give preference to those who beer you, but you try to pass it off like you don't. Got it.

Meh, Nicer people = better service, humanity 101, Im not seeing the problem, *shrugs*

[Katganistan]

Well I work as a repairman at an apartment complex.
Recently several of the Tenants have discovered giving me beer or food helps to ensure I fix their problems in a much more timely manner. I can't say I intentionally get to them faster, but it is second nature to take care of those who are nicer first.

Unethical.

Not 'questionable' - it's unethical. If it was ethical, the question would never have popped into your head.

*accidentally turns off GNI's heat.*

...which would just be evidence.

It's true, though.

You know when people want to post slightly risky images on their flags, and they go and start a thread in Moderation saying something like "would it be okay to use this image *image* as a flag"? and the reply is always 'if you have to ask, you already know the answer'...?

Yeah. That.

In general I say it is far better to ask forgiveness then to ask permission.

anyways the chick that gave me Chimay grande reserve, we just ended up knocking boots because I fixed her A/C promptly. I kinda needed some just recently gotten dumped.

....
There's an old saying, "You don't shit where you eat."
You shouldn't screw where you work either -- it leads to altogether too much drama, including the kind that gets people fired.

[Intangelon]

Well I work as a repairman at an apartment complex.
Recently several of the Tenants have discovered giving me beer or food helps to ensure I fix their problems in a much more timely manner. I can't say I intentionally get to them faster, but it is second nature to take care of those who are nicer first.

Perk, so long as the beer doesn't get the beer-giver to the front of the repairs queue.

Well the work orders are on a board in no particular order. we do them based on our own time management. Just if someone gave me beer in the past their name tends to stick out as fitting out time management.

So you do give preference to those who beer you, but you try to pass it off like you don't. Got it.

Meh, Nicer people = better service, humanity 101, Im not seeing the problem, *shrugs*

Except that it's supposed to be first come, first served.