Secularism: Good or Bad?

[Archeuland and Baughistan]

That language does not say separation of church and state. It says 'separation of state from religion, but not separation of religion from state'. It also says that Congress shall make no law concerning religion. It is absent on whether or not states can make up their minds on the topic. The 10th Amendment (State's Rights) gives states the right to whatever right not held by the federal government. Thus, we can still be a theocratic (or secular!) country on a state level.

Except the Fourteenth Amendment incorporated the provisions of the Bill of Rights to apply to state and local governments. So no, the states cannot become theocratic.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incorporat ... _of_Rights

That's one long and enduring theory about interpreting the Constitution.

[Utceforp]

Besides, in regard to secularism and the nature of life, I would argue that "it's not survival of the fittest, it's survival of those that survive", as Ken Ham said during the Creation Evolution Debate with Bill Nye "the Science Guy".

Of course it is. That's why evolution has never produced perfect organisms for niches, and why certain traits become common despite not being useful for survival.

[Autostan]

The debate that Ken Ham got 5% of the votes after?

I voted for Mr. Ham actually.

I'm not surprised.

[Southern Arkansas]

Typical hypocrite Christians here in this thread (Ken Ham flag guy) who support Christian Theocracy but not an Islamic one.

Double Standards FTW?

Has he confirmed this?

[Sasutary Island]

The debate that Ken Ham got 5% of the votes after?

I voted for Mr. Ham actually.

I would assume no one cares to vote and that those 5% of the votes were from your 1 vote. (ie. This is an example of Secularism, not caring at all.)

[Seno Zhou Varada]

Except the Fourteenth Amendment incorporated the provisions of the Bill of Rights to apply to state and local governments. So no, the states cannot become theocratic.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incorporat ... _of_Rights

That's one long and enduring theory about interpreting the Constitution.

You mean fact the government can and will confirm?

[Kalifati Arab shqiptar]

Except the Fourteenth Amendment incorporated the provisions of the Bill of Rights to apply to state and local governments. So no, the states cannot become theocratic.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incorporat ... _of_Rights

That's one long and enduring theory about interpreting the Constitution.

You have shown yourself, you are 15-17 years old. How can we take you seriously?

[West Angola]

Christians who were taught to believe in millions of years in the public school system, you mean. Government enforced secular religion.

Evolution is not a religion, it's a scientific fact, so therefore no, not a religion.

Also, "secular religion" is an oxymoron at best...

[Icrum]

So, actually focusing on topic, I think seperation of Church and state is good. If one religion takes over, we must conform to it. So saying "No national religion" is good.

[The Orson Empire]

I guess we can add "the constitution" to the list of written works which you have never read, alongside the dictionary.

That language does not say separation of church and state. It says 'separation of state from religion, but not separation of religion from state'. It also says that Congress shall make no law concerning religion. It is absent on whether or not states can make up their minds on the topic. The 10th Amendment (State's Rights) gives states the right to whatever right not held by the federal government. Thus, we can still be a theocratic (or secular!) country on a state level.

Your logic is horrifically flawed. A state cannot become theocratic, because freedom of religion and separation of the church and state are federal laws. Federal law is always supreme to state law.

[Kalifati Arab shqiptar]

Typical hypocrite Christians here in this thread (Ken Ham flag guy) who support Christian Theocracy but not an Islamic one.

Double Standards FTW?

Has he confirmed this?

Previous threads. A lot of previous threads. ISIS Megathread and some I can't remember.

[Sebastianbourg]

Typical hypocrite Christians here in this thread (Ken Ham flag guy) who support Christian Theocracy but not an Islamic one.

Double Standards FTW?

Hey! That guy doesn't represent my views.

[Kalifati Arab shqiptar]

Typical hypocrite Christians here in this thread (Ken Ham flag guy) who support Christian Theocracy but not an Islamic one.

Double Standards FTW?

Has he confirmed this?

Previous threads. A lot of previous threads. ISIS Megathread and some I can't remember.

[Utceforp]

Christians who were taught to believe in millions of years in the public school system, you mean. Government enforced secular religion.

Evolution is not a religion, it's a scientific fact, so therefore no, not a religion.

Also, "secular religion" is an oxymoron at best...

Plus, teaching people that the universe is only millions of years old would be just as wrong as teaching them that it's only thousands of years old.

[The Liberated Territories]

Good. My preferred version of secularism is French-style laïcité. Religion should not be an element of public life - politics, government, the public service, etc. The state should not favour any religion nor irreligion. It should just abstain from involvement in religious affairs.

Kind of hypocritical of the French, when they are banning hijabs and shit. But otherwise I'd agree with that policy.

[Deral]

Except the Fourteenth Amendment incorporated the provisions of the Bill of Rights to apply to state and local governments. So no, the states cannot become theocratic.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incorporat ... _of_Rights

That's one long and enduring theory about interpreting the Constitution.

One that has been supported by the Supreme Court several times over. And as the Supreme Court is the supreme authority on interpreting the Constitution, I'd say that it is more than just a theory.

[Harpers Ferry]

I voted for Mr. Ham actually.

I would assume no one cares to vote and that those 5% of the votes were from your 1 vote. (ie. This is an example of Secularism, not caring at all.)

Wait, what?

[The Orson Empire]

If people are being taught that the universe is millions of years old, I agree, we have a problem.

Why is A&B hurting my brain? He's making me, a fellow Christian, very disappointed in him.

Same.

Honestly, I do not understand fundamentalists.

[Utceforp]

That's one long and enduring theory about interpreting the Constitution.

One that has been supported by the Supreme Court several times over. And as the Supreme Court is the supreme authority on interpreting the Constitution, I'd say that it is more than just a theory.

Don't use the phrase "just a theory" in the presence of fundamentalists, it just encourages them to deny evolution.

[Sebastianbourg]

Also, "secular religion" is an oxymoron at best...

Would the Cult of the Supreme Being count as a secular religion or just a civil religion?

[Twilight Imperium]

One that has been supported by the Supreme Court several times over. And as the Supreme Court is the supreme authority on interpreting the Constitution, I'd say that it is more than just a theory.

Pro tip, friend, since you're new - engaging A&B in debate is like debating a Jack Chick finger puppet. You'll just end up mumbling to yourself about nothing sensible while your finger is up someone's butt.

[The Orson Empire]

Typical hypocrite Christians here in this thread (Ken Ham flag guy) who support Christian Theocracy but not an Islamic one.

Double Standards FTW?

Hey man, don't lump me in the same group as Acheuland and Baughistan. I don't appreciate that.

[Seno Zhou Varada]

That's one long and enduring theory about interpreting the Constitution.

One that has been supported by the Supreme Court several times over. And as the Supreme Court is the supreme authority on interpreting the Constitution, I'd say that it is more than just a theory.

a game theory?

[Southern Arkansas]

Typical hypocrite Christians here in this thread (Ken Ham flag guy) who support Christian Theocracy but not an Islamic one.

Double Standards FTW?

Hey man, don't lump me in the same group as Acheuland and Baughistan. I don't appreciate that.

You down with the Theocracy bro?

[Kalifati Arab shqiptar]

Why is A&B hurting my brain? He's making me, a fellow Christian, very disappointed in him.

Same.

Honestly, I do not understand fundamentalists.

They make religions look bad. I am ashamed to say that I'm European Muslim because of those fucktards in Middle East, so that's why I stick to Albanianism.