Is the term "Judeo-Christianity" a false narrative?

[Jormengand]

There is some value in referring to characteristics specific to the Judeo-Christian god, as most Jews and most Christians agree on a small set of his characteristics. That said, you could just call him Yahweh or Jehovah to distinguish him from Allah (and any other god that might be thought of).

[Olerand]

Going off something someone said earlier, when people talk about America's "Judeo-Christian heritage", it's not meant to exclude Muslims. Rather, the reason it's only Judeo-Christian is because there is no real long running Islamic heritage in the US.

Nor Jewish.

And most of the Christian influence came in the 19th century, especially with the Great Awakening or whatever that was called.

Also, Mormonism, that quintessential American cult religion.

[Murkwood]

Going off something someone said earlier, when people talk about America's "Judeo-Christian heritage", it's not meant to exclude Muslims. Rather, the reason it's only Judeo-Christian is because there is no real long running Islamic heritage in the US.

Nor Jewish.

And most of the Christian influence came in the 19th century, especially with the Great Awakening or whatever that was called.

Also, Mormonism, that quintessential American cult religion.

Mormonism is heretical bullshit.

[Olerand]

Mormonism is heretical bullshit.

I think it's a quasi-cult, not a heresy, but sure.

It is quintessentially American, however. It believes America is the holy land. Jesus is coming back there. But, like why?

[Murkwood]

Mormonism is heretical bullshit.

I think it's a quasi-cult, not a heresy, but sure.

It is quintessentially American, however. It believes America is the holy land. Jesus is coming back there. But, like why?

Because it's Populist garbage.

[Conserative Morality]

Because it's Populist garbage.

So, Christianity?

[Gwrachbyd]

personally I've always prefered the term "Abrahamic religion" as it covers christianity, judaism and islam the three of which have the same origin as well as their 100s of subgroups (400 of which are christian) (islam developed from christianity as christianity developed from judaism which supposidly originated with abraham) the only real diffrence between the three is which laws they choose to follow and which they disregard (which considering that all three consider what is essentally the same book to be the word of god and thus must be true.... well do I need to say more).... which as someone of a non abrahamic faith I've always found amusing, for hundreds of years the three groups have killed one another all over arguments over who is right and who is wrong, or claiming the other is immoral because the choose not to follow certain rules (christians being the biggest offender in this regard as most modern christians don't follow most of the laws laid down in the bible some of which were stated as being among the most offensive things in god's eyes. which I've always found strange considering that they claim it's god's for example teh bible states it's offensive to god to cut one's hair or shave, have peircings, tatoos or even be curcumcised...yet people get curcumcised for religious reasons...WTF?!?!?!?)


ps: just to clarify a point, jews follow the old testiment, christians, added the new testiment while muhammad added his revelations to the christian bible of the time (the current christian bible has been hevily chainged with several entire books being removed and some liberties taken with translation)

[Narland]

It is a term coined by Nietzsche to describe that vein in Christianity derived from Judaism that found its way into Western Civilization in the form of ethical stardards which (in his opinion) needed to be superceded. It was popularized by Eisenhower and applied to the cultural heritage of the United States that derived its ethics from the Golden Rule (Jesus Christ) and the 10 commandments (Moses) as being essential to preservation of liberty, justice, and peace. As American society in the 20th century transformed away from the teaching these principles as a mater of public order (as in the 18th and 19th centuries) to one of open hostility to them (in the late 20th), the cultural conservatives used the term as a basis of consensus for their worldview (theistic) as something they shared in common in spite of their religious and political differences.
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Before the mid-20th century nearly every public school taught the Bible and began the day with prayer. The Golden Rule and the 10 Commandments were posted on the walls next to the Declaration of Independence and the Constituiton/Bill of Rights. One could say to a child in the US, "Be good." and that child knew what you meant because the ubiquitous frame of reference was "be good according to the 10 Commandments and the Golden rule."

Those raised in the 21st Century have no frame of reference for this. It sounds hollow. It is not a false narrative but a foreign narrative of essentially meaningless words that once had import.

[Meryuma]

There is some value in referring to characteristics specific to the Judeo-Christian god, as most Jews and most Christians agree on a small set of his characteristics. That said, you could just call him Yahweh or Jehovah to distinguish him from Allah (and any other god that might be thought of).

Allah is the same guy. Allah is Arabic for "the god". Arabic-speaking Christians pray to Allah.

One could say to a child in the US, "Be good." and that child knew what you meant because the ubiquitous frame of reference was "be good according to the 10 Commandments and the Golden rule."

The 10 commandments are pretty mediocre. Like half of them are theological rather than ethical in scope and the parts that do concern interpersonal ethics don't even condemn slavery or rape. They're also not really the center of Christian teaching (which is primarily defined by the Gospels) and are hardly the be-all, end all of Jewish teaching (seeing as the Torah in fact contains 613 commandments).

[Anglo-California]

Going off something someone said earlier, when people talk about America's "Judeo-Christian heritage", it's not meant to exclude Muslims. Rather, the reason it's only Judeo-Christian is because there is no real long running Islamic heritage in the US.

There isn't a Jewish one either.

[Anglo-California]

Going off something someone said earlier, when people talk about America's "Judeo-Christian heritage", it's not meant to exclude Muslims. Rather, the reason it's only Judeo-Christian is because there is no real long running Islamic heritage in the US.

Except for the part where there is a long-running Islamic heritage in the US, it's only been suppressed by...

Oh. Right. 'Judeo-Christian' ideas of the 'correct' history. Jews and Muslims have had about the same time in the US, but the former were largely white, skilled workers, and so gained influence. The latter were largely black or otherwise 'ethnic' unskilled workers, slaves, and refugees, so they've been excluded..

Where are Henry Ford, Charles Lindbergh, Father Coughlin when you need them?

[Conserative Morality]

Where are Henry Ford, Charles Lindbergh, Father Coughlin when you need them?

Dunno. Do antisemites go to hell, do you think, or is an eternity knowing that their God is a Jewish guy punishment enough?

[Archeuland and Baughistan]

"Judeo-Christian" is a term compiled for the political purposes of proposing a supposed common ethical system between Judaism, and Christianity. An example often seen displayed in certain spaces for all to see are the statues of the "Ten Commandments". A set of civil commandments which are presented under a vague enough glass to be seen as appropriate on government space. The problem being is the fact they knowingly leave out the other set of ten (ritual commandments) in the same book of Exodus. So that is twenty commandments in total that people seem to ignore. Of-course I feel I don't need to mention the totality of the 613 commandments many in Judaism recognize. So at best this is not only hypocritical to say they have the same code of ethics it is patently false.

This supposed narrative has been used to justify several things which if not glossed over by long standing tradition would be seen as unconstitutional by the majority of people. The term has gained a resurgence in the 1990's due to the so called "Culture Wars" between uneducated & stagnant traditionalists fighting against change promoted by those labeled as "Secularists". Which is frankly a delusional attempt to give a blanket term to put all the ideas they don't like under some sort of bed to be identified as a monster. The national motto of the US "In God we trust" is a blanket use of this term to represent a mythical comparative. Of-course it is a blatantly unconstitutional move from the 1950's by people who generalized communism as "Godless".

Since 9/11 the term has exploded into a frenzy due to its constant repetition by conservatives claiming the traditional values of the US are under fire. They certainly are under fire...except it isn't the values of "Judeo-Christianity" instead it is the values of rationalism, exploration, and pluralism. Another favorite proponents of "Judeo-Christianity" like to use is that their values are the basis of all realms of U.S law. This is complete, and total bullshit as it claims the multiple civilizations which set up the basis for US law in reality aren't important. Therefore my friends let us take up the mantle to find the primordial birthing peak of which it began in the US.

If the term "Judeo-Christianity" were to represent a common path between both Judaism, and Christianity across the world it has failed immensely. The term has been spawned, and fed by the milk of bullshit of the heavily political Protestant factions of the US. It pretends to have ties to other Christian branch yet only gives them trinket recognition. The same could be said with the majority of Jewish sects (if not all). This terms implies some sort of "Religiously favorist America" in which is under total domination by these "declared" set of values. If such a U.S were to exist in practicality in would resemble something out of a work of dystopic fiction. As a result there is a faction of people aka the pseudo Christian Right. It also serves an excuse towards the utter apathy or hypocrisy given toward those in the "third world".

Of-course then comes yet another problem with "Judeo-Christianity" aside from it that it is incredibly favoristic. While attempts at interfaith relations have occurred this narrative often limits it self to only three of the Abrahamic faiths (without even bothering to appeal to the rest of the Abrahamic faiths) let alone the other branches. Judeo-Christianity of today due to its exclusive nature as a evangelical protestant ideal has adopted the belief of supporting Zionism without question (mostly). This has led to some nasty business, and rather unequal treatment in foreign aid (of any kind) to countries considering Israel gets a massive amount of aid from the US (weapons, financial aid, etc), and favors from the US Congress (such as not having to pay back the loans). Of-course this comes back as hypocritical since the US expects other nations to pay in due what they owe (and possibly more).

Therefore "Judeo-Christianity" is not only a false narrative, but it is an antiquated one from another century. It mostly supports ideals which should long be dead, and makes those who enforce it (mostly) seem like partakers of faggotry. It fails to support a true system of ethics, and comes out with a fraudulent history of the Western World (circa US origins & onwards). Not only that, but it is great at cherry picking, and poor at creating an actual dialogue between Christianity, and Judaism hell it doesn't even bother with other faiths. In final two religions which do not even have the same brand of deity despite being of the Abrahamic faiths cannot truly expect such a distorted view of reality to be in any shape or way as objective truth.

Basically is the term "Judeo-Christianity" is nonsense, but what do you think of it?

So what say you oh unleavened or leavened masses of NSG?

I suppose Ken Ham, and the league of Republican-Neocolonialist-Zionist Catholics will not be pleased.

It's an attack on this nation, that's what it is. People who say that we weren't founded on Judeo-Christian principles. No. Jews and Christians are synonymous. We both have the same Messiah. We both serve the great God. The Jews were predicted to reject Christ at first, unknowingly, but they will accept Christ completely at His return.

[Geilinor]

"Judeo-Christian" is a term compiled for the political purposes of proposing a supposed common ethical system between Judaism, and Christianity. An example often seen displayed in certain spaces for all to see are the statues of the "Ten Commandments". A set of civil commandments which are presented under a vague enough glass to be seen as appropriate on government space. The problem being is the fact they knowingly leave out the other set of ten (ritual commandments) in the same book of Exodus. So that is twenty commandments in total that people seem to ignore. Of-course I feel I don't need to mention the totality of the 613 commandments many in Judaism recognize. So at best this is not only hypocritical to say they have the same code of ethics it is patently false.

This supposed narrative has been used to justify several things which if not glossed over by long standing tradition would be seen as unconstitutional by the majority of people. The term has gained a resurgence in the 1990's due to the so called "Culture Wars" between uneducated & stagnant traditionalists fighting against change promoted by those labeled as "Secularists". Which is frankly a delusional attempt to give a blanket term to put all the ideas they don't like under some sort of bed to be identified as a monster. The national motto of the US "In God we trust" is a blanket use of this term to represent a mythical comparative. Of-course it is a blatantly unconstitutional move from the 1950's by people who generalized communism as "Godless".

Since 9/11 the term has exploded into a frenzy due to its constant repetition by conservatives claiming the traditional values of the US are under fire. They certainly are under fire...except it isn't the values of "Judeo-Christianity" instead it is the values of rationalism, exploration, and pluralism. Another favorite proponents of "Judeo-Christianity" like to use is that their values are the basis of all realms of U.S law. This is complete, and total bullshit as it claims the multiple civilizations which set up the basis for US law in reality aren't important. Therefore my friends let us take up the mantle to find the primordial birthing peak of which it began in the US.

If the term "Judeo-Christianity" were to represent a common path between both Judaism, and Christianity across the world it has failed immensely. The term has been spawned, and fed by the milk of bullshit of the heavily political Protestant factions of the US. It pretends to have ties to other Christian branch yet only gives them trinket recognition. The same could be said with the majority of Jewish sects (if not all). This terms implies some sort of "Religiously favorist America" in which is under total domination by these "declared" set of values. If such a U.S were to exist in practicality in would resemble something out of a work of dystopic fiction. As a result there is a faction of people aka the pseudo Christian Right. It also serves an excuse towards the utter apathy or hypocrisy given toward those in the "third world".

Of-course then comes yet another problem with "Judeo-Christianity" aside from it that it is incredibly favoristic. While attempts at interfaith relations have occurred this narrative often limits it self to only three of the Abrahamic faiths (without even bothering to appeal to the rest of the Abrahamic faiths) let alone the other branches. Judeo-Christianity of today due to its exclusive nature as a evangelical protestant ideal has adopted the belief of supporting Zionism without question (mostly). This has led to some nasty business, and rather unequal treatment in foreign aid (of any kind) to countries considering Israel gets a massive amount of aid from the US (weapons, financial aid, etc), and favors from the US Congress (such as not having to pay back the loans). Of-course this comes back as hypocritical since the US expects other nations to pay in due what they owe (and possibly more).

Therefore "Judeo-Christianity" is not only a false narrative, but it is an antiquated one from another century. It mostly supports ideals which should long be dead, and makes those who enforce it (mostly) seem like partakers of faggotry. It fails to support a true system of ethics, and comes out with a fraudulent history of the Western World (circa US origins & onwards). Not only that, but it is great at cherry picking, and poor at creating an actual dialogue between Christianity, and Judaism hell it doesn't even bother with other faiths. In final two religions which do not even have the same brand of deity despite being of the Abrahamic faiths cannot truly expect such a distorted view of reality to be in any shape or way as objective truth.

Basically is the term "Judeo-Christianity" is nonsense, but what do you think of it?

So what say you oh unleavened or leavened masses of NSG?

I suppose Ken Ham, and the league of Republican-Neocolonialist-Zionist Catholics will not be pleased.

It's an attack on this nation, that's what it is. People who say that we weren't founded on Judeo-Christian principles. No. Jews and Christians are synonymous. We both have the same Messiah. We both serve the great God. The Jews were predicted to reject Christ at first, unknowingly, but they will accept Christ completely at His return.

If Christians are Jewish, does that mean I can call you Jewish? Archeuland and Baughistan is not a Christian fundamentalist, he is a Jewish fundamentalist! No?

[Benuty]

Going off something someone said earlier, when people talk about America's "Judeo-Christian heritage", it's not meant to exclude Muslims. Rather, the reason it's only Judeo-Christian is because there is no real long running Islamic heritage in the US.

There isn't a Jewish one either.

Debatable considering the South, and the Northeast had a nice history concerning Jewish minorities.

[Anglo-California]

Where are Henry Ford, Charles Lindbergh, Father Coughlin when you need them?

Dunno. Do antisemites go to hell, do you think, or is an eternity knowing that their God is a Jewish guy punishment enough?

>assuming heaven, hell, or god exist
>Implying that two great American heroes like Ford and Lindbergh would go to hell for their beliefs, completely overriding their other achievements. Coughlin maybe. He was a Catholic priest after all.

[Archeuland and Baughistan]

If Christians are Jewish, does that mean I can call you Jewish? Archeuland and Baughistan is not a Christian fundamentalist, he is a Jewish fundamentalist! No?

Ah, but Jews are merely a sect of Christianity. Or, if you prefer, Christianity a popular sect of Judaism. They are synonymous, in truth.

[Benuty]

Dunno. Do antisemites go to hell, do you think, or is an eternity knowing that their God is a Jewish guy punishment enough?

>assuming heaven, hell, or god exist
>Implying that two great American heroes like Ford and Lindbergh would go to hell for their beliefs, completely overriding their other achievements. Coughlin maybe. He was a Catholic priest after all.

Given Ford helped promote an industry of hate, and give Hitler the manual to plan the Holocaust.

I'd believe he's certainly been given some deep time to regret his actions ( I am not talking about hell either).

Lindbergh was just a pighead whose energy should have been put in other movements.

[Archeuland and Baughistan]

Dunno. Do antisemites go to hell, do you think, or is an eternity knowing that their God is a Jewish guy punishment enough?

>assuming heaven, hell, or god exist
>Implying that two great American heroes like Ford and Lindbergh would go to hell for their beliefs, completely overriding their other achievements. Coughlin maybe. He was a Catholic priest after all.

An interesting spin on history by the secularists, but not true.

[Anglo-California]

There isn't a Jewish one either.

Debatable considering the South, and the Northeast had a nice history concerning Jewish minorities.

There were a few Sephardic slave owners in the South, but they were in such small numbers that cultural influence was negligible.

The Northeast didn't really see many Jews until the Russian Empire began the pogroms.

[Benuty]

If Christians are Jewish, does that mean I can call you Jewish? Archeuland and Baughistan is not a Christian fundamentalist, he is a Jewish fundamentalist! No?

Ah, but Jews are merely a sect of Christianity. Or, if you prefer, Christianity a popular sect of Judaism. They are synonymous, in truth.

The fact the Abrahamic deities of both religions not surprisingly differ alot I'd beg to counter that point.

[Archeuland and Baughistan]

Ah, but Jews are merely a sect of Christianity. Or, if you prefer, Christianity a popular sect of Judaism. They are synonymous, in truth.

The fact the Abrahamic deities of both religions not surprisingly differ alot I'd beg to counter that point.

Jews and Christians have the same God as well, and the same Messiah (the Jews just haven't recognized Christ yet). Note that I say 'yet'. They will eventually.

[Geilinor]

The fact the Abrahamic deities of both religions not surprisingly differ alot I'd beg to counter that point.

Jews and Christians have the same God as well,

So do Muslims.

[Benuty]

The fact the Abrahamic deities of both religions not surprisingly differ alot I'd beg to counter that point.

Jews and Christians have the same God as well, and the same Messiah (the Jews just haven't recognized Christ yet). Note that I say 'yet'. They will eventually.

The Jewish messiah is one who will bring an end to all wars, restore the land of Israel, restore unity among the peoples, and help bring about the construction of the Temple. The Jewish messiah is no savior, they are a leader amongst the people. The Jewish God is not inspired by Neo-Platonic thought.

The Christian basis for the messiah is Neo-platonic as is their idea of God.

[Benuty]

Jews and Christians have the same God as well,

So do Muslims.

Debatable.

Jews, and Muslims sure...given they turn Isa (Jesus) into a far more human figure who will serve as a sort of helper to Allah, and rule temporarily over the Ummah (nation of believers).