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Postby Uawc » Thu Jan 14, 2010 3:56 pm

EvilDarkMagicians wrote:
UAWC wrote:I'm against using cannabis for the THC, simply because it's bad for you. However, I think it's a great drug for medicinal purposes and cannabis is also an excellent building material for baskets and stuff.


Don't they call that hemp?


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Postby Uawc » Thu Jan 14, 2010 3:57 pm

New Manvir wrote:
UAWC wrote:I'm against using cannabis for the THC, simply because it's bad for you. However, I think it's a great drug for medicinal purposes and cannabis is also an excellent building material for baskets and stuff.


Lots of things are "bad for you". And how is it okay for sick people (who have lowered immune systems) to use it, but healthy can't. That whole notion is absolutely absurd.


You prescribe different medicines for different things.
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Postby Vonnerz » Thu Jan 14, 2010 3:58 pm

UAWC wrote:I'm against using cannabis for the THC, simply because it's bad for you. However, I think it's a great drug for medicinal purposes and cannabis is also an excellent building material for baskets and stuff.


well the evidence does not seem to support your proposition regarding delta 9 tetra hydrocannabinol and the stuff for making baskets is called hemp but otherwise...sure why not;)
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Postby Sel Appa » Thu Jan 14, 2010 4:39 pm

New Manvir wrote:Absolutely, I'd rather support my local Cannabis farmer than a Mexican drug Cartel.

In all honesty, is there a difference between Phillip Morris and a Mexican cartel?

ie: drugs are always going to be made by some massive, shady organization
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Postby Urzamalandi » Thu Jan 14, 2010 4:40 pm

They've been testing and researching cannabis for 70 odd years now trying to find serious negative health implications and the summary for all the reports tends to be "Further research is needed.", it's fairly obvious they can't prove it's really dangerous.

I get US TV now where i live, and i watch the commercials for all the legal(mostly perscription drugs) for various conditions and the endless list of side-effects, they all seem far more dangerous than cannabis could ever be.

I smoked it for 6 or 7 years from my early teens until a few months ago then went cold turkey. Nothing and i mean NOTHING happened as far as withdrawal, i'm just somewhat more irritable now, and no more productive but i do save a few bucks on munchies!

Alcohol is far more dangerous both short term and long term.

People don't get in fights after smoking a joint, they make a sandwich.

People don't fly through red lights at double the speed limit after smoking a joint, they get horns blasted at them by the drunks behind for driving 5 under the limit.
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Postby Tsa-la-gi Nation » Thu Jan 14, 2010 4:56 pm

Urzamalandi wrote:They've been testing and researching cannabis for 70 odd years now trying to find serious negative health implications and the summary for all the reports tends to be "Further research is needed.", it's fairly obvious they can't prove it's really dangerous.

I get US TV now where i live, and i watch the commercials for all the legal(mostly perscription drugs) for various conditions and the endless list of side-effects, they all seem far more dangerous than cannabis could ever be.

I smoked it for 6 or 7 years from my early teens until a few months ago then went cold turkey. Nothing and i mean NOTHING happened as far as withdrawal, i'm just somewhat more irritable now, and no more productive but i do save a few bucks on munchies!

Alcohol is far more dangerous both short term and long term.

People don't get in fights after smoking a joint, they make a sandwich.

People don't fly through red lights at double the speed limit after smoking a joint, they get horns blasted at them by the drunks behind for driving 5 under the limit.

I'm in total agreement with this guy. I would also add that if it were legal in the states, hopefully it would be cheep enough to use it as an herb for cooking. Cannabis gives an excellent flavor to all kinds of pasta sauces or baking it with brownies.

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Postby Riaka » Thu Jan 14, 2010 5:05 pm

More people are killed in car accidents than will ever be killed by smoking marijuana. So if you're going to complain about "safety", stop driving first. Then we'll talk.
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Postby New Manvir » Thu Jan 14, 2010 5:06 pm

Sel Appa wrote:
New Manvir wrote:Absolutely, I'd rather support my local Cannabis farmer than a Mexican drug Cartel.

In all honesty, is there a difference between Phillip Morris and a Mexican cartel?

ie: drugs are always going to be made by some massive, shady organization


Phillip Morris executives don't intimidate others with Kalashnikovs?
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Postby Urzamalandi » Thu Jan 14, 2010 5:09 pm

New Manvir wrote:
Sel Appa wrote:
New Manvir wrote:Absolutely, I'd rather support my local Cannabis farmer than a Mexican drug Cartel.

In all honesty, is there a difference between Phillip Morris and a Mexican cartel?

ie: drugs are always going to be made by some massive, shady organization


Phillip Morris executives don't intimidate others with Kalashnikovs?


Indeed not, they just pay the government to do the intimidating on their behalf. ;)
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Postby Vonnerz » Thu Jan 14, 2010 5:35 pm

Sel Appa wrote:
New Manvir wrote:Absolutely, I'd rather support my local Cannabis farmer than a Mexican drug Cartel.

In all honesty, is there a difference between Phillip Morris and a Mexican cartel?

ie: drugs are always going to be made by some massive, shady organization


Yes. Mexican drug cartels don't have shareholders.
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Postby New Manvir » Thu Jan 14, 2010 5:55 pm

Urzamalandi wrote:
New Manvir wrote:
Sel Appa wrote:
New Manvir wrote:Absolutely, I'd rather support my local Cannabis farmer than a Mexican drug Cartel.

In all honesty, is there a difference between Phillip Morris and a Mexican cartel?

ie: drugs are always going to be made by some massive, shady organization


Phillip Morris executives don't intimidate others with Kalashnikovs?


Indeed not, they just pay the government to do the intimidating on their behalf. ;)


True. If I have to choose between armed gangs or corrupt politicians, I'll take the politicians.
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Postby Sel Appa » Thu Jan 14, 2010 8:18 pm

Riaka wrote:More people are killed in car accidents than will ever be killed by smoking marijuana. So if you're going to complain about "safety", stop driving first. Then we'll talk.

This is one of those things I'm talking about on the pro-cannabis side. You can not deny that cannabis can and will cause cancer and other sources of death. Cannabis has been involved in quite a number of car accidents. We cannot look at the raw numbers because not everyone smokes cannabis on a regular basis.

New Manvir wrote:
Sel Appa wrote:
New Manvir wrote:Absolutely, I'd rather support my local Cannabis farmer than a Mexican drug Cartel.

In all honesty, is there a difference between Phillip Morris and a Mexican cartel?

ie: drugs are always going to be made by some massive, shady organization


Phillip Morris executives don't intimidate others with Kalashnikovs?

They have something more dangerous.
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Postby Barzan » Thu Jan 14, 2010 8:22 pm

Eh? Wha...what's goin' on? Woah! Dude! I can totally see my hand! I mean, not just...like...see it, I can see how it exists and stuff. It's like...totally surreal! Wooooaaaaah!

Oh...dude, I could totally go for some pizza right about now.

Wh...what?
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Postby New Manvir » Thu Jan 14, 2010 9:28 pm

Sel Appa wrote:
Riaka wrote:More people are killed in car accidents than will ever be killed by smoking marijuana. So if you're going to complain about "safety", stop driving first. Then we'll talk.

This is one of those things I'm talking about on the pro-cannabis side. You can not deny that cannabis can and will cause cancer and other sources of death. Cannabis has been involved in quite a number of car accidents. We cannot look at the raw numbers because not everyone smokes cannabis on a regular basis.


I don't think anyone is denying that Cannabis will give you cancer. I argued that the risk of getting cancer was not as high when compared to smoking tobacco, which it is. I mean it seems pretty obvious that inhaling burning plant matter is going to have SOME detrimental effect on your health. And I no doubt believe that there probably have been fatalities from people getting high while driving, MADD has even launched an awareness campaign on the subject. But that's not the fault of the substance, it's the fault of the fool who drives a vehicle after or while partaking in it. Cannabis should be legally available but legally controlled in the exact same way that alcohol is, there should be age limits and penalties for abusing it just like alcohol. But AFAIK there has never been a fatality linked directly to the consumption or over-consumption of Cannabis, as opposed to tobacco or alcohol.

They have something more dangerous.


The true Weapon of Mass Destruction? :p
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