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Should every female know how to use a gun and be armed with one?

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No, I don't want to get shot for being creepy.
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No, pacifist.
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No, guns should be banned.
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Postby Lingang » Tue Nov 04, 2014 1:14 pm

Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:Fire guns are absolutely unnecessary, pepper spray would do it for most problems.

That's what I'm saying, man!
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Postby Cetacea » Tue Nov 04, 2014 1:15 pm

Kalifati Arab shqiptar wrote:That brings the question:
"Should every man have a gun?"


Yes, because when everyone has a gun we will all be much safer - just like the old west

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Postby Snowiny » Tue Nov 04, 2014 1:15 pm

what am i looking at here exactly

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Postby Conserative Morality » Tue Nov 04, 2014 1:15 pm

T Roosevelt wrote:Every man and women should have a gun, it's a natural part of an American education.

1. There are plenty of people that should not be trusted with firearm ownership. Myself included (Though I do enjoy shooting them).

2. Not everyone wants a gun.

3. Long arms are more traditionally American than pistols.
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Postby Lingang » Tue Nov 04, 2014 1:15 pm

Nadkor wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:No, for the very compelling reason that it isn't effective and statistically backfires against them.


Not because it's a frankly ridiculous solution to a problem caused by men?

Men can't contain themselves and women may be threatened when they reject their 'advances'?

The answer isn't arming women. The answer is fixing whatever the fuck it is wrong with society that causes men to have so little respect for women that they believe that women owe them a fuck just because they said they had a nice smile or whatever and get angry and violent when it turns out that women have a different view of things.

I think the problem is that there's a good number of self-entitled assholes out there. That can go for both men and women.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Tue Nov 04, 2014 1:16 pm

Lingang wrote:I think the problem is that there's a good number of self-entitled assholes out there. That can go for both men and women.

More than that, there's a societal problem regarding a dehumanization of women, stripping them of agency and rationality in the views of... I wouldn't say the majority, but I'd say a non-marginal proportion of the population.
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Postby Nadkor » Tue Nov 04, 2014 1:17 pm

Lingang wrote:
Nadkor wrote:
Not because it's a frankly ridiculous solution to a problem caused by men?

Men can't contain themselves and women may be threatened when they reject their 'advances'?

The answer isn't arming women. The answer is fixing whatever the fuck it is wrong with society that causes men to have so little respect for women that they believe that women owe them a fuck just because they said they had a nice smile or whatever and get angry and violent when it turns out that women have a different view of things.

I think the problem is that there's a good number of self-entitled assholes out there. That can go for both men and women.


No, the problem is men and how society teaches men to view women as objects available for their pleasure for the price of a compliment.
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Postby Kernen » Tue Nov 04, 2014 1:17 pm

Seno Zhou Varada wrote:
WestRedMaple wrote:
Knives are generally inferior to firearms for self-defense. Successful self-defense relies on STOPPING an attacker, not killing them. Someone bleeding out after seriously harming or killing you is a failure. Stopping someone before they can do their damage is success

You don't know where I mean. These places will kill the attacker fast and leave them in tremedous amounts of pain. The back of the thighs there are arteries, same with the shoulders near the neck. Have general knowledge of arteries and where they go and bam they're dead or dying. And guns aren't good for overly close range aka point blank.


That's more then you need to deploy lethal force with a firearm: center of mass. Easier in a stressful situation.

A knife is equally hard to use in close quarters, though. You still have to draw it while under attack, and have to remember anatomy at the same time, by your explanation. I'll take a handgun every single time over a knife for self-defense.
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Postby Mavorpen » Tue Nov 04, 2014 1:17 pm

Nadkor wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:No, for the very compelling reason that it isn't effective and statistically backfires against them.


Not because it's a frankly ridiculous solution to a problem caused by men?

Men can't contain themselves and women may be threatened when they reject their 'advances'?

The answer isn't arming women. The answer is fixing whatever the fuck it is wrong with society that causes men to have so little respect for women that they believe that women owe them a fuck just because they said they had a nice smile or whatever and get angry and violent when it turns out that women have a different view of things.

Both are true. I was looking from more of the perspective of attacking this stupid notion that arming people is the most effective way of keeping them safe. Your reason is 100% correct as well.
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Postby Lingang » Tue Nov 04, 2014 1:19 pm

Nadkor wrote:
Lingang wrote:I think the problem is that there's a good number of self-entitled assholes out there. That can go for both men and women.


No, the problem is men and how society teaches men to view women as objects available for their pleasure for the price of a compliment.

So I view women as objects available for my pleasure for the price of a compliment?

I understand what you're saying, but you may want to word your thoughts more carefully. Someone could get offended, and that makes for poor arguments. And I'm sure you don't mean to offend, no?
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Postby Lingang » Tue Nov 04, 2014 1:20 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
Lingang wrote:I think the problem is that there's a good number of self-entitled assholes out there. That can go for both men and women.

More than that, there's a societal problem regarding a dehumanization of women, stripping them of agency and rationality in the views of... I wouldn't say the majority, but I'd say a non-marginal proportion of the population.

I agree with that as well. I see that around me, unfortunately. :(
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Postby Shilya » Tue Nov 04, 2014 1:20 pm

T Roosevelt wrote:This bring us to the question: Should every woman have a gun?

I think yes, because a woman can protect herself against sexual predators like the man who followed her for five minutes

Okay. What's, in your opinion, the adequate defense measure against someone walking the same way you do, for several minutes?

but I'm concerned with setting the precedent of a woman shooting some man over something not so bad like a greeting.

Or walking the same way they do.

I think men also should tip their hats or nod downward if they're going to compliment a woman. I believe anything else is creepy, what do you think?

I think that's downright ridicolous.

Should every woman know how to a use gun and be armed with one?

No.
But any woman who can handle the responsibility and will proplery (that is, not, unless there's an emercency) use it, sure.
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Postby Seno Zhou Varada » Tue Nov 04, 2014 1:21 pm

Kernen wrote:
Seno Zhou Varada wrote:You don't know where I mean. These places will kill the attacker fast and leave them in tremedous amounts of pain. The back of the thighs there are arteries, same with the shoulders near the neck. Have general knowledge of arteries and where they go and bam they're dead or dying. And guns aren't good for overly close range aka point blank.


That's more then you need to deploy lethal force with a firearm: center of mass. Easier in a stressful situation.

A knife is equally hard to use in close quarters, though. You still have to draw it while under attack, and have to remember anatomy at the same time, by your explanation. I'll take a handgun every single time over a knife for self-defense.

I do understand your point of view as a firearm does sound less stressful but in these sort of situations with my training a knife would be the most useful as I know how to use it and disarm one effectively.
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Postby WestRedMaple » Tue Nov 04, 2014 1:22 pm

Seno Zhou Varada wrote:
WestRedMaple wrote:
Knives are generally inferior to firearms for self-defense. Successful self-defense relies on STOPPING an attacker, not killing them. Someone bleeding out after seriously harming or killing you is a failure. Stopping someone before they can do their damage is success

You don't know where I mean. These places will kill the attacker fast and leave them in tremedous amounts of pain. The back of the thighs there are arteries, same with the shoulders near the neck. Have general knowledge of arteries and where they go and bam they're dead or dying. And guns aren't good for overly close range aka point blank.


You are mistaken. A wound meant to cause them to bleed out (which is what you claimed was the intent) leaves them adequate time to harm or kill you.

You are confused about the purpose of self-defense, even though I just pointed it out.

Once in actual physical contact, certainly a knife is a very valid choice. At any range beyond that, a firearm is more effective.

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Postby Spoder » Tue Nov 04, 2014 1:22 pm

Seno Zhou Varada wrote:
Kernen wrote:
That's more then you need to deploy lethal force with a firearm: center of mass. Easier in a stressful situation.

A knife is equally hard to use in close quarters, though. You still have to draw it while under attack, and have to remember anatomy at the same time, by your explanation. I'll take a handgun every single time over a knife for self-defense.

I do understand your point of view as a firearm does sound less stressful but in these sort of situations with my training a knife would be the most useful as I know how to use it and disarm one effectively.

Not true at all.

A gun will be faster and more deadly. The user's strength has little to no effect on the effectiveness of the firearm (recoil control is still a factor), and it is much easier to successively attack. A gun is also easier to use than a knife.
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Postby Kernen » Tue Nov 04, 2014 1:24 pm

Seno Zhou Varada wrote:
Kernen wrote:
That's more then you need to deploy lethal force with a firearm: center of mass. Easier in a stressful situation.

A knife is equally hard to use in close quarters, though. You still have to draw it while under attack, and have to remember anatomy at the same time, by your explanation. I'll take a handgun every single time over a knife for self-defense.

I do understand your point of view as a firearm does sound less stressful but in these sort of situations with my training a knife would be the most useful as I know how to use it and disarm one effectively.

And that's great. You should use what works for you. Just be mindful that what works for you won't work for the general population because they lack the same skills. I'm pretty handy at defending myself with 3 feet of rope, but I'd never suggest paracord replace guns ;)
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Postby Empire of Narnia » Tue Nov 04, 2014 1:24 pm

It shows the failure of our society and culture when a woman needs to carry a deadly weapon just to walk on public streets. More powerful police and re-education for subversives is what is needed, not armed civilians.

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Postby T Roosevelt » Tue Nov 04, 2014 1:25 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
T Roosevelt wrote:Every man and women should have a gun, it's a natural part of an American education.

1. There are plenty of people that should not be trusted with firearm ownership. Myself included (Though I do enjoy shooting them).

2. Not everyone wants a gun.

3. Long arms are more traditionally American than pistols.

1. Plenty of people can be taught how to use a gun.

2. I don't care what everyone wants.

3. Pistols are traditionally American, the men who lived out West used them all the time and disputes were settled with dueling. President of the United States Andrew Jackson won duels, dueling is American as a salute.
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Postby Chernoslavia » Tue Nov 04, 2014 1:25 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
T Roosevelt wrote:Every man and women should have a gun, it's a natural part of an American education.

1. There are plenty of people that should not be trusted with firearm ownership. Myself included (Though I do enjoy shooting them).

2. Not everyone wants a gun.

3. Long arms are more traditionally American than pistols.


1. Why yourself included?
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Postby Chernoslavia » Tue Nov 04, 2014 1:27 pm

Empire of Narnia wrote:It shows the failure of our society and culture when a woman needs to carry a deadly weapon just to walk on public streets. More powerful police and re-education for subversives is what is needed, not armed civilians.


police are already powerful enough. You can't place a cop at every street corner.
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Postby T Roosevelt » Tue Nov 04, 2014 1:27 pm

Chernoslavia wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:1. There are plenty of people that should not be trusted with firearm ownership. Myself included (Though I do enjoy shooting them).

2. Not everyone wants a gun.

3. Long arms are more traditionally American than pistols.


1. Why yourself included?

Stay on the topic.
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Postby Kernen » Tue Nov 04, 2014 1:28 pm

T Roosevelt wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:1. There are plenty of people that should not be trusted with firearm ownership. Myself included (Though I do enjoy shooting them).

2. Not everyone wants a gun.

3. Long arms are more traditionally American than pistols.

1. Plenty of people can be taught how to use a gun.

2. I don't care what everyone wants.

3. Pistols are traditionally American, the men who lived out West used them all the time and disputes were settled with dueling. President of the United States Andrew Jackson won duels, dueling is American as a salute.


The Soviets had salutes, too.
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Postby Seno Zhou Varada » Tue Nov 04, 2014 1:28 pm

WestRedMaple wrote:
Seno Zhou Varada wrote:You don't know where I mean. These places will kill the attacker fast and leave them in tremedous amounts of pain. The back of the thighs there are arteries, same with the shoulders near the neck. Have general knowledge of arteries and where they go and bam they're dead or dying. And guns aren't good for overly close range aka point blank.


You are mistaken. A wound meant to cause them to bleed out (which is what you claimed was the intent) leaves them adequate time to harm or kill you.

You are confused about the purpose of self-defense, even though I just pointed it out.

Once in actual physical contact, certainly a knife is a very valid choice. At any range beyond that, a firearm is more effective.

Have you had 5 years of training with this? I have and the blood will gush causing them to die in seconds and to max minutes. Oh crap the internet tone I just made... though if I was at a couple feet range my preferable weapon would be a bo-staff as I'm also trained in it better than a knife. And I see the use for a gun but that's preferable 5 feet and further in my opinion and knowledge.
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Postby Spoder » Tue Nov 04, 2014 1:28 pm

T Roosevelt wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:1. There are plenty of people that should not be trusted with firearm ownership. Myself included (Though I do enjoy shooting them).

2. Not everyone wants a gun.

3. Long arms are more traditionally American than pistols.

1. Plenty of people can be taught how to use a gun.

2. I don't care what everyone wants.

3. Pistols are traditionally American, the men who lived out West used them all the time and disputes were settled with dueling. President of the United States Andrew Jackson won duels, dueling is American as a salute.

1. Yes, it doesn't mean they should use them.

2. That's authoritarianism

3. In the west, revolvers were quite popular. But the west was sparsely populated and long arms were much more common in the east.
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