What the F@%!

[United Dependencies]

I provided a definition from somewhere else for you.

[Smunkeeville]

Why?

Well, I'd get out of the thread because goatse...

Well, it's not pretty.

I'd wait for it to be removed because there's no sense in wishing off the inevitable.

If I followed you around with a big goatse poster would you call the cops?

Why I believe what is filth?

Don't play games.

What games? I don't know what you think I called filth.

[Katganistan]

Hi CM, how are you today? I'm not doing so well. I hurt my foot last night and I'm in pain and I have a really low threshold for bullshit. So, I'm going to try to make this short and sweet.

You do NOT have a right to entertainment. Entertainment costs money. You have to pay for it. If you want something that's uncommon you have to pay more. Such is life.

Of course I don't have a right to entertainment. But is it right for a small group of people to force their SPECIFIC TASTES on everyone else in this country?

Nobody is forcing you to watch what they like. Case in point I've never seen LOST. You have access to the entertainment you want. Nothing is banned. You're just throwing a fit because you don't want to pay.

That's not exactly true, the people who censor T.V. are forcing you to watch what they want, or rather not watch what you want.

Except when you buy Showtime, and HBO, and Cinemax, and Adult channels, and Cable.... and DVDs.

Such oppression.

[Linux and the X]

Nobody is forcing you to watch what they like. Case in point I've never seen LOST. You have access to the entertainment you want. Nothing is banned. You're just throwing a fit because you don't want to pay.

What if someone wants to offer it for free? Why should it be forbidden for station managers to decide what they put on air?

[Conserative Morality]

So since you want to use fonts not included, pay for them? What's so tough about it?

Oh waaaah, I want what other people pay for for free?

Perhaps that was a bad example.

Perhaps this:

I like the Maryland Political Times. It's controversial, appeals to my political sense, and doesn't artificially censor itself. However, a new government body, the Federal Newspaper Commission, now dictates that I may only buy the Maryland Political Times between 10:00 and 6:00, and I now must pay triple in addition to the normal weekly fee, for the Sunday paper.

I'm sure I have a few problems with that, but I feel it's a much better example.

[Katganistan]

There's a difference between apathy and looking at the alternatives and going 'nah'.

Can you honestly say that most people do look at the alternatives? Or consider them in any amount of detail?

Yes.
I pay for cable. I can watch Comedy central and whatever their comedians say.
I don't like sports. I don't pay extra for sports. Wonderful system that.

[Huntersunited]

Hi CM, how are you today? I'm not doing so well. I hurt my foot last night and I'm in pain and I have a really low threshold for bullshit. So, I'm going to try to make this short and sweet.

You do NOT have a right to entertainment. Entertainment costs money. You have to pay for it. If you want something that's uncommon you have to pay more. Such is life.

Of course I don't have a right to entertainment. But is it right for a small group of people to force their SPECIFIC TASTES on everyone else in this country?

Nobody is forcing you to watch what they like. Case in point I've never seen LOST. You have access to the entertainment you want. Nothing is banned. You're just throwing a fit because you don't want to pay.

That's not exactly true, the people who censor T.V. are forcing you to watch what they want, or rather not watch what you want.

Except when you buy Showtime, and HBO, and Cinemax, and Adult channels, and Cable.... and DVDs.

Such oppression.

key word there is BUY. Do you know why we have to buy it? Because parents are too lazy to monitor there kids. If there was no censorship, they might not be free, but they would have to lower prices to compete with other stations.

[Katganistan]

I agree that other people's tastes shouldn't dictate the law, yes. Currently, my tastes ARE the law. It's other people's tastes that would change it at this point.

Call it a lack of confidence in the entertainment industry. Technically, I should trust the market's ability to provide censored channels for those of us who want them without government interference, and TBH I doubt most channels would change their formats to more vulgar ones even if those prohibitions were lifted. Even so, as I said, I think the more extreme sources of language, violence and sex in the media are a premium people should have to buy.

Charging people extra merely because you have a difference in taste with them. Wow.

Hi CM, how are you today? I'm not doing so well. I hurt my foot last night and I'm in pain and I have a really low threshold for bullshit. So, I'm going to try to make this short and sweet.

You do NOT have a right to entertainment. Entertainment costs money. You have to pay for it. If you want something that's uncommon you have to pay more. Such is life.

Well, we have the right of pursuit of happiness, and maybe my happiness is T.V. and censorship is stopping me from pursuing it.

The pursuit of happiness? REALLY? You think you have a right to TV?
The pursuit of happiness meant you could own land, have certain freedoms, and be able to own your own business. It did not mean the rest of us have to support your wish for raw language or porn on free television.

Go. Buy. Cable.

[Conserative Morality]

If I followed you around with a big goatse poster would you call the cops?

I'd most certainly lock you out of my house.

What games? I don't know what you think I called filth.

NSG is not in charge of what you google on your own time. You have a fucked up sense of boundaries if you think otherwise. The FCC is not making you watch censored versions of stuff. They are not stopping you from watching whatever filth you want. If you spent less time whining about Ashmoria and more time googling you could be getting entertained right now.

From there I asked why you thought it was filth. Then you said something along the lines of 'Seriously?' And then, when you figured out you didn't have a good reason, decided to act like you didn't know what I was talking about.

[Flameswroth]

That's not exactly true, the people who censor T.V. are forcing you to watch what they want, or rather not watch what you want.

Except when you buy Showtime, and HBO, and Cinemax, and Adult channels, and Cable.... and DVDs.

Such oppression.

key word there is BUY.

That's not really a problem for those who want it. Unless of course you're one of those kids at home who wants to watch that stuff, and their parents won't let them.

[Huntersunited]

I agree that other people's tastes shouldn't dictate the law, yes. Currently, my tastes ARE the law. It's other people's tastes that would change it at this point.

Call it a lack of confidence in the entertainment industry. Technically, I should trust the market's ability to provide censored channels for those of us who want them without government interference, and TBH I doubt most channels would change their formats to more vulgar ones even if those prohibitions were lifted. Even so, as I said, I think the more extreme sources of language, violence and sex in the media are a premium people should have to buy.

Charging people extra merely because you have a difference in taste with them. Wow.

Hi CM, how are you today? I'm not doing so well. I hurt my foot last night and I'm in pain and I have a really low threshold for bullshit. So, I'm going to try to make this short and sweet.

You do NOT have a right to entertainment. Entertainment costs money. You have to pay for it. If you want something that's uncommon you have to pay more. Such is life.

Well, we have the right of pursuit of happiness, and maybe my happiness is T.V. and censorship is stopping me from pursuing it.

The pursuit of happiness? REALLY? You think you have a right to TV?
The pursuit of happiness meant you could own land, have certain freedoms, and be able to own your own business. It did not mean the rest of us have to support your wish for raw language or porn on free television.

Go. Buy. Cable.

What if you had to buy cable to have censorship, how would you feel?

[Smunkeeville]

Nobody is forcing you to watch what they like. Case in point I've never seen LOST. You have access to the entertainment you want. Nothing is banned. You're just throwing a fit because you don't want to pay.

What if someone wants to offer it for free? Why should it be forbidden for station managers to decide what they put on air?

Because they're using public airwaves. The FCC controls the public airwaves. If you have your own satellite and broadcast over non-public airwaves then you don't have to mess around with the FCC.

[Conserative Morality]

Yes.
I pay for cable. I can watch Comedy central and whatever their comedians say.
I don't like sports. I don't pay extra for sports. Wonderful system that.

You've considered all the ramifications of having a Federal government body that can censor what it likes, at will, without any bills needing to be pushed over in the Senate, under the name of decency?

[Huntersunited]

That's not exactly true, the people who censor T.V. are forcing you to watch what they want, or rather not watch what you want.

Except when you buy Showtime, and HBO, and Cinemax, and Adult channels, and Cable.... and DVDs.

Such oppression.

key word there is BUY.

That's not really a problem for those who want it. Unless of course you're one of those kids at home who wants to watch that stuff, and their parents won't let them.

Well, for one thing I don't care for porn, I just don't think the government should tell us what to say.

[Smunkeeville]

From there I asked why you thought it was filth. Then you said something along the lines of 'Seriously?' And then, when you figured out you didn't have a good reason, decided to act like you didn't know what I was talking about.

Oh, that. I don't really know what I was calling filth. I was just using it to exaggerate or something.

[Katganistan]

Isn't censorship against our right to freedom of speech anyway?

Not if they insult someone, silly! Filth^tm is the ultimate evil and banned in the US Constitution! Somewhere. Right beside the right to keep foreigners out of our beautiful country!

Can you walk into any newstand and buy Playboy, Hustler, and other skin mags?
Can you walk into any video store and buy porn?
Can you pay for a subscription to an adult channel?

Then it's not censored or banned, is it?

[Smunkeeville]

Well, for one thing I don't care for porn, I just don't think the government should tell us what to say.

And they aren't. So, good day.

[Conserative Morality]

Oh, that. I don't really know what I was calling filth. I was just using it to exaggerate or something.

I'd like to applaud your excellent usage of the English language. Very clear, I'm glad you didn't have a set meaning behind filth. It's just... Exaggeration. Of nothing in particular. At all.

[Katganistan]

There's a reason there is a watershed -- so that some shows that are on WILL be suitable (and I use that term loosely) for children.

If you want all adult all the time, there's cable, and there are DVDs. Be an adult.

So that others don't have to be an adult all the time. I see.

Can a four year old be an adult before they mature? Can a six year old? Can a two year old?

[Smunkeeville]

Oh, that. I don't really know what I was calling filth. I was just using it to exaggerate or something.

I'd like to applaud your excellent usage of the English language. Very clear, I'm glad you didn't have a set meaning behind filth. It's just... Exaggeration. Of nothing in particular. At all.

Basically yes. I think if you could hear my tone of voice it would have made more sense.

Did I mention my foot hurts?

[Huntersunited]

Isn't censorship against our right to freedom of speech anyway?

Not if they insult someone, silly! Filth^tm is the ultimate evil and banned in the US Constitution! Somewhere. Right beside the right to keep foreigners out of our beautiful country!

Can you walk into any newstand and buy Playboy, Hustler, and other skin mags?
Can you walk into any video store and buy porn?
Can you pay for a subscription to an adult channel?

Then it's not censored or banned, is it?

I'm talking about T.V., not magazines. And the government should not be able to tell us what to say.

[The Parkus Empire]

Most T.V. stations would still censor their material without the influence of the FCC.

[Huntersunited]

Well, for one thing I don't care for porn, I just don't think the government should tell us what to say.

And they aren't. So, good day.

Actually, censorship is there way of saying " We can control what you can, and cannot say, in front of people on T.V. to get your opinion across".

[Conserative Morality]

Can you walk into any newstand and buy Playboy, Hustler, and other skin mags?
Can you walk into any video store and buy porn?
Can you pay for a subscription to an adult channel?

Then it's not censored or banned, is it?

The former two, probably. Well, the age bit might be a problem with most stores.

The last one, only during certain times as regulated by the government.

It’s Against the Law

It is a violation of federal law to air obscene programming at any time. It is also a violation of federal law to air indecent programming or profane language during certain hours. Congress has given the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) the responsibility for administratively enforcing these laws. The FCC may revoke a station license, impose a monetary forfeiture, or issue a warning if a station airs obscene, indecent, or profane material.

Obscene Broadcasts Are Prohibited at All Times

Obscene material is not protected by the First Amendment to the Constitution and cannot be broadcast at any time. The Supreme Court has established that, to be obscene, material must meet a three-pronged test:

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An average person, applying contemporary community standards, must find that the material, as a whole, appeals to the prurient interest;
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The material must depict or describe, in a patently offensive way, sexual conduct specifically defined by applicable law; and
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The material, taken as a whole, must lack serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value.

http://www.fcc.gov/cgb/consumerfacts/obscene.html

It's not censorship if it's offensive!

[Conserative Morality]

Can a four year old be an adult before they mature? Can a six year old? Can a two year old?

Can a parent, oh, I don't know, control what their child watches on the television set?