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by Jormengand » Wed Nov 26, 2014 3:07 pm
Jormengand wrote:It would be really meta if I sigged this.
by Olerand » Wed Nov 26, 2014 3:18 pm
Murkwood wrote:Going off something someone said earlier, when people talk about America's "Judeo-Christian heritage", it's not meant to exclude Muslims. Rather, the reason it's only Judeo-Christian is because there is no real long running Islamic heritage in the US.
Free Rhenish States wrote:You're French, without faith, probably godless, liberal without any traditional values or respect for any faith whatsoever
by Murkwood » Wed Nov 26, 2014 3:21 pm
Olerand wrote:Murkwood wrote:Going off something someone said earlier, when people talk about America's "Judeo-Christian heritage", it's not meant to exclude Muslims. Rather, the reason it's only Judeo-Christian is because there is no real long running Islamic heritage in the US.
Nor Jewish.
And most of the Christian influence came in the 19th century, especially with the Great Awakening or whatever that was called.
Also, Mormonism, that quintessential Americancultreligion.
Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:Murkwood, I'm surprised you're not an anti-Semite and don't mind most LGBT rights because boy, aren't you a constellation of the worst opinions to have about everything? o_o
Benuty wrote:I suppose Ken Ham, and the league of Republican-Neocolonialist-Zionist Catholics will not be pleased.
Soldati senza confini wrote:Did I just try to rationalize Murkwood's logic? Please shoot me.
by Olerand » Wed Nov 26, 2014 3:22 pm
Murkwood wrote:Mormonism is heretical bullshit.
Free Rhenish States wrote:You're French, without faith, probably godless, liberal without any traditional values or respect for any faith whatsoever
by Murkwood » Wed Nov 26, 2014 3:26 pm
Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:Murkwood, I'm surprised you're not an anti-Semite and don't mind most LGBT rights because boy, aren't you a constellation of the worst opinions to have about everything? o_o
Benuty wrote:I suppose Ken Ham, and the league of Republican-Neocolonialist-Zionist Catholics will not be pleased.
Soldati senza confini wrote:Did I just try to rationalize Murkwood's logic? Please shoot me.
by Conserative Morality » Wed Nov 26, 2014 3:28 pm
Murkwood wrote:Because it's Populist garbage.
by Gwrachbyd » Wed Nov 26, 2014 3:29 pm
by Narland » Wed Nov 26, 2014 3:39 pm
by Meryuma » Wed Nov 26, 2014 7:39 pm
Jormengand wrote:There is some value in referring to characteristics specific to the Judeo-Christian god, as most Jews and most Christians agree on a small set of his characteristics. That said, you could just call him Yahweh or Jehovah to distinguish him from Allah (and any other god that might be thought of).
Narland wrote:One could say to a child in the US, "Be good." and that child knew what you meant because the ubiquitous frame of reference was "be good according to the 10 Commandments and the Golden rule."
Niur wrote: my soul has no soul.
Saint Clair Island wrote:The English language sucks. From now on, I will refer to the second definition of sexual as "fucktacular."
Trotskylvania wrote:Alternatively, we could go on an epic quest to Plato's Cave to find the legendary artifact, Ockham's Razor.
Norstal wrote:Gunpowder Plot: America.
Meryuma: "Well, I just hope these hyperboles don't...
*puts on sunglasses*
blow out of proportions."
YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
by Anglo-California » Wed Nov 26, 2014 7:43 pm
Murkwood wrote:Going off something someone said earlier, when people talk about America's "Judeo-Christian heritage", it's not meant to exclude Muslims. Rather, the reason it's only Judeo-Christian is because there is no real long running Islamic heritage in the US.
by Anglo-California » Wed Nov 26, 2014 7:46 pm
Conserative Morality wrote:Murkwood wrote:Going off something someone said earlier, when people talk about America's "Judeo-Christian heritage", it's not meant to exclude Muslims. Rather, the reason it's only Judeo-Christian is because there is no real long running Islamic heritage in the US.
Except for the part where there is a long-running Islamic heritage in the US, it's only been suppressed by...
Oh. Right. 'Judeo-Christian' ideas of the 'correct' history. Jews and Muslims have had about the same time in the US, but the former were largely white, skilled workers, and so gained influence. The latter were largely black or otherwise 'ethnic' unskilled workers, slaves, and refugees, so they've been excluded..
by Conserative Morality » Wed Nov 26, 2014 8:04 pm
Anglo-California wrote:Where are Henry Ford, Charles Lindbergh, Father Coughlin when you need them?
by Archeuland and Baughistan » Wed Nov 26, 2014 8:07 pm
Benuty wrote:"Judeo-Christian" is a term compiled for the political purposes of proposing a supposed common ethical system between Judaism, and Christianity. An example often seen displayed in certain spaces for all to see are the statues of the "Ten Commandments". A set of civil commandments which are presented under a vague enough glass to be seen as appropriate on government space. The problem being is the fact they knowingly leave out the other set of ten (ritual commandments) in the same book of Exodus. So that is twenty commandments in total that people seem to ignore. Of-course I feel I don't need to mention the totality of the 613 commandments many in Judaism recognize. So at best this is not only hypocritical to say they have the same code of ethics it is patently false.
This supposed narrative has been used to justify several things which if not glossed over by long standing tradition would be seen as unconstitutional by the majority of people. The term has gained a resurgence in the 1990's due to the so called "Culture Wars" between uneducated & stagnant traditionalists fighting against change promoted by those labeled as "Secularists". Which is frankly a delusional attempt to give a blanket term to put all the ideas they don't like under some sort of bed to be identified as a monster. The national motto of the US "In God we trust" is a blanket use of this term to represent a mythical comparative. Of-course it is a blatantly unconstitutional move from the 1950's by people who generalized communism as "Godless".
Since 9/11 the term has exploded into a frenzy due to its constant repetition by conservatives claiming the traditional values of the US are under fire. They certainly are under fire...except it isn't the values of "Judeo-Christianity" instead it is the values of rationalism, exploration, and pluralism. Another favorite proponents of "Judeo-Christianity" like to use is that their values are the basis of all realms of U.S law. This is complete, and total bullshit as it claims the multiple civilizations which set up the basis for US law in reality aren't important. Therefore my friends let us take up the mantle to find the primordial birthing peak of which it began in the US.
If the term "Judeo-Christianity" were to represent a common path between both Judaism, and Christianity across the world it has failed immensely. The term has been spawned, and fed by the milk of bullshit of the heavily political Protestant factions of the US. It pretends to have ties to other Christian branch yet only gives them trinket recognition. The same could be said with the majority of Jewish sects (if not all). This terms implies some sort of "Religiously favorist America" in which is under total domination by these "declared" set of values. If such a U.S were to exist in practicality in would resemble something out of a work of dystopic fiction. As a result there is a faction of people aka the pseudo Christian Right. It also serves an excuse towards the utter apathy or hypocrisy given toward those in the "third world".
Of-course then comes yet another problem with "Judeo-Christianity" aside from it that it is incredibly favoristic. While attempts at interfaith relations have occurred this narrative often limits it self to only three of the Abrahamic faiths (without even bothering to appeal to the rest of the Abrahamic faiths) let alone the other branches. Judeo-Christianity of today due to its exclusive nature as a evangelical protestant ideal has adopted the belief of supporting Zionism without question (mostly). This has led to some nasty business, and rather unequal treatment in foreign aid (of any kind) to countries considering Israel gets a massive amount of aid from the US (weapons, financial aid, etc), and favors from the US Congress (such as not having to pay back the loans). Of-course this comes back as hypocritical since the US expects other nations to pay in due what they owe (and possibly more).
Therefore "Judeo-Christianity" is not only a false narrative, but it is an antiquated one from another century. It mostly supports ideals which should long be dead, and makes those who enforce it (mostly) seem like partakers of faggotry. It fails to support a true system of ethics, and comes out with a fraudulent history of the Western World (circa US origins & onwards). Not only that, but it is great at cherry picking, and poor at creating an actual dialogue between Christianity, and Judaism hell it doesn't even bother with other faiths. In final two religions which do not even have the same brand of deity despite being of the Abrahamic faiths cannot truly expect such a distorted view of reality to be in any shape or way as objective truth.Basically is the term "Judeo-Christianity" is nonsense, but what do you think of it?
So what say you oh unleavened or leavened masses of NSG?
I suppose Ken Ham, and the league of Republican-Neocolonialist-Zionist Catholics will not be pleased.
by Geilinor » Wed Nov 26, 2014 8:14 pm
Archeuland and Baughistan wrote:Benuty wrote:"Judeo-Christian" is a term compiled for the political purposes of proposing a supposed common ethical system between Judaism, and Christianity. An example often seen displayed in certain spaces for all to see are the statues of the "Ten Commandments". A set of civil commandments which are presented under a vague enough glass to be seen as appropriate on government space. The problem being is the fact they knowingly leave out the other set of ten (ritual commandments) in the same book of Exodus. So that is twenty commandments in total that people seem to ignore. Of-course I feel I don't need to mention the totality of the 613 commandments many in Judaism recognize. So at best this is not only hypocritical to say they have the same code of ethics it is patently false.
This supposed narrative has been used to justify several things which if not glossed over by long standing tradition would be seen as unconstitutional by the majority of people. The term has gained a resurgence in the 1990's due to the so called "Culture Wars" between uneducated & stagnant traditionalists fighting against change promoted by those labeled as "Secularists". Which is frankly a delusional attempt to give a blanket term to put all the ideas they don't like under some sort of bed to be identified as a monster. The national motto of the US "In God we trust" is a blanket use of this term to represent a mythical comparative. Of-course it is a blatantly unconstitutional move from the 1950's by people who generalized communism as "Godless".
Since 9/11 the term has exploded into a frenzy due to its constant repetition by conservatives claiming the traditional values of the US are under fire. They certainly are under fire...except it isn't the values of "Judeo-Christianity" instead it is the values of rationalism, exploration, and pluralism. Another favorite proponents of "Judeo-Christianity" like to use is that their values are the basis of all realms of U.S law. This is complete, and total bullshit as it claims the multiple civilizations which set up the basis for US law in reality aren't important. Therefore my friends let us take up the mantle to find the primordial birthing peak of which it began in the US.
If the term "Judeo-Christianity" were to represent a common path between both Judaism, and Christianity across the world it has failed immensely. The term has been spawned, and fed by the milk of bullshit of the heavily political Protestant factions of the US. It pretends to have ties to other Christian branch yet only gives them trinket recognition. The same could be said with the majority of Jewish sects (if not all). This terms implies some sort of "Religiously favorist America" in which is under total domination by these "declared" set of values. If such a U.S were to exist in practicality in would resemble something out of a work of dystopic fiction. As a result there is a faction of people aka the pseudo Christian Right. It also serves an excuse towards the utter apathy or hypocrisy given toward those in the "third world".
Of-course then comes yet another problem with "Judeo-Christianity" aside from it that it is incredibly favoristic. While attempts at interfaith relations have occurred this narrative often limits it self to only three of the Abrahamic faiths (without even bothering to appeal to the rest of the Abrahamic faiths) let alone the other branches. Judeo-Christianity of today due to its exclusive nature as a evangelical protestant ideal has adopted the belief of supporting Zionism without question (mostly). This has led to some nasty business, and rather unequal treatment in foreign aid (of any kind) to countries considering Israel gets a massive amount of aid from the US (weapons, financial aid, etc), and favors from the US Congress (such as not having to pay back the loans). Of-course this comes back as hypocritical since the US expects other nations to pay in due what they owe (and possibly more).
Therefore "Judeo-Christianity" is not only a false narrative, but it is an antiquated one from another century. It mostly supports ideals which should long be dead, and makes those who enforce it (mostly) seem like partakers of faggotry. It fails to support a true system of ethics, and comes out with a fraudulent history of the Western World (circa US origins & onwards). Not only that, but it is great at cherry picking, and poor at creating an actual dialogue between Christianity, and Judaism hell it doesn't even bother with other faiths. In final two religions which do not even have the same brand of deity despite being of the Abrahamic faiths cannot truly expect such a distorted view of reality to be in any shape or way as objective truth.Basically is the term "Judeo-Christianity" is nonsense, but what do you think of it?
So what say you oh unleavened or leavened masses of NSG?
I suppose Ken Ham, and the league of Republican-Neocolonialist-Zionist Catholics will not be pleased.
It's an attack on this nation, that's what it is. People who say that we weren't founded on Judeo-Christian principles. No. Jews and Christians are synonymous. We both have the same Messiah. We both serve the great God. The Jews were predicted to reject Christ at first, unknowingly, but they will accept Christ completely at His return.
by Benuty » Wed Nov 26, 2014 8:14 pm
Anglo-California wrote:Murkwood wrote:Going off something someone said earlier, when people talk about America's "Judeo-Christian heritage", it's not meant to exclude Muslims. Rather, the reason it's only Judeo-Christian is because there is no real long running Islamic heritage in the US.
There isn't a Jewish one either.
by Anglo-California » Wed Nov 26, 2014 8:18 pm
by Archeuland and Baughistan » Wed Nov 26, 2014 8:19 pm
Geilinor wrote:If Christians are Jewish, does that mean I can call you Jewish? Archeuland and Baughistan is not a Christian fundamentalist, he is a Jewish fundamentalist! No?
by Benuty » Wed Nov 26, 2014 8:20 pm
Anglo-California wrote:Conserative Morality wrote:Dunno. Do antisemites go to hell, do you think, or is an eternity knowing that their God is a Jewish guy punishment enough?
>assuming heaven, hell, or god exist
>Implying that two great American heroes like Ford and Lindbergh would go to hell for their beliefs, completely overriding their other achievements. Coughlin maybe. He was a Catholic priest after all.
by Archeuland and Baughistan » Wed Nov 26, 2014 8:21 pm
Anglo-California wrote:Conserative Morality wrote:Dunno. Do antisemites go to hell, do you think, or is an eternity knowing that their God is a Jewish guy punishment enough?
>assuming heaven, hell, or god exist
>Implying that two great American heroes like Ford and Lindbergh would go to hell for their beliefs, completely overriding their other achievements. Coughlin maybe. He was a Catholic priest after all.
by Anglo-California » Wed Nov 26, 2014 8:21 pm
by Benuty » Wed Nov 26, 2014 8:21 pm
Archeuland and Baughistan wrote:Geilinor wrote:If Christians are Jewish, does that mean I can call you Jewish? Archeuland and Baughistan is not a Christian fundamentalist, he is a Jewish fundamentalist! No?
Ah, but Jews are merely a sect of Christianity. Or, if you prefer, Christianity a popular sect of Judaism. They are synonymous, in truth.
by Archeuland and Baughistan » Wed Nov 26, 2014 8:22 pm
by Geilinor » Wed Nov 26, 2014 8:25 pm
by Benuty » Wed Nov 26, 2014 8:27 pm
Archeuland and Baughistan wrote:Benuty wrote:The fact the Abrahamic deities of both religions not surprisingly differ alot I'd beg to counter that point.
Jews and Christians have the same God as well, and the same Messiah (the Jews just haven't recognized Christ yet). Note that I say 'yet'. They will eventually.
by Benuty » Wed Nov 26, 2014 8:29 pm
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