Boo To Age Restrictions

[Barzan]

In Connecticut, you have to be at least 16 to operate a motor vehicle(a multi-ton conglomeration of steel and glass) on public roads with thousands of other people in any weather at any time of day or night without restriction. However, you have to be 18 to operate a deli slicer because you might cut off your thumb.

It's probably not the same people making each law.

If it is, then they are retarded, though.

I'd imagine that the latter regulation is there for WCB and liability reasons. If you get in an automobile crash, you have your own insurance. If you cut your thumb off at work, then the state and/or the company have to pay for it. The burden is placed on them instead of on you and your family.

It's all about money.

[Allbeama]

In Connecticut, you have to be at least 16 to operate a motor vehicle(a multi-ton conglomeration of steel and glass) on public roads with thousands of other people in any weather at any time of day or night without restriction. However, you have to be 18 to operate a deli slicer because you might cut off your thumb.

A metal box on wheels powered by explosions is obviously far safer than a deli slicer.

When you put it like that, I'm convinced.

This line of conversation is an epic win in mah book.

[Dazchan]

Also, here's an interesting story I read today about children engaging in life saving behavior in Australia. And some people say that 11-year-olds don't possess the physical or cognitive capabilities necessary to save lives? These 8-year-olds certainly did.

So a couple of eight year olds pulled a body out of the water (aided, of course, by the fact that the human body is very bouyant - I can lift my 130kg boyfriend when he's submerged) and this means they have the stamina to perform rapid-fire chest compressions (not to mention, as I and others have said in the past, the physical strength to compress deeply enough) for an undetermined period of time?

Surf rescue is not the same as first aid.

So lets say this 11 year old cant. What differences does it make ?
An 11 year old trained in CPR is not going to deprive a dying man of an adult trained in CPR.
The natural reaction of both children and adults is when it is an emergency let the adult do it.
A child trained in CPR can only be a good thing, there is no negative consequences because an adult will naturally take over in those sorts of situations.

Um... I can't follow your reasoning. We should allow children to train in CPR because they'll naturally let adults do it instead? Why bother training them in the first place, then? Why not wait until they're old enough to do it?

No he was saying train them in CPR in case there are no trained adults to handle it. A child trained in CPR is better than nothing.

Given that most aren't physically able to perform the compression, I'd say it's equal to nothing. If the compression isn't deep enough, it's not going to work.

Also, did you know that it's actually illegal to stop CPR once it's started, unless someone else takes over or a medical professional intervenes? An ambulance can take quite some time to arrive. Would any eleven year old you know have the stamina to go on that long?

[Vrolondia]

Want to learn basic first aid at a relitivly young age?
Swimming lessons. I dont know about where you live, but when I was around 11/13ish I was learning basic First aid like CPR, how to stop chocking, the right procedure, ect from Swimming lessons o-O

[Tangomania]

You will know and understand why when you are older!

[Mean Feat]

From the St. John's website, conditions of participating in a Senior First Aid course:

Prerequisite
Participants must be 14 years or older. Participants under 14 years must provide written permission to attend the course from their parent or legal guardian.

(If the link doesn't work, go to it's parent page St John's Queensland and click on 'read more' under 'book a First Aid course').

The first and second sentences contradict each other. The rule could be read either way.

Therefore, it is worth calling another office (Towoomba or Gold Coast) and seeing if you get a different answer. Or call the State office.

If you really want to throw your weight around like an adult, apply in writing.

Check what it Saint Johns South Australia says not Queensland.

Silly me, Whyalla SA not Wyalla Qld.

I looked at the stjohnsa.com.au but I couldn't find any specific age requirement. Booking a course requires registration on the site, and where that asks for age no year after 1995 can be selected, so I guess 14 is the minimum.

Still worth trying again I would say. The staffer the OP talked to might just never have heard that question before ...

[Mean Feat]

Also, here's an interesting story I read today about children engaging in life saving behavior in Australia. And some people say that 11-year-olds don't possess the physical or cognitive capabilities necessary to save lives? These 8-year-olds certainly did.

So a couple of eight year olds pulled a body out of the water (aided, of course, by the fact that the human body is very bouyant - I can lift my 130kg boyfriend when he's submerged) and this means they have the stamina to perform rapid-fire chest compressions (not to mention, as I and others have said in the past, the physical strength to compress deeply enough) for an undetermined period of time?

Surf rescue is not the same as first aid.

So lets say this 11 year old cant. What differences does it make ?
An 11 year old trained in CPR is not going to deprive a dying man of an adult trained in CPR.
The natural reaction of both children and adults is when it is an emergency let the adult do it.
A child trained in CPR can only be a good thing, there is no negative consequences because an adult will naturally take over in those sorts of situations.

Um... I can't follow your reasoning. We should allow children to train in CPR because they'll naturally let adults do it instead? Why bother training them in the first place, then? Why not wait until they're old enough to do it?

No he was saying train them in CPR in case there are no trained adults to handle it. A child trained in CPR is better than nothing.

Given that most aren't physically able to perform the compression, I'd say it's equal to nothing. If the compression isn't deep enough, it's not going to work.

How do you think that would play, if a very small adult did every part of the training properly and could perform CPR on many people but not really big ones? Would you refuse them certification because they aren't physically capable of it in every case?

Some 11-year-olds are bigger than some adults. Much bigger, even.

Mental competence and maturity of judgement are good reasons not to certify an 11-year old, and the trainer wouldn't certify them if they couldn't remember the technique or behaved immaturely in the class. Their physical size (which you are only guessing at anyway) is NOT a good reason.

Also, did you know that it's actually illegal to stop CPR once it's started, unless someone else takes over or a medical professional intervenes? An ambulance can take quite some time to arrive. Would any eleven year old you know have the stamina to go on that long?

And if they couldn't? You think a cop's going to bust them for trying until they collapse in exhaustion?

[Blouman Empire]

Silly me, Whyalla SA not Wyalla Qld.

I looked at the stjohnsa.com.au but I couldn't find any specific age requirement. Booking a course requires registration on the site, and where that asks for age no year after 1995 can be selected, so I guess 14 is the minimum.

Still worth trying again I would say. The staffer the OP talked to might just never have heard that question before ...

Oh there is a Wyalla in Queensland, weird.

[Greed and Death]

Also, here's an interesting story I read today about children engaging in life saving behavior in Australia. And some people say that 11-year-olds don't possess the physical or cognitive capabilities necessary to save lives? These 8-year-olds certainly did.

So a couple of eight year olds pulled a body out of the water (aided, of course, by the fact that the human body is very bouyant - I can lift my 130kg boyfriend when he's submerged) and this means they have the stamina to perform rapid-fire chest compressions (not to mention, as I and others have said in the past, the physical strength to compress deeply enough) for an undetermined period of time?

Surf rescue is not the same as first aid.

So lets say this 11 year old cant. What differences does it make ?
An 11 year old trained in CPR is not going to deprive a dying man of an adult trained in CPR.
The natural reaction of both children and adults is when it is an emergency let the adult do it.
A child trained in CPR can only be a good thing, there is no negative consequences because an adult will naturally take over in those sorts of situations.

Um... I can't follow your reasoning. We should allow children to train in CPR because they'll naturally let adults do it instead? Why bother training them in the first place, then? Why not wait until they're old enough to do it?

No he was saying train them in CPR in case there are no trained adults to handle it. A child trained in CPR is better than nothing.

Given that most aren't physically able to perform the compression, I'd say it's equal to nothing. If the compression isn't deep enough, it's not going to work.

Also, did you know that it's actually illegal to stop CPR once it's started, unless someone else takes over or a medical professional intervenes? An ambulance can take quite some time to arrive. Would any eleven year old you know have the stamina to go on that long?

A that depends on the child I know some pretty strong 11 year olds. Also the compressions aren't as hard as you think if you do them right its your weight that does the work. The exhaustion you feel is aerobic in nature not muscular.
B. when performing compression on a child you use shallower compressions because they are smaller. An 11 year old would be more then able to perform said compressions on his peers. You know the ones he would most likely have to perform them on.

C they can perform mouth the mouth alone, you know there are times when the heart is still beating but there is no breathing. You would then perform rescue breathing alone. You don't need to be strong to breath.

D. Your legally allowed to stop CPR when your no longer physically capable of it. If an 11 year old could not continue due to exhaustion then he is at no risk of legal liability.

[Velka Morava]

Also, here's an interesting story I read today about children engaging in life saving behavior in Australia. And some people say that 11-year-olds don't possess the physical or cognitive capabilities necessary to save lives? These 8-year-olds certainly did.

So a couple of eight year olds pulled a body out of the water (aided, of course, by the fact that the human body is very bouyant - I can lift my 130kg boyfriend when he's submerged) and this means they have the stamina to perform rapid-fire chest compressions (not to mention, as I and others have said in the past, the physical strength to compress deeply enough) for an undetermined period of time?

Surf rescue is not the same as first aid.

So lets say this 11 year old cant. What differences does it make ?
An 11 year old trained in CPR is not going to deprive a dying man of an adult trained in CPR.
The natural reaction of both children and adults is when it is an emergency let the adult do it.
A child trained in CPR can only be a good thing, there is no negative consequences because an adult will naturally take over in those sorts of situations.

Um... I can't follow your reasoning. We should allow children to train in CPR because they'll naturally let adults do it instead? Why bother training them in the first place, then? Why not wait until they're old enough to do it?

No he was saying train them in CPR in case there are no trained adults to handle it. A child trained in CPR is better than nothing.

Given that most aren't physically able to perform the compression, I'd say it's equal to nothing. If the compression isn't deep enough, it's not going to work.

Also, did you know that it's actually illegal to stop CPR once it's started, unless someone else takes over or a medical professional intervenes? An ambulance can take quite some time to arrive. Would any eleven year old you know have the stamina to go on that long?

A that depends on the child I know some pretty strong 11 year olds. Also the compressions aren't as hard as you think if you do them right its your weight that does the work. The exhaustion you feel is aerobic in nature not muscular.
B. when performing compression on a child you use shallower compressions because they are smaller. An 11 year old would be more then able to perform said compressions on his peers. You know the ones he would most likely have to perform them on.

C they can perform mouth the mouth alone, you know there are times when the heart is still beating but there is no breathing. You would then perform rescue breathing alone. You don't need to be strong to breath.

D. Your legally allowed to stop CPR when your no longer physically capable of it. If an 11 year old could not continue due to exhaustion then he is at no risk of legal liability.

This ^
And let me add that I know a whole category of 8-11 years old that do have the stamina to perform a CPR for around 15 minutes. Competitive swimmers (Italian category: Esordienti B). Kids that can swim 200m breaststroke in 3.04.00. Kids that train 2-3 hours a day every day except saturday and sunday (when they race each other).