Is communism evil? Eminent domain? Socialism?

[The Sons of Adam]

He created us with free will, and that made things interesting. That's why humans can be corrupt.

He gave us free will, but then punishes us for using it?

He punishes us for using it with evil intent, he punishes the unjust.

[Archeuland and Baughistan]

Now tell me where sin comes and why God allows it.

Take it to another thread and I'll happily answer your question in detail. If you read my post, you can see that I already answered why sin exists.

For now, we are discussing the moral and Biblical nature of God-given rights, and whether or not they exist.

[Washington Resistance Army]

He created us with free will, and that made things interesting. That's why humans can be corrupt.

He gave us free will, but then punishes us for using it?

Yep, but don't worry he loves you!

[Benuty]

He created us with free will, and that made things interesting. That's why humans can be corrupt.

He gave us free will, but then punishes us for using it?

If Original Sin has any relevance (which it doesn't) anyway.

[Solaray]

Because it sounds to me like it would produce a miserable at worst, drab at best, existence for the majority of people. Anarcho-Communism as well as Soviet-esque "communism".

Granted, I wouldn't know for sure, since I've never experienced it, but I've certainly thought about it, and it sounds mediocre at best.

Communism wouldn't be terrible if we had a post scarcity economy. Then the transition would be seem less, profit would be meaningless, and society could function stably.

Sure, but that's rather moot, since I highly doubt post-scarcity will be a thing in any of our lifetimes. As of right now, it'd be subpar.

[Otrenia]

Communism wouldn't be terrible if we had a post scarcity economy. Then the transition would be seem less, profit would be meaningless, and society could function stably.

Post-scarcity, now there's a goal truly worth working towards. With advances in robotics, 3D printing, and some population control it's not necessarily even far-fetched.

[Kelinfort]

That's an inconclusive deduction; I do not concede anything. However, I cannot prove that the Bible was written by God. This does not mean that God did not write the Bible and give it to men. There are, after all, many eyewitness accounts that the words of the Bible were given to men (those who wrote the Bible experienced divine encounters constantly).

The same logic applies towards the age of the Earth. We cannot prove the earth is six thousand years old, but that doesn't mean that millions of years is true.

The same logic applies towards natural rights vs. God-given rights. Because secularism and naturalism relies only on things we can see (nothing supernatural, invisible, or divine), it deducts that, because we cannot see God, there is no such thing as God-given rights. It denies something that quite possibly exists because it cannot see it. It's just like the people who did not believe in bacteria. They could not see it, therefore it didn't exist in their eyes!

We cannot see gluons and atoms either, yet secularists believe they exist. Why?

Hint, it's because of evidence.

[Archeuland and Baughistan]

He gave us free will, but then punishes us for using it?

He punishes us for using it with evil intent, he punishes the unjust.

Free will, indeed, is not a bad thing. You have the choice whether or not to do good things or bad. Those who do evil will answer for it; as will those who do good. All will get rewarded according to what they have done, be the reward good or bad.

[Furry Alairia and Algeria]

Now tell me where sin comes and why God allows it.

Take it to another thread and I'll happily answer your question in detail. If you read my post, you can see that I already answered why sin exists.

For now, we are discussing the moral and Biblical nature of God-given rights, and whether or not they exist.

Trust me, you haven't.

[The Sons of Adam]

That punishes you for owning land. That takes away the right to do what you want with your stuff.

They said the same thing about people who wanted to abolish slavery since slaves were viewed as "someones stuff".

Yes but your stuff includes yourself, that means you own yourself. That idea was not accepted until the late 19th century AD

[Archeuland and Baughistan]

We cannot see gluons and atoms either, yet secularists believe they exist. Why?

Atoms are observable, though.

However, it is possible to detect the presence of an atom. For example, there is a device known as an atomic force microscope which acts sort of like an old record player, scanning the surface of an object with a needle tip (a very very small tip).
There is also something called a scanning tunneling microscope, which uses tunneling currents (a quantum mechanical effect) to detect electron densities and therefore atoms (different atoms have different electron densities).

https://uk.answers.yahoo.com/question/i ... 924AAcubIF

[Otrenia]

They said the same thing about people who wanted to abolish slavery since slaves were viewed as "someones stuff".

Yes but your stuff includes yourself, that means you own yourself. That idea was not accepted until the late 19th century AD

What?! Ideas about property have changed over time? Perhaps they've changed again and owning massive amounts of land is no longer accepted as a right.

[Solaray]

Communism wouldn't be terrible if we had a post scarcity economy. Then the transition would be seem less, profit would be meaningless, and society could function stably.

Post-scarcity, now there's a goal truly worth working towards. With advances in robotics, 3D printing, and some population control it's not necessarily even far-fetched.

Ehh... we're still nowhere near it I'd say. Maybe in a few more generations, but a fat lot of good that does us now.

Unless we figure out how to live longer.

[Furry Alairia and Algeria]

We cannot see gluons and atoms either, yet secularists believe they exist. Why?

Atoms are observable, though.

However, it is possible to detect the presence of an atom. For example, there is a device known as an atomic force microscope which acts sort of like an old record player, scanning the surface of an object with a needle tip (a very very small tip).
There is also something called a scanning tunneling microscope, which uses tunneling currents (a quantum mechanical effect) to detect electron densities and therefore atoms (different atoms have different electron densities).

https://uk.answers.yahoo.com/question/i ... 924AAcubIF

Better.

And? Observable =/= seeing commonly and clearly.

[The Serbian Empire]

What about the 5% of inaccuracy. Like Parting the Sears instead of the Seas.

They get rooted out pretty quick. Like the evil bible saying "Thou Shalt Commit Adultery"

The printer got fined, with his building destroyed.

That one sort of defied the message while the parting of the Sears went around unpunished as it didn't reverse meaning of the bible.

[The Sons of Adam]

Yes but your stuff includes yourself, that means you own yourself. That idea was not accepted until the late 19th century AD

What?! Ideas about property have changed over time? Perhaps they've changed again and owning massive amounts of land is no longer accepted as a right.

Owning land in general is a right, sanctioned by the constitution. I don't think anyone has a problem with having large swaths of land, especially if used responsibly.

[Archeuland and Baughistan]

Take it to another thread and I'll happily answer your question in detail. If you read my post, you can see that I already answered why sin exists.

For now, we are discussing the moral and Biblical nature of God-given rights, and whether or not they exist.

Trust me, you haven't.

Were you there, and paying attention, when I posted my reply?

[Benuty]

They get rooted out pretty quick. Like the evil bible saying "Thou Shalt Commit Adultery"

The printer got fined, with his building destroyed.

That one sort of defied the message while the parting of the Sears went around unpunished as it didn't reverse meaning of the bible.

If a Red Sear exists, then does a Blue?

[Communist Volkstrad]

If God is almighty and good at the same time, why are bad things here?

Answer: sin.

If you say freewill, I ask you, and why has God created the bad things?

Answer: sin.

If you say Satan, I will say, if he's almighty, why can't He beat him?

Answer: God can defeat Satan at any time with the snap of a finger. However, God is patient and does things according to a plan he has set in motion and will not ignore: God hasn't beaten Him yet because it is not yet Satan's time to be beaten.

If you say that humans were corrupted by Eva through sin, I would say, and why God has created us with a chance of corruption?

Answer: There is no chance of corruption or total righteousness: humans are sinful and corrupt by nature as a result of sin.

So, God can't be almighty and good at the same time.

Answer: Not so. As you are not God, you cannot dictate whether or not God is almighty and good at the same time. To be almighty is to be good. God freely judges and condemns evil and evil people; because he is a good, holy, and almighty God. Further, did you quote this from some other source?

The direct poem is this

Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him God?

I ask you this, how do we have "Free Will" if your God is omnipotent, omniscient and all that stuff? From the moment we're born, he already knows what we will do. And if he already knows what we will do, then it has already occurred down the time-line and that would mean fate, not free will. Meaning life is pointless, and he already knows what will happen, and is just damning souls for eternity for the fuck of it.If we can change the future with our free will, then he is not omniscient or omnipotent.

We're so off topic, we should get back into the subject rather than continue to talk about religion.

[Furry Alairia and Algeria]

Trust me, you haven't.

Were you there, and paying attention, when I posted my reply?

Yes, the one where you haven't answered a damn thing or just ignored everyone? Yes.

[Kelinfort]

We cannot see gluons and atoms either, yet secularists believe they exist. Why?

Atoms are observable, though.

However, it is possible to detect the presence of an atom. For example, there is a device known as an atomic force microscope which acts sort of like an old record player, scanning the surface of an object with a needle tip (a very very small tip).
There is also something called a scanning tunneling microscope, which uses tunneling currents (a quantum mechanical effect) to detect electron densities and therefore atoms (different atoms have different electron densities).

https://uk.answers.yahoo.com/question/i ... 924AAcubIF

"Observable" is not the same as sight. I can see my hands, but I cannot see, in the human sense, the atoms they contain. I suggest you reword your post.

[Otrenia]

What?! Ideas about property have changed over time? Perhaps they've changed again and owning massive amounts of land is no longer accepted as a right.

Owning land in general is a right, sanctioned by the constitution. I don't think anyone has a problem with having large swaths of land, especially if used responsibly.

Clearly some of us have a problem with it. Until the 13th amendment owning humans as property was protected as a right, you haven't refuted my argument.

[Jetan]

Trust me, you haven't.

Were you there, and paying attention, when I posted my reply?

You said nothing about why sin supposedly exists, you just used it as a dodge attempt.

[Kelinfort]

The same person who posted this thread supports curtailing rights for a deity.


That's just as bad as state socialism.

[Apparatchikstan]

No such thing as "God-given" rights. All rights are granted by humanity to humanity.

Also, when did God give one the "right" to private property? I went to Catholic school, and it seems my socialist-communist Catholic priest/catechism educator neglected to mention that.

God or no God, you were born with responsibilities.
I have the responsibility to feed myself, therefore I have the right to seek food, therefore I own the labor and fruits thereof, because I'm responsible for myself.
We are all born to the same condition, so no one has any right to dictate to another how best to fulfill their responsibilities to themselves or say at what point they are fulfilled.
In a benign community, association and charity are freely given.