Is the term "Judeo-Christianity" a false narrative?

[Anglo-California]

If Christians are Jewish, does that mean I can call you Jewish? Archeuland and Baughistan is not a Christian fundamentalist, he is a Jewish fundamentalist! No?

Ah, but Jews are merely a sect of Christianity. Or, if you prefer, Christianity a popular sect of Judaism. They are synonymous, in truth.

Lol. Christianity purged itself of Semitic influences in the Middle Ages when the Church adopted a bunch of European pagan things.

[Benuty]

Ah, but Jews are merely a sect of Christianity. Or, if you prefer, Christianity a popular sect of Judaism. They are synonymous, in truth.

Lol. Christianity purged itself of Semitic influences in the Middle Ages when the Church adopted a bunch of European pagan things.

Late Roman, and Medieval actually .

[Dalcaria]

I think the term Judeo-Christian isn't particularly accurate given that you could lump in Islam to that (they mention Jesus at least once to my knowledge, possibly more) since the Koran takes many things from both the Bible (or gospels if you will) and the Torah I believe. I think the most inclusive term is "Abrahamic Faiths", since it covers our most unifying point really. Personally I've got nothing against Jews or Muslims, I'm Christian certainly, but I hold no hot or cold feelings for them. Actually, I have a lot of respect for Muslims in some ways, though not in the sense I would become one. But yeah, the term Judeo-Christian kind of is outdated, unless you're covering things primarily pertaining to the Old Testament, but if that's covered in the Koran, then I'm really not sure Judeo-Christian is still accurate there. As a cultural term Judeo-Christian might work, but in a religious sense probably not.

[Utceforp]

If Christians are Jewish, does that mean I can call you Jewish? Archeuland and Baughistan is not a Christian fundamentalist, he is a Jewish fundamentalist! No?

Ah, but Jews are merely a sect of Christianity. Or, if you prefer, Christianity a popular sect of Judaism. They are synonymous, in truth.

What does that make Islam, then?

[Archeuland and Baughistan]

Jews and Christians have the same God as well,

So do Muslims.

The Muslim god is an idol invented by Mohammed.

[Benuty]

Ah, but Jews are merely a sect of Christianity. Or, if you prefer, Christianity a popular sect of Judaism. They are synonymous, in truth.

What does that make Islam, then?

That would make him a fundamentalist muslim .

[Utceforp]

So do Muslims.

The Muslim god is an idol invented by Mohammed.

Again, Muslims believe in the same god that Christians and Jews do. As someone else said previously in this thread, Arabic Christians pray to "Allah".

[Benuty]

The Muslim god is an idol invented by Mohammed.

Again, Muslims believe in the same god that Christians and Jews do. As someone else said previously in this thread, Arabic Christians pray to "Allah".

Discounting the God of Trinitarian Christians...since the Trinity is idolatry to Muslims.

[Dalcaria]

So do Muslims.

The Muslim god is an idol invented by Mohammed.

No, you obviously don't seem to understand Islam. Mohammed did not "invent" any God, he claimed to be a prophet of the Abrahamic God (Christian God and Jewish God), and that is where Islam comes from, his teachings that he claimed came from God. Now whether or not you believe him is entirely up to you (I myself am Christian, so that pretty obviously defines how I feel), but the Koran is based off of both (to my knowledge) Judaism and vaguely Christianity (Jesus is mentioned as a prophet of God, not his son).

[Menassa]

"Judeo-Christian" is a term compiled for the political purposes of proposing a supposed common ethical system between Judaism, and Christianity. An example often seen displayed in certain spaces for all to see are the statues of the "Ten Commandments". A set of civil commandments which are presented under a vague enough glass to be seen as appropriate on government space. The problem being is the fact they knowingly leave out the other set of ten (ritual commandments) in the same book of Exodus. So that is twenty commandments in total that people seem to ignore. Of-course I feel I don't need to mention the totality of the 613 commandments many in Judaism recognize. So at best this is not only hypocritical to say they have the same code of ethics it is patently false.

This supposed narrative has been used to justify several things which if not glossed over by long standing tradition would be seen as unconstitutional by the majority of people. The term has gained a resurgence in the 1990's due to the so called "Culture Wars" between uneducated & stagnant traditionalists fighting against change promoted by those labeled as "Secularists". Which is frankly a delusional attempt to give a blanket term to put all the ideas they don't like under some sort of bed to be identified as a monster. The national motto of the US "In God we trust" is a blanket use of this term to represent a mythical comparative. Of-course it is a blatantly unconstitutional move from the 1950's by people who generalized communism as "Godless".

Since 9/11 the term has exploded into a frenzy due to its constant repetition by conservatives claiming the traditional values of the US are under fire. They certainly are under fire...except it isn't the values of "Judeo-Christianity" instead it is the values of rationalism, exploration, and pluralism. Another favorite proponents of "Judeo-Christianity" like to use is that their values are the basis of all realms of U.S law. This is complete, and total bullshit as it claims the multiple civilizations which set up the basis for US law in reality aren't important. Therefore my friends let us take up the mantle to find the primordial birthing peak of which it began in the US.

If the term "Judeo-Christianity" were to represent a common path between both Judaism, and Christianity across the world it has failed immensely. The term has been spawned, and fed by the milk of bullshit of the heavily political Protestant factions of the US. It pretends to have ties to other Christian branch yet only gives them trinket recognition. The same could be said with the majority of Jewish sects (if not all). This terms implies some sort of "Religiously favorist America" in which is under total domination by these "declared" set of values. If such a U.S were to exist in practicality in would resemble something out of a work of dystopic fiction. As a result there is a faction of people aka the pseudo Christian Right. It also serves an excuse towards the utter apathy or hypocrisy given toward those in the "third world".

Of-course then comes yet another problem with "Judeo-Christianity" aside from it that it is incredibly favoristic. While attempts at interfaith relations have occurred this narrative often limits it self to only three of the Abrahamic faiths (without even bothering to appeal to the rest of the Abrahamic faiths) let alone the other branches. Judeo-Christianity of today due to its exclusive nature as a evangelical protestant ideal has adopted the belief of supporting Zionism without question (mostly). This has led to some nasty business, and rather unequal treatment in foreign aid (of any kind) to countries considering Israel gets a massive amount of aid from the US (weapons, financial aid, etc), and favors from the US Congress (such as not having to pay back the loans). Of-course this comes back as hypocritical since the US expects other nations to pay in due what they owe (and possibly more).

Therefore "Judeo-Christianity" is not only a false narrative, but it is an antiquated one from another century. It mostly supports ideals which should long be dead, and makes those who enforce it (mostly) seem like partakers of faggotry. It fails to support a true system of ethics, and comes out with a fraudulent history of the Western World (circa US origins & onwards). Not only that, but it is great at cherry picking, and poor at creating an actual dialogue between Christianity, and Judaism hell it doesn't even bother with other faiths. In final two religions which do not even have the same brand of deity despite being of the Abrahamic faiths cannot truly expect such a distorted view of reality to be in any shape or way as objective truth.

Basically is the term "Judeo-Christianity" is nonsense, but what do you think of it?

So what say you oh unleavened or leavened masses of NSG?

I suppose Ken Ham, and the league of Republican-Neocolonialist-Zionist Catholics will not be pleased.

It's an attack on this nation, that's what it is. People who say that we weren't founded on Judeo-Christian principles. No. Jews and Christians are synonymous.

That's a lie, Jews and Christians both have two entirely different concepts of God.

We both have the same Messiah.

That is another lie the Jews and Christians have two entirely different concepts of the Messiah.

The Jews were predicted to reject Christ at first, unknowingly, but they will accept Christ completely at His return.

According to the Jewish scriptures all will know of the Messiah when he arrives.

[Vazdaria]

"Judeo-Christian" is a term compiled for the political purposes of proposing a supposed common ethical system between Judaism, and Christianity. An example often seen displayed in certain spaces for all to see are the statues of the "Ten Commandments". A set of civil commandments which are presented under a vague enough glass to be seen as appropriate on government space. The problem being is the fact they knowingly leave out the other set of ten (ritual commandments) in the same book of Exodus. So that is twenty commandments in total that people seem to ignore. Of-course I feel I don't need to mention the totality of the 613 commandments many in Judaism recognize. So at best this is not only hypocritical to say they have the same code of ethics it is patently false.

This supposed narrative has been used to justify several things which if not glossed over by long standing tradition would be seen as unconstitutional by the majority of people. The term has gained a resurgence in the 1990's due to the so called "Culture Wars" between uneducated & stagnant traditionalists fighting against change promoted by those labeled as "Secularists". Which is frankly a delusional attempt to give a blanket term to put all the ideas they don't like under some sort of bed to be identified as a monster. The national motto of the US "In God we trust" is a blanket use of this term to represent a mythical comparative. Of-course it is a blatantly unconstitutional move from the 1950's by people who generalized communism as "Godless".

Since 9/11 the term has exploded into a frenzy due to its constant repetition by conservatives claiming the traditional values of the US are under fire. They certainly are under fire...except it isn't the values of "Judeo-Christianity" instead it is the values of rationalism, exploration, and pluralism. Another favorite proponents of "Judeo-Christianity" like to use is that their values are the basis of all realms of U.S law. This is complete, and total bullshit as it claims the multiple civilizations which set up the basis for US law in reality aren't important. Therefore my friends let us take up the mantle to find the primordial birthing peak of which it began in the US.

If the term "Judeo-Christianity" were to represent a common path between both Judaism, and Christianity across the world it has failed immensely. The term has been spawned, and fed by the milk of bullshit of the heavily political Protestant factions of the US. It pretends to have ties to other Christian branch yet only gives them trinket recognition. The same could be said with the majority of Jewish sects (if not all). This terms implies some sort of "Religiously favorist America" in which is under total domination by these "declared" set of values. If such a U.S were to exist in practicality in would resemble something out of a work of dystopic fiction. As a result there is a faction of people aka the pseudo Christian Right. It also serves an excuse towards the utter apathy or hypocrisy given toward those in the "third world".

Of-course then comes yet another problem with "Judeo-Christianity" aside from it that it is incredibly favoristic. While attempts at interfaith relations have occurred this narrative often limits it self to only three of the Abrahamic faiths (without even bothering to appeal to the rest of the Abrahamic faiths) let alone the other branches. Judeo-Christianity of today due to its exclusive nature as a evangelical protestant ideal has adopted the belief of supporting Zionism without question (mostly). This has led to some nasty business, and rather unequal treatment in foreign aid (of any kind) to countries considering Israel gets a massive amount of aid from the US (weapons, financial aid, etc), and favors from the US Congress (such as not having to pay back the loans). Of-course this comes back as hypocritical since the US expects other nations to pay in due what they owe (and possibly more).

Therefore "Judeo-Christianity" is not only a false narrative, but it is an antiquated one from another century. It mostly supports ideals which should long be dead, and makes those who enforce it (mostly) seem like partakers of faggotry. It fails to support a true system of ethics, and comes out with a fraudulent history of the Western World (circa US origins & onwards). Not only that, but it is great at cherry picking, and poor at creating an actual dialogue between Christianity, and Judaism hell it doesn't even bother with other faiths. In final two religions which do not even have the same brand of deity despite being of the Abrahamic faiths cannot truly expect such a distorted view of reality to be in any shape or way as objective truth.

Basically is the term "Judeo-Christianity" is nonsense, but what do you think of it?

So what say you oh unleavened or leavened masses of NSG?

I suppose Ken Ham, and the league of Republican-Neocolonialist-Zionist Catholics will not be pleased.

Its completely asinine to use the term in most instances as the religions are VERY distinct from each other.

[Rio de Fuego]

So do Muslims.

Debatable.

Muslims sure given they turn Isa (Jesus) into a far more human figure who will serve as a sort of helper to Allah, and rule temporarily over the Ummah (nation of believers).

Isn't that purely a Shia concept?

[Americanada]

If Christians are Jewish, does that mean I can call you Jewish? Archeuland and Baughistan is not a Christian fundamentalist, he is a Jewish fundamentalist! No?

Ah, but Jews are merely a sect of Christianity. Or, if you prefer, Christianity a popular sect of Judaism. They are synonymous, in truth.

"Ah, but the Whig Party is merely a caucus of the Democratic Party. Or, if you prefer, the Democratic Party is a popular caucus of the Whig Party. They are synonymous, in truth."

"Ah, but Homo Erectus are merely a species of Homo Sapiens. Or, if you prefer, Homo Sapiens is a popular species of Homo Erectus. They are synonymous, in truth."

"Ah, but British are merely a part of America. Or, if you prefer, America is a popular part of Britain. They are synonymous, in truth."

[Meryuma]

If Christians are Jewish, does that mean I can call you Jewish? Archeuland and Baughistan is not a Christian fundamentalist, he is a Jewish fundamentalist! No?

Ah, but Jews are merely a sect of Christianity. Or, if you prefer, Christianity a popular sect of Judaism. They are synonymous, in truth.

Except the concept of a human being God is essentially blasphemy in Judaism. Christians believe that God is three and that one among those three is a human being, whereas Jews believe that God is one indivisible and boundless incorporeal entity. Christians believe that the purpose of the Messiah is to die for mankind's sins; Jews believe that the purpose of the Messiah is to rebuild the temple and usher in an era of peace on earth. Christians believe in eternal punishment after death; Jews believe that redemption is a continuous process in this life and the next and that religion should be focused around living righteously on Earth. Christians place faith and forgiveness above moral judgment of works; Jews traditionally adhere to 613 mitzvot and discourage proselytization. Judaism is not yours.

So do Muslims.

The Muslim god is an idol invented by Mohammed.

Even though doctrinally Islam is for the most part a fusion of Jewish strictures, ritual practices and strict monotheism with Christian focus on proselytization and eternal judgment? Even though "Allah" in Arabic is a non-specific term translating literally as "the god" and shared by both Christians and Muslims? Even though Jesus and Moses are prophets in the Qu'ran? Even though Muhammad acommodated Christians and Jews while killing idolaters all over the place?

You know nothing of Judaism, but even less of Islam.

[Rio de Fuego]

"Judeo-Christian" is a term compiled for the political purposes of proposing a supposed common ethical system between Judaism, and Christianity. An example often seen displayed in certain spaces for all to see are the statues of the "Ten Commandments". A set of civil commandments which are presented under a vague enough glass to be seen as appropriate on government space. The problem being is the fact they knowingly leave out the other set of ten (ritual commandments) in the same book of Exodus. So that is twenty commandments in total that people seem to ignore. Of-course I feel I don't need to mention the totality of the 613 commandments many in Judaism recognize. So at best this is not only hypocritical to say they have the same code of ethics it is patently false.

This supposed narrative has been used to justify several things which if not glossed over by long standing tradition would be seen as unconstitutional by the majority of people. The term has gained a resurgence in the 1990's due to the so called "Culture Wars" between uneducated & stagnant traditionalists fighting against change promoted by those labeled as "Secularists". Which is frankly a delusional attempt to give a blanket term to put all the ideas they don't like under some sort of bed to be identified as a monster. The national motto of the US "In God we trust" is a blanket use of this term to represent a mythical comparative. Of-course it is a blatantly unconstitutional move from the 1950's by people who generalized communism as "Godless".

Since 9/11 the term has exploded into a frenzy due to its constant repetition by conservatives claiming the traditional values of the US are under fire. They certainly are under fire...except it isn't the values of "Judeo-Christianity" instead it is the values of rationalism, exploration, and pluralism. Another favorite proponents of "Judeo-Christianity" like to use is that their values are the basis of all realms of U.S law. This is complete, and total bullshit as it claims the multiple civilizations which set up the basis for US law in reality aren't important. Therefore my friends let us take up the mantle to find the primordial birthing peak of which it began in the US.

If the term "Judeo-Christianity" were to represent a common path between both Judaism, and Christianity across the world it has failed immensely. The term has been spawned, and fed by the milk of bullshit of the heavily political Protestant factions of the US. It pretends to have ties to other Christian branch yet only gives them trinket recognition. The same could be said with the majority of Jewish sects (if not all). This terms implies some sort of "Religiously favorist America" in which is under total domination by these "declared" set of values. If such a U.S were to exist in practicality in would resemble something out of a work of dystopic fiction. As a result there is a faction of people aka the pseudo Christian Right. It also serves an excuse towards the utter apathy or hypocrisy given toward those in the "third world".

Of-course then comes yet another problem with "Judeo-Christianity" aside from it that it is incredibly favoristic. While attempts at interfaith relations have occurred this narrative often limits it self to only three of the Abrahamic faiths (without even bothering to appeal to the rest of the Abrahamic faiths) let alone the other branches. Judeo-Christianity of today due to its exclusive nature as a evangelical protestant ideal has adopted the belief of supporting Zionism without question (mostly). This has led to some nasty business, and rather unequal treatment in foreign aid (of any kind) to countries considering Israel gets a massive amount of aid from the US (weapons, financial aid, etc), and favors from the US Congress (such as not having to pay back the loans). Of-course this comes back as hypocritical since the US expects other nations to pay in due what they owe (and possibly more).

Therefore "Judeo-Christianity" is not only a false narrative, but it is an antiquated one from another century. It mostly supports ideals which should long be dead, and makes those who enforce it (mostly) seem like partakers of faggotry. It fails to support a true system of ethics, and comes out with a fraudulent history of the Western World (circa US origins & onwards). Not only that, but it is great at cherry picking, and poor at creating an actual dialogue between Christianity, and Judaism hell it doesn't even bother with other faiths. In final two religions which do not even have the same brand of deity despite being of the Abrahamic faiths cannot truly expect such a distorted view of reality to be in any shape or way as objective truth.

Basically is the term "Judeo-Christianity" is nonsense, but what do you think of it?

So what say you oh unleavened or leavened masses of NSG?

I suppose Ken Ham, and the league of Republican-Neocolonialist-Zionist Catholics will not be pleased.

Its completely asinine to use the term in most instances as the religions are VERY distinct from each other.

I see it as useful when referring to things relating to the old testament, as it is revered by Jews and Christians alike.

[MERIZoC]

Going off something someone said earlier, when people talk about America's "Judeo-Christian heritage", it's not meant to exclude Muslims. Rather, the reason it's only Judeo-Christian is because there is no real long running Islamic heritage in the US.

But there's Jewish heritage?

[MERIZoC]

So do Muslims.

The Muslim god is an idol invented by Mohammed.

Funny, since Muhammed was very much against iconoclasm. No, it's the same god as in Judaism and Christianity.

[Murkwood]

Going off something someone said earlier, when people talk about America's "Judeo-Christian heritage", it's not meant to exclude Muslims. Rather, the reason it's only Judeo-Christian is because there is no real long running Islamic heritage in the US.

But there's Jewish heritage?

Yes.

[Murkwood]

So do Muslims.

The Muslim god is an idol invented by Mohammed.

I have to disagree. Muslims worship the same God as Christians and Jews, the God of Abraham. They don't accept the Messiah, but they still worship the same God.

[MERIZoC]

But there's Jewish heritage?

Yes.

Do tell, then.

The Muslim god is an idol invented by Mohammed.

I have to disagree. Muslims worship the same God as Christians and Jews, the God of Abraham. They don't accept the Messiah, but they still worship the same God.

Actually, they do. Muslims believe that Jesus (Isa) was a prophet, they just don't believe that he represented the full power of God.

[The Union of the West]

The Muslim god is an idol invented by Mohammed.

I have to disagree. Muslims worship the same God as Christians and Jews, the God of Abraham. They don't accept the Messiah, but they still worship the same God.

Do they? The Christian God is three persons, a Trinity. The other two religions see God as one indivisible being.

[Benuty]

I have to disagree. Muslims worship the same God as Christians and Jews, the God of Abraham. They don't accept the Messiah, but they still worship the same God.

Do they? The Christian God is three persons, a Trinity. The other two religions see God as one indivisible being.

Not entirely on the first part.

There are Christians who outright reject the trinity or are binitarians, and of course there are Unitarians.

[Immoren]

Do they? The Christian God is three persons, a Trinity. The other two religions see God as one indivisible being.

Not entirely on the first part.

There are Christians who outright reject the trinity or are binitarians, and of course there are Unitarians.

And then there are atheist Christians

[Benuty]

Not entirely on the first part.

There are Christians who outright reject the trinity or are binitarians, and of course there are Unitarians.

And then there are atheist Christians

Oh you mean Jesus Christ?

Of-course on reddit some people had the nerve to believe Marcion of Sinope was an....atheist who somehow constructed the first of the Christian testaments.

[Herskerstad]

The Muslim god is an idol invented by Mohammed.

I have to disagree. Muslims worship the same God as Christians and Jews, the God of Abraham. They don't accept the Messiah, but they still worship the same God.

Do you think the same God in the bible do the same things as the Allah of the Quran?