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Second Blazing
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Postby Second Blazing » Tue Dec 16, 2014 6:07 pm

Costa Fierro wrote:
Second Blazing wrote:Not any worse, but definitely not better.


Russia will never be completely happy with whatever the West does, so we just have to learn to listen and when to tell them to mind their own damn business.

But considering the communists appear to be wanting to move away from a resource based economy and a lot are actually more interested in following the economic model of Deng Xiaoping, who as we all know is credited with the opening of China and sowing the seeds for massive economic growth we see today.


A strong Russia is not a good thing though, we want a weak, isolationist Russia that sells their resources cheaply.

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1. Its written out to the old government of Cuba. If the check was made out to Castro, it would be considered legal recognition of an illegal communist dictatorship.

2. Every military base on earth has a brig, the detention center is no different.

3. They cashed the check, meaning the current government ratified the treaty. If

1) Which breaks the treaty by not recognizing Cuba's sovereignty.

2) Granted.

3) And, since then, the US has violated Cuba's sovereignty with the Bay of Pigs invasion, nullifying the treaty.


1. We recognize Cuba's sovereignty, just not the legitimacy of their rulers.

3. The Bay of Pigs was a fair response to the Communist threat springing up less 100 miles from Miami.
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Postby United Marxist Nations » Tue Dec 16, 2014 6:09 pm

Second Blazing wrote:
Costa Fierro wrote:
Russia will never be completely happy with whatever the West does, so we just have to learn to listen and when to tell them to mind their own damn business.

But considering the communists appear to be wanting to move away from a resource based economy and a lot are actually more interested in following the economic model of Deng Xiaoping, who as we all know is credited with the opening of China and sowing the seeds for massive economic growth we see today.


A strong Russia is not a good thing though, we want a weak, isolationist Russia that sells their resources cheaply.

United Marxist Nations wrote:1) Which breaks the treaty by not recognizing Cuba's sovereignty.

2) Granted.

3) And, since then, the US has violated Cuba's sovereignty with the Bay of Pigs invasion, nullifying the treaty.


1. We recognize Cuba's sovereignty, just not the legitimacy of their rulers.

3. The Bay of Pigs was a fair response to the Communist threat springing up less 100 miles from Miami.

1) That is not recognizing Cuba's sovereignty.

3) Which is irrelevant to Cuba's sovereignty.
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Postby Shnercropolis » Tue Dec 16, 2014 6:09 pm

Second Blazing wrote:
Costa Fierro wrote:
Russia will never be completely happy with whatever the West does, so we just have to learn to listen and when to tell them to mind their own damn business.

But considering the communists appear to be wanting to move away from a resource based economy and a lot are actually more interested in following the economic model of Deng Xiaoping, who as we all know is credited with the opening of China and sowing the seeds for massive economic growth we see today.


A strong Russia is not a good thing though, we want a weak, isolationist Russia that sells their resources cheaply.

United Marxist Nations wrote:1) Which breaks the treaty by not recognizing Cuba's sovereignty.

2) Granted.

3) And, since then, the US has violated Cuba's sovereignty with the Bay of Pigs invasion, nullifying the treaty.


1. We recognize Cuba's sovereignty, just not the legitimacy of their rulers.

3. The Bay of Pigs was a fair response to the Communist threat springing up less 100 miles from Miami.

>Communist threat
yeah, really threatening when your neighbors land commandos on your shore, amirite?
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Postby Calimera II » Tue Dec 16, 2014 11:56 pm

Informationland wrote:
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Why? Because you are a 13 years old ultra patriotic teen who wants to see Russia and its people suffer?


They are already suffering. It's their fault for voting for a retard. You feel empathic because the same thing happened to your country. Now they're bankrupt (again).

1. "So lets make them suffer mooaaaar! Long live vulture capitalismmm heyyaaa!"
2. No
3. No
4. Selective Bankruptcy. Not bankruptcy.

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Postby Costa Fierro » Tue Dec 16, 2014 11:58 pm

Pantokrators wrote:
United Marxist Nations wrote:

- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuban%E2%8 ... can_Treaty

The underlined are American violations of the lease.

If you were right than Castro would long tome ago kici oit the Americans and stop using the money of the lease.


Neither Castros were or are in a position to enforce the conditions.
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Postby Informationland » Wed Dec 17, 2014 12:23 am

Calimera II wrote:
Informationland wrote:
They are already suffering. It's their fault for voting for a retard. You feel empathic because the same thing happened to your country. Now they're bankrupt (again).

1. "So lets make them suffer mooaaaar! Long live vulture capitalismmm heyyaaa!"
2. No
3. No
4. Selective Bankruptcy. Not bankruptcy.


1. Yes and this is only the beginning.
3. Yes.
3. Yes.
4. No, it's a poor and bankrupt country. Argentina is more in deep than the Belgrano.
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Postby Weronus » Wed Dec 17, 2014 12:30 am

Ashmoria wrote:
Weronus wrote:I'm going to Russia as a Dutchman in one week, should I be glad or worried?

don't exchange your money right away. do it a little at a time so you can ride the downward slide and get even more for your money.

where are you going in Russia?

Bashkortostan, maybe better to just use bankpas to get most actual exchange rate (and therefore probably best)
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Postby Laerod » Wed Dec 17, 2014 2:01 am

United Marxist Nations wrote:The underlined are American violations of the lease.

No they're not.

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Postby Herargon » Wed Dec 17, 2014 2:14 am

As a Dutchman, I feel pity for the politically moderate Russians, but I find that the Russian government deserves it for its asshole reaction and ideas about the plane that was shot down.
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Postby Calimera II » Wed Dec 17, 2014 2:41 am

Informationland wrote:
Calimera II wrote:1. "So lets make them suffer mooaaaar! Long live vulture capitalismmm heyyaaa!"
2. No
3. No
4. Selective Bankruptcy. Not bankruptcy.


1. Yes and this is only the beginning.
3. Yes.
3. Yes.
4. No, it's a poor and bankrupt country. Argentina is more in deep than the Belgrano.


1. You wanting vulture capitalism says enough.
2. Stop saying Bullshit.
3. :roll:
4. Your flamebaiting failed miserably.

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Postby Sebastianbourg » Wed Dec 17, 2014 3:03 am

With the current interest rates in Russia it may be the appropriate time to take a gamble there.

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Informationland
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Postby Informationland » Wed Dec 17, 2014 3:29 am

Calimera II wrote:1. You wanting vulture capitalism says enough.
2. Stop saying Bullshit.
3. :roll:
4. Your flamebaiting failed miserably.


1. I don't vulture capitalism. I want sanctions on Russia and I want Argentina to pay its debt.
2. Shouldn't have voted for Putin.
3. You feel empatethic because your country is as poor as Russia, but your feelings won't help. The West will show Russia who's boss.
4. It wasn't flamebaiting. The Belgrano was an enemy ship in British territorial waters. I'm glad it was sunk.
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Postby Calimera II » Wed Dec 17, 2014 3:32 am

Informationland wrote:
Calimera II wrote:1. You wanting vulture capitalism says enough.
2. Stop saying Bullshit.
3. :roll:
4. Your flamebaiting failed miserably.



3. You feel empatethic because your country is as poor as Russia, but your feelings won't help. The West will show Russia who's boss.
4. It wasn't flamebaiting. The Belgrano was an enemy ship in British territorial waters. I'm glad it was sunk.


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Postby Informationland » Wed Dec 17, 2014 3:32 am

Calimera II wrote:
Informationland wrote:

3. You feel empatethic because your country is as poor as Russia, but your feelings won't help. The West will show Russia who's boss.
4. It wasn't flamebaiting. The Belgrano was an enemy ship in British territorial waters. I'm glad it was sunk.


:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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Postby Pola » Wed Dec 17, 2014 3:34 am

Poor Russians... they are the victims of Putin.
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Postby Informationland » Wed Dec 17, 2014 3:35 am

Pola wrote:Poor Russians... they are the victims of Putin.


They are victims of themselves, for voting for Putin.
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Postby The balkens » Wed Dec 17, 2014 3:38 am

Pola wrote:Poor Russians... they are the victims of Putin.


indeed.

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Postby Pola » Wed Dec 17, 2014 3:50 am

Informationland wrote:
Pola wrote:Poor Russians... they are the victims of Putin.


They are victims of themselves, for voting for Putin.


Because Putin is so powerfull... all media in Russia are his property!
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Postby Omorov-Nier » Wed Dec 17, 2014 4:47 am

Informationland wrote:
Pola wrote:Poor Russians... they are the victims of Putin.


They are victims of themselves, for voting for Putin.


Yes, they totally saw this coming when they voted for Putin.
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Postby Informationland » Wed Dec 17, 2014 4:47 am

Omorov-Nier wrote:
Informationland wrote:
They are victims of themselves, for voting for Putin.


Yes, they totally saw this coming when they voted for Putin.


Yes
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Postby Omorov-Nier » Wed Dec 17, 2014 4:50 am

Informationland wrote:
Omorov-Nier wrote:
Yes, they totally saw this coming when they voted for Putin.


Yes


Hindsight is a wonderful thing.
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Postby Laerod » Wed Dec 17, 2014 4:58 am

Omorov-Nier wrote:
Informationland wrote:
Yes


Hindsight is a wonderful thing.

Putin's autocratic and darwinist attitude towards international politics isn't news.

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Postby Ravenflight » Wed Dec 17, 2014 6:01 am

If was russia was to turn into a modern Weimar Republic does anyone have an idea of who the leader of the new russia would be? The military is to loyal, the KGB no longer exists and what is left of it is weak compared to the CIA. Anyone else got ideas?
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Postby Saiwania » Wed Dec 17, 2014 6:24 am

Second Blazing wrote:A strong Russia is not a good thing though, we want a weak, isolationist Russia that sells their resources cheaply.


I think I would take a strong Russia over a strong China.
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Postby Fortschritte » Wed Dec 17, 2014 6:24 am

Saiwania wrote:
Second Blazing wrote:A strong Russia is not a good thing though, we want a weak, isolationist Russia that sells their resources cheaply.


I think I would take a strong Russia over a strong China.


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