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Seno Zhou Varada
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Postby Seno Zhou Varada » Fri Nov 21, 2014 10:14 pm

Archeuland and Baughistan wrote:
Utceforp wrote:
I guess we can add "the constitution" to the list of written works which you have never read, alongside the dictionary.


That language does not say separation of church and state. It says 'separation of state from religion, but not separation of religion from state'. It also says that Congress shall make no law concerning religion. It is absent on whether or not states can make up their minds on the topic. The 10th Amendment (State's Rights) gives states the right to whatever right not held by the federal government. Thus, we can still be a theocratic (or secular!) country on a state level.

A you flip flopped the words so they still mean the same thing.

B. Make no law respecting (promoting) an establishment of religion which also goes to the federal government law meaning no to states.
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Postby Archeuland and Baughistan » Fri Nov 21, 2014 10:14 pm

Arkinesia wrote:
Archeuland and Baughistan wrote:
That language does not say separation of church and state. It says 'separation of state from religion, but not separation of religion from state'. It also says that Congress shall make no law concerning religion. It is absent on whether or not states can make up their minds on the topic. The 10th Amendment (State's Rights) gives states the right to whatever right not held by the federal government. Thus, we can still be a theocratic (or secular!) country on a state level.

The Founders themselves wrote that state churches violated the letter of the Constitution.


That's a lie invented by the secularists
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Postby Empire of Narnia » Fri Nov 21, 2014 10:14 pm

Utceforp wrote:
Empire of Narnia wrote:Very bad. It almost always devolves into State Atheism.

Examples?

Modern USA.

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Postby Seno Zhou Varada » Fri Nov 21, 2014 10:15 pm

Archeuland and Baughistan wrote:
Seno Zhou Varada wrote:How would you know? It hasn't been around long enough properly to tell.


Were you there during the Soviet Union

Yeah I got the T-Shirt.
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Postby The balkens » Fri Nov 21, 2014 10:15 pm

Archeuland and Baughistan wrote:
Arkinesia wrote:The Founders themselves wrote that state churches violated the letter of the Constitution.


That's a lie invented by the secularists


Thomas Jefferson tore pages out of his bible.

He inspired me to do the same when i was young.

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Postby Sebastianbourg » Fri Nov 21, 2014 10:16 pm

Archeuland and Baughistan wrote:That language does not say separation of church and state. It says 'separation of state from religion, but not separation of religion from state'.

:rofl: :palm: :unsure:
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Fri Nov 21, 2014 10:16 pm

Archeuland and Baughistan wrote:
Arkinesia wrote:The Founders themselves wrote that state churches violated the letter of the Constitution.


That's a lie invented by the secularists


Why is everything you type so pants on head retarded?
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Postby Twilight Imperium » Fri Nov 21, 2014 10:16 pm

Seno Zhou Varada wrote:
Archeuland and Baughistan wrote:
Were you there during the Soviet Union

Yeah I got the T-Shirt.


Sucks to be you. I got the surplus nukes.

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Postby Furry Alairia and Algeria » Fri Nov 21, 2014 10:16 pm

Archeuland and Baughistan wrote:
Arkinesia wrote:The Founders themselves wrote that state churches violated the letter of the Constitution.


That's a lie invented by the secularists

"The Bible is a dumbhill" - Thomas Jefferson
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Postby Sebastianbourg » Fri Nov 21, 2014 10:17 pm

Archeuland and Baughistan wrote:
Arkinesia wrote:The Founders themselves wrote that state churches violated the letter of the Constitution.


That's a lie invented by the secularists

I need sources other than The Holy Bible.

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Postby Icrum » Fri Nov 21, 2014 10:17 pm

Twilight Imperium wrote:
Seno Zhou Varada wrote:Yeah I got the T-Shirt.


Sucks to be you. I got the surplus nukes.

I got a Stalin doll. You seem to be lacking in the Kawaii department.
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Postby Furry Alairia and Algeria » Fri Nov 21, 2014 10:17 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Archeuland and Baughistan wrote:
That's a lie invented by the secularists


Why is everything you type so pants on head retarded?

He's missing his tin-foil hat
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Postby Mavorpen » Fri Nov 21, 2014 10:17 pm

Archeuland and Baughistan wrote:
Arkinesia wrote:The Founders themselves wrote that state churches violated the letter of the Constitution.


That's a lie invented by the secularists

One day I'm going to petition for this phrase to be printed on toilet paper.
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Postby Archeuland and Baughistan » Fri Nov 21, 2014 10:17 pm

Furry Alairia and Algeria wrote:
Archeuland and Baughistan wrote:
That's a lie invented by the secularists

"The Bible is a dumbhill" - Thomas Jefferson


Another lie invented by the secularists
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Learn more about the true history of the world here.
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Postby Seno Zhou Varada » Fri Nov 21, 2014 10:17 pm

Twilight Imperium wrote:
Seno Zhou Varada wrote:Yeah I got the T-Shirt.


Sucks to be you. I got the surplus nukes.

Yeah but my T-Shirt glows.
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Postby Senyosu » Fri Nov 21, 2014 10:17 pm

It's very good.

Very good.
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Postby Seno Zhou Varada » Fri Nov 21, 2014 10:18 pm

Archeuland and Baughistan wrote:
Furry Alairia and Algeria wrote:"The Bible is a dumbhill" - Thomas Jefferson


Another lie invented by the secularists

Source
(No bible)
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Postby Icrum » Fri Nov 21, 2014 10:18 pm

Seno Zhou Varada wrote:
Twilight Imperium wrote:
Sucks to be you. I got the surplus nukes.

Yeah but my T-Shirt glows.

Icrum wrote:I got a Stalin doll. You seem to be lacking in the Kawaii department.
Some kind of dessert involving ice cream, hard liquor, and a blow torch
Main wrote:A petition to redesign the flag incites violent riots that eventually destroy the entire nation.

-Ebola- wrote:I don't want to kill you all. I want primates, humans included, to stay around so my descendants will have the same variety of hosts to choose from as I do.

Washington Resistance Army wrote:Not being able to buy an AR most certainly is a travesty.

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Postby Furry Alairia and Algeria » Fri Nov 21, 2014 10:18 pm

Archeuland and Baughistan wrote:
Furry Alairia and Algeria wrote:"The Bible is a dumbhill" - Thomas Jefferson


Another lie invented by the secularists

Image
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Postby Archeuland and Baughistan » Fri Nov 21, 2014 10:19 pm

Besides, in regard to secularism and the nature of life, I would argue that "it's not survival of the fittest, it's survival of those that survive", as Ken Ham said during the Creation Evolution Debate with Bill Nye "the Science Guy".
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Learn more about the true history of the world here.
You must be born again? What does that mean?
Islam, the religion of peace? What does history tell us?
The Israelites were "genocidal"? No they weren't!
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Postby Twilight Imperium » Fri Nov 21, 2014 10:19 pm

Icrum wrote:
Seno Zhou Varada wrote:Yeah but my T-Shirt glows.

Icrum wrote:I got a Stalin doll. You seem to be lacking in the Kawaii department.


Is it a bobblehead? Chibi? what?

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Postby Icrum » Fri Nov 21, 2014 10:19 pm

Furry Alairia and Algeria wrote:
Archeuland and Baughistan wrote:
Another lie invented by the secularists

Image

He's a Fundelmentalist Christian (The ones that makes me dissapointed), he won't give one.
Some kind of dessert involving ice cream, hard liquor, and a blow torch
Main wrote:A petition to redesign the flag incites violent riots that eventually destroy the entire nation.

-Ebola- wrote:I don't want to kill you all. I want primates, humans included, to stay around so my descendants will have the same variety of hosts to choose from as I do.

Washington Resistance Army wrote:Not being able to buy an AR most certainly is a travesty.

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Postby Harpers Ferry » Fri Nov 21, 2014 10:19 pm

Archeuland and Baughistan wrote:My response to the secularists would be - "how do you know that you are totally and completely right about your interpretation of historical science?"

Because actual evidence beyond a book misinterpreted a thousand times over.

And it's a good thing. Great actually.
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Postby Seno Zhou Varada » Fri Nov 21, 2014 10:19 pm

Icrum wrote:
Seno Zhou Varada wrote:Yeah but my T-Shirt glows.

Icrum wrote:I got a Stalin doll. You seem to be lacking in the Kawaii department.

I preferred tge Marx one so I bought it. Sadly comrade Stalin decided I could only have one.

But they have amazing gift shops!
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Postby Icrum » Fri Nov 21, 2014 10:20 pm

Twilight Imperium wrote:
Icrum wrote:


Is it a bobblehead? Chibi? what?

Chibi bobblehead. It even has a little hammer and sickle.
Some kind of dessert involving ice cream, hard liquor, and a blow torch
Main wrote:A petition to redesign the flag incites violent riots that eventually destroy the entire nation.

-Ebola- wrote:I don't want to kill you all. I want primates, humans included, to stay around so my descendants will have the same variety of hosts to choose from as I do.

Washington Resistance Army wrote:Not being able to buy an AR most certainly is a travesty.

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